CDC Open to USA cruise return this Summer

[mredandchis]

1 hour ago, KennyFla said:

Just announced:

Congresswoman Doris Matsui and U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal have sent a letter to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, urging her to strictly enforce recently issued safety guidance under the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) and immediately halt cruises if outbreaks occur onboard.

They lawmakers said the premature resumption of cruise ship operations could threaten public safety and increase the spread of the coronavirus,

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24792-u-s-politicians-urge-cdc-to-keep-cruise-industry-closed.html

 

This is now pure politics.

I would agree that a premature resumption of cruise ship operations could threaten public safety. It might, maybe, but could happen.  But there have been sailings around the world that haven't but then that could be just luck.  I wonder when resumption will not be 'premature"???

Edited April 15, 2021 by mredandchis

[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, KennyFla said:

 

This is now pure politics.

Tin foil hats vs scientists. Film at 11.

[DCGuy64]

Just now, mredandchis said:

I would agree that e premature resumption of cruise ship operations could threaten public safety. It might, maybe, but could happen.  But there have been sailings around the world that haven't but then that could be just luck.  I wonder when resumption will not be 'premature"???

Industry statistics show nearly 400,000 passengers sailing on cruise ships since last summer with no major outbreaks, just the odd case here and there, much lower than on land, BTW. Why isn't this enough for them? I can tell you this: the CDC may be ignoring that fact, but they'd sure as h*** bring it up if there WERE a major spread onboard.

https://cruising.org/en/news-and-research/press-room/2021/april/clia-issues-statement-reiterating-its-call-for-the-lifting-of-the-cdcs-conditional-sailing-order

[KennyFla]

3 minutes ago, mredandchis said:

I would agree that a premature resumption of cruise ship operations could threaten public safety. It might, maybe, but could happen.  But there have been sailings around the world that haven't but then that could be just luck.  I wonder when resumption will not be 'premature"???

 

Since last August?  That's a lot of luck.  MSC themselves will have 10 ships cruising by August 1.

[mredandchis]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

It beats rubbing elbows for control of an armrest. Lot of lemming meringue pie on the faces of tin foil hats today. 6 feet would be better. Driving your personal car less risky for covid but not safer than flying for getting there.

Look I agreed with you that 18 inches was good social distancing. 

[DCGuy64]

Just now, KennyFla said:

 

Since last August?  That's a lot of luck.  MSC themselves will have 10 ships cruising by August 1.

Yeah, and MSC still doesn't require proof of vaccination. Riddle me that. That's some luck, all those months and no doomsday scenario. It's almost like we shouldn't be scared to death anymore about cruising.

[KennyFla]

7 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

Well, the silver lining is this: if it's true that the pleas of Gov DeSantis and Florida's Senators to open up the cruising industry are doomed to fall on deaf ears (as many people on here have claimed), I guess Rep Matsui and Sen Blumenthal's efforts will similarly be in vain.

No, the media will run with their proposal.

[DCGuy64]

Just now, KennyFla said:

No, the media will run with their proposal.

Yeah, and if they DO respond (while ignoring those who want to open things up), we'll know it's pure politics.

[ontheweb]

24 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

Well, the silver lining is this: if it's true that the pleas of Gov DeSantis and Florida's Senators to open up the cruising industry are doomed to fall on deaf ears (as many people on here have claimed), I guess Rep Matsui and Sen Blumenthal's efforts will similarly be in vain.

The pleas by Governor DeSantis and proposed legislation by both Florida Senators and one of the Alaskan Senators were made by members of the party presently in the minority in both houses of congress. Representative Matsui and Senator Blumenthal are in the party presently in the majority. That makes a huge difference.

[harkinmr]

14 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

So much for miracles...

 

About 5,800 people who have been vaccinated against coronavirus have become infected anyway, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention tells CNN.

 

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died, the CDC said. It said 396 -- 7% -- of those who got infected after they were vaccinated required hospitalization.

No one ever said vaccines were 100% effective.  You didn't identify which vaccine was involved in the data, but it certainly looks like the number of infected, hospitalized and those who died are certainly well within the effectiveness percentages given by the vaccine producers.  There were bound to be break-through cases, and those will continue.  That is why we have to continue to take precautions for the time being.   It is certainly a "miracle" given the number of vaccines that have already been distributed and persons fully vaccinated.

[DCGuy64]

2 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

That makes a huge difference.

Huh? How? What does party affiliation or control, such as it is, have anything to do with whether the CDC responds? FYI the Senate is evenly divided and the Dems' control of the House is the smallest majority in modern history. They're already on thin ice.

[BlerkOne]

18 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said:

Yeah, and MSC still doesn't require proof of vaccination. Riddle me that. That's some luck, all those months and no doomsday scenario. It's almost like we shouldn't be scared to death anymore about cruising.

I wish someone would (someone must have) compare cruising of today with cruising pre-covid to show the masks including on the dance floor, the distancing, the company shore excursions, the dining, and all the people actually following simple instructions.  Oh, and Americans are NOT allowed. Riddle me that!

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/how-cruise-ships-are-sailing-again-during-coronavirus

 

 

[harkinmr]

2 hours ago, KennyFla said:

Just announced:

Congresswoman Doris Matsui and U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal have sent a letter to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, urging her to strictly enforce recently issued safety guidance under the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order (CSO) and immediately halt cruises if outbreaks occur onboard.

They lawmakers said the premature resumption of cruise ship operations could threaten public safety and increase the spread of the coronavirus,

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24792-u-s-politicians-urge-cdc-to-keep-cruise-industry-closed.html

 

This is now pure politics.

It was politics well before this letter was sent.  You need to read the letter.  Cruise Industry News' summary is misleading (as usual).  The Congresswoman and Senator's  response is a counter to calls for the elimination of the CSO and a full return to sailing without oversight.  Even the Republican Senators' legislation filed yesterday still acknowledges that HHS and the CDC have full authority to establish and enforce all protocols and regulations.

 

From the letter:

 

"This guidance outlines procedures and protocols that will allow resumption of cruise ship travel when it is safe to do so. Failing to adhere to this guidance could create unsafe conditions that jeopardize public health. Therefore, we believe it is a public health imperative that the CDC rigorously enforce the technical guidance under the CSO and take all necessary measures, including stopping cruise line operations as needed, if COVID-19 outbreaks happen aboard ships."

Edited April 15, 2021 by harkinmr

[logan25]

I ask you did we stop the operations of Congress when each and any member was diagnosed positive?  Yes, this is a very extreme statement.  I do not not consider it at all practical.

[BlerkOne]

9 minutes ago, logan25 said:

I ask you did we stop the operations of Congress when each and any member was diagnosed positive?  Yes, this is a very extreme statement.  I do not not consider it at all practical.

Ever hear of proxy voting?

[BlerkOne]

51 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

It was politics well before this letter was sent.

as usual.

 

There has been at least one committee meeting (chaired by a Democrat) where many things were discussed

 

https://www.travelagewest.com/Industry-Insight/Business-Features/Senate-Subcommittee-Tourism-Trade-and-Export-Promotion-Hearing

 

Edited April 15, 2021 by BlerkOne

[logan25]

4 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Ever hear of proxy voting?

Yes.  I’ve also heard of zoom.  Not always getting solid results from what I read.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, logan25 said:

Yes.  I’ve also heard of zoom.  Not always getting solid results from what I read.

In regards to Congress not having to show up in person to vote...

[Bigbob75]

While politicians and political jacks position for their next round of fundraising , slow gov agencies and central planners get their arms around the real world effects of the great number of vaccinations going in peoples arms .Cruising  will start soon  with them or without them . It will happen somewhere and within 3 months .

In the meantime get vaccinated, Florida is open ,beaches are world class, our water is clear blue , temps are great ,restaurants , bars are open , boating is open . Casino on water are open .

Use the parent company of this site , book a vacation, bring a your stimulus money and pretend you are on a 7 day port of call .

By the fishing Is great.

[logan25]

11 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

In regards to Congress not having to show up in person to vote...

Leave me with the illusion that Congress does more than simply vote, that they actually put in more working hours.

[BlerkOne]

I see Florida still has covid. Looks like a 7 day average of 5711 new cases daily and 132 deaths daily.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

2 hours ago, DCGuy64 said:

Huh? How? What does party affiliation or control, such as it is, have anything to do with whether the CDC responds? FYI the Senate is evenly divided and the Dems' control of the House is the smallest majority in modern history. They're already on thin ice.

 

What party is in power in (pick your branch) should not have an impact on the actions of the CDC or other such agencies within the government. Having said that, over the last few years there was a LOT of pressure applied and puppets put in place. 

 

No matter - it's all a screwed up mess and no reason or logic can be applied to allow us to see the future. It is, indeed, unwritten!

 

Tom

[Bigbob75]

Some people pull numbers from cnn or butt .. both are usually wrong.

some very very encouraging number from CDC on breakthrough infection.. so get vaccinated  , bring your stimulus and come on down..

Approximately 5,800 fully vaccinated Americans — out of 66 million who received the shots — still became infected with COVID-19, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data reported Thursday. The infections, dubbed breakthrough cases — or positive test results that occur at least two weeks after a person gets their final coronavirus vaccine dose — represents about 0.008 percent of Americans who are fully vaccinated, the Wall Street Journal reported. 

[TNcruising02]

5 hours ago, Bigbob75 said:

While politicians and political jacks position for their next round of fundraising , slow gov agencies and central planners get their arms around the real world effects of the great number of vaccinations going in peoples arms .Cruising  will start soon  with them or without them . It will happen somewhere and within 3 months .

In the meantime get vaccinated, Florida is open ,beaches are world class, our water is clear blue , temps are great ,restaurants , bars are open , boating is open . Casino on water are open .

Use the parent company of this site , book a vacation, bring a your stimulus money and pretend you are on a 7 day port of call .

By the fishing Is great.

We spent some time in Destin last October, then drove down a month ago and stayed near Orlando.  Now that we are fully vaccinated, we are flying out on Sunday for another Florida vacation.  We love Florida and its leadership.  A great state with a lot of fun things to do.

[BlerkOne]

4 hours ago, Bigbob75 said:

dose — represents about 0.008 percent of Americans who are fully vaccinated, the Wall Street Journal reported. 

It appears they truncated instead of rounded. I think 0.009 would be more correct, but the vaccines being used in the US are quite safe based on evidence to date. However what is thrown out is the belief that the vaccine protects 100% against serious cases, hospitalizations, and death. 374 (6%) of the cases required hospitalization and 74 (1+%) died. Currently unknown is how many others the 5800 may have infected.