***CDC Allows Celebrity Edge to Sail From Fort Lauderdale June 26***

[not-enough-cruising]

Just now, lakinapook said:

Sending someone to the cdc website isn't provising references, don't play dumb. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
 

why should I give up all these benefits, to accommodate the unvaccinated?

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, lakinapook said:

For a little perspective, prior to covid ships would sometimes have mass outbreaks of a wide variety of different illness. This fact didn't stop you before.

In my lifetime of 71 years, there has been no illness on board a cruise ship that qualifies as a pathogen that has caused a 100 year global pandemic.

[B113]

6 minutes ago, lakinapook said:

No Reply

 

Edited May 28, 2021 by B113

[lakinapook]

4 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
 

why should I give up all these benefits, to accommodate the unvaccinated?

coffeebean said that she had no chance of transmitting covid to anyone else based on cdc guidance. pardon me, perhaps I missed it, but I don't see where the cdc has made such a claim. They have guidelines certainly, but I see no guarantees.

[lakinapook]

8 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

In my lifetime of 71 years, there has been no illness on board a cruise ship that qualifies as a pathogen that has caused a 100 year global pandemic.

Oh sorry, I didn't realize you were 71. So I guess that means you know everything.

 

The point was your trip can end because of some other pathogen, it happened before covid. But I actually think you are actuvely trying to be contrary despite not having a valid point

Edited May 28, 2021 by lakinapook

[B113]

If I'm going to be required to wear a mask after I've had covid and been vaccinated then just refund my money and I well switch to a vaccinated cruise. They have been making interest off everyones money and we should be given an option. Don't throw anything at me at the last minute.

 

[lakinapook]

10 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

In my lifetime of 71 years, there has been no illness on board a cruise ship that qualifies as a pathogen that has caused a 100 year global pandemic.

Coffeebean, you are exhausting. 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

7 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
 

why should I give up all these benefits, to accommodate the unvaccinated?

 

Well there is a difference between unvaccinated and naturalized immunity. The facts show that the CDC is not giving any guidance whatsoever to those that have already had Covid. 

But anyway...ou don't have to accomodate anybody when talking bout a cruise. You have choices that you can make. Go on a cruise that offers fully vaxed ships. Go for it! 

[shutterbug63]

34 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Seriously? Is that what will be required of all passengers if there are un-vaxxed people on board? Masking outdoors too, even at the pool? Why in the world would anyone want THAT experience? Just to let kids cruise? Let them go to Disney World where at least they don't have to wear masks OUTDOORS anymore.

This  is what the CDC order says - if they meet the 95% threshhold - It's at the cruise line's discretion as to whether or not they require masks if passengers are 95% vaccinated.  I would think any given cruise Royal or otherwise could meet the 95% threshhold.  Pure speculation on my part, but maybe Royal is hedging their bets by doing test cruises so they're covered either way.

 

I just am curious to see how this all works out if you're required to show proof of vaccination to board a ship in Florida. 

 

"Fully Vaccinated Travelers

• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that—if they are fully vaccinated—they may gather or conduct activities outdoors, including engaging in extended meal service or beverage consumption, without wearing a mask.
• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise crew who are fully vaccinated that they do not have to wear a mask or maintain physical distance in areas of the ship that are inaccessible to passengers.
• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may designate areas as only accessible to fully vaccinated passengers and crew where masks and physical distancing are not required (e.g., casinos; bars; spas; entertainment venues; and dining areas, including self-serve buff"ets).
• For ships with at least 95% of crew and 95% of passengers fully vaccinated, cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that they do not have to wear a mask or maintain physical distance in any areas."

[coffeebean]

58 minutes ago, lakinapook said:

I'm going to have to ask for you to provide some references. I was kind enough to provide a link to the cdc database of covid deaths because I wanted to be sure you understood that your "plenty" of young dead people don't actually exist. So I am skeptical about the accuracy of your information as you have been wrong recently.

My use of the word "plenty" could mean 100 or 1000; it all depends on your definition of "plenty". One death of a young person is plenty for me if you get my drift.

 

Also, I would like to make clear that I reference the mRNA vaccines when I make my comments. I have not researched the J&J vaccine at all as myself, my husband and my entire family has been vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine.

 

This is the most recent reporting of data from the CDC..........

CDC - Science Brief

[lakinapook]

1 minute ago, coffeebean said:

My use of the word "plenty" could mean 100 or 1000; it all depends on your definition of "plenty". One death of a young person is plenty for me if you get my drift.

 

Also, I would like to make clear that I reference the mRNA vaccines when I make my comments. I have not researched the J&J vaccine at all as myself, my husband and my entire family has been vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine.

 

This is the most recent reporting of data from the CDC..........

CDC - Science Brief

coffeebean, girl, I am plumb wore out. In the interests of my family not starving, I am going to just leave this discussion where it is. I don't think that there is anything positive to be gained from further dissection of this topic, I actually think everything that could be said has been said. You have yourself a pleasant evening, maybe we will lock horns again elsewhere.

[not-enough-cruising]

14 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Well there is a difference between unvaccinated and naturalized immunity. The facts show that the CDC is not giving any guidance whatsoever to those that have already had Covid. 

But anyway...ou don't have to accomodate anybody when talking bout a cruise. You have choices that you can make. Go on a cruise that offers fully vaxed ships. Go for it! 

I am being discriminated against!

[Goodtime Cruizin]

32 minutes ago, Merion_Mom said:

Ron DeSantis Makes Cruise Ships Take Unvaccinated Passengers (nymag.com)

 

Sounds like a rag news headlines to me. No one, including DeSantis is MAKING anyone go on a cruise. That's the choice of the consumer.  Further, the people of Florida via election results, have elected a legislative body that has established a law forbidding any business to discriminate against the citizens of Florida based on covid vaccinations, of which, DeSantis has signed into law. The cruise industry and the CDC have more work to do.  

 

What do y'all think the over/under is on the number of days that cruisers continue to whine and complain about the law?  I say 90+ 

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, lakinapook said:

You are really not understanding my point.

I re-read your post that I responded to. What exactly is your point then? I thought I understood you to question if I feel protected by my vaccine and I also must understand that I will be among un-vaccinated people when I'm out and about in my life. I did address your comments or so I thought.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

1 minute ago, not-enough-cruising said:

I am being discriminated against!

 

Need a tissue? 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

13 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

My use of the word "plenty" could mean 100 or 1000; it all depends on your definition of "plenty". One death of a young person is plenty for me if you get my drift.

 

Also, I would like to make clear that I reference the mRNA vaccines when I make my comments. I have not researched the J&J vaccine at all as myself, my husband and my entire family has been vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine.

 

This is the most recent reporting of data from the CDC..........

CDC - Science Brief

 

The CDC is so far behind, their 'recent' is 60-90 days old news. 

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, lakinapook said:

Um, pot, I would like to introduce you to kettle.

I'm more into the science of this pandemic and I have done so much research of trusted reliable sites and news sources. I trust the CDC and I have always been very passionate about following the science and listening to the CDC guidelines. If this is considered closed minded, then I'm really stumped.

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, lakinapook said:

Coffeebean, you don't have the power to impact my mood. I have felt fabulous all day.  You can disagree til the cows come home girl.

It isn't about disagreement. It is all about the discussion and meeting of the minds. I relish the discussion.

[coffeebean]

52 minutes ago, Merion_Mom said:

Ron DeSantis Makes Cruise Ships Take Unvaccinated Passengers (nymag.com)

I am NOT proud to say I voted for this guy.

[LouChamp]

All this back and forth and sarcasm and nasty opinions is why I can afford to wait.  It is quite simply not worth it in my opinion.  For those that decide to go i wish you a safe and enjoyable vacation but i would wish people would be nice for a change.  This board used to be fun and enjoyable.

Sad. 

[coffeebean]

45 minutes ago, lakinapook said:

Yay

 

On another note, it say this topic is HOT, but really it is 90 percent Coffeebean and me.

Let me show you a feature I was shown on another forum.......

 

If you want to highlight in blue the name of a poster, all you have to do is type:

@

then SLOWLY type in the name of the poster and click on the poster's name.

Wha La. You have their user name in that highlighted blue bubble. Here, I'll do your user name......

@lakinapook

 

 

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, lakinapook said:

I'm not that young although it pains me to admit that.

I've already admitted I'm 71 and it doesn't pain me at all. You should be proud of the years you have racked up so far.

[coffeebean]

44 minutes ago, lakinapook said:

coffeebean said that she had no chance of transmitting covid to anyone else based on cdc guidance. pardon me, perhaps I missed it, but I don't see where the cdc has made such a claim. They have guidelines certainly, but I see no guarantees.

I didn't say "no chance". I said the chance is miniscule or very low risk. The risk is so low of a vaccinated person transmitting the virus that their new guidelines say that vaccinated people who do not have Covid symptoms, do not have to quarantine or get tested if they have been exposed to a KNOWN Covid positive person. The science data has shown the chance of vaccinated people being able to transmit the virus is extremely low, not impossible.

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, lakinapook said:

Oh sorry, I didn't realize you were 71. So I guess that means you know everything.

 

The point was your trip can end because of some other pathogen, it happened before covid. But I actually think you are actuvely trying to be contrary despite not having a valid point

Know everything? Oh my goodness, no. Being a senior never qualifies anyone to know everything. Sorry I came across that way. I just speak of things I have researched about and have listened to the TV expert doctors and such with their advice.

Edited May 28, 2021 by coffeebean

[coffeebean]

47 minutes ago, lakinapook said:

Coffeebean, you are exhausting. 

I'm old but I still have some life in me. 🙂