***CDC Allows Celebrity Edge to Sail From Fort Lauderdale June 26***

[coffeebean]

49 minutes ago, shutterbug63 said:

This  is what the CDC order says - if they meet the 95% threshhold - It's at the cruise line's discretion as to whether or not they require masks if passengers are 95% vaccinated.  I would think any given cruise Royal or otherwise could meet the 95% threshhold.  Pure speculation on my part, but maybe Royal is hedging their bets by doing test cruises so they're covered either way.

 

I just am curious to see how this all works out if you're required to show proof of vaccination to board a ship in Florida. 

 

"Fully Vaccinated Travelers

• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that—if they are fully vaccinated—they may gather or conduct activities outdoors, including engaging in extended meal service or beverage consumption, without wearing a mask.
• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise crew who are fully vaccinated that they do not have to wear a mask or maintain physical distance in areas of the ship that are inaccessible to passengers.
• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may designate areas as only accessible to fully vaccinated passengers and crew where masks and physical distancing are not required (e.g., casinos; bars; spas; entertainment venues; and dining areas, including self-serve buff"ets).
• For ships with at least 95% of crew and 95% of passengers fully vaccinated, cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that they do not have to wear a mask or maintain physical distance in any areas."

How will it be known if your specific cruise has reached a 95% threshold before embarkation? What I'm trying to say is.....what if I find out at embarkation that my cruise has not reached the 95% vaccination requirement? Now I'm told, AT  EMBARKATION, that masking and distancing must be adhered to on my cruise ship that I'm about to board. I'm vaccinated and I would not be happy to hear this at embarkation. Is this scenario possible? Am I reading those guideline for fully vaccinated passengers correctly?

[coffeebean]

47 minutes ago, lakinapook said:

coffeebean, girl, I am plumb wore out. In the interests of my family not starving, I am going to just leave this discussion where it is. I don't think that there is anything positive to be gained from further dissection of this topic, I actually think everything that could be said has been said. You have yourself a pleasant evening, maybe we will lock horns again elsewhere.

Enjoy your evening. Look forward to a discussion with you again.

[not-enough-cruising]

28 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

How will it be known if your specific cruise has reached a 95% threshold before embarkation? What I'm trying to say is.....what if I find out at embarkation that my cruise has not reached the 95% vaccination requirement? Now I'm told, AT  EMBARKATION, that masking and distancing must be adhered to on my cruise ship that I'm about to board. I'm vaccinated and I would not be happy to hear this at embarkation. Is this scenario possible? Am I reading those guideline for fully vaccinated passengers correctly?

You are reading them right. 

[BecciBoo]

2 hours ago, lakinapook said:

 as you have been wrong recently.

And some us feel the same about your information also,

[coffeebean]

40 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

You are reading them right. 

Oh my. All the more reason for hubby and me to only cruise on ships that have 100% vaccinated crew and passengers. I would imagine the cruise lines will advise all passengers when they book that their cruise may have to adhere to masking and distancing guidelines if they do not reach that 95% vaccinated requirement. Seems only fair so there won't be irate passengers at embarkation.

[ace2542]

1 hour ago, coffeebean said:

How will it be known if your specific cruise has reached a 95% threshold before embarkation? What I'm trying to say is.....what if I find out at embarkation that my cruise has not reached the 95% vaccination requirement? Now I'm told, AT  EMBARKATION, that masking and distancing must be adhered to on my cruise ship that I'm about to board. I'm vaccinated and I would not be happy to hear this at embarkation. Is this scenario possible? Am I reading those guideline for fully vaccinated passengers correctly?

You could not cancel because you don't want to wear the mask I don't think and especially not at the check in. If you want to walk away and not board the ship that is your choice. Though you may lose your bags.

[ace2542]

2 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Oh my. All the more reason for hubby and me to only cruise on ships that have 100% vaccinated crew and passengers. I would imagine the cruise lines will advise all passengers when they book that their cruise may have to adhere to masking and distancing guidelines if they do not reach that 95% vaccinated requirement. Seems only fair so there won't be irate passengers at embarkation.

The first two sentences seem to cancel each other out?

[CI66774]

CDC has no jurisdiction over the operation of state-owned ports. State and local authorities do and can deny a cruise ship use of the port. Cruise lines must comply with FL law.

[CI66774]

1 hour ago, coffeebean said:

I am NOT proud to say I voted for this guy.

I am.

[cscurlock]

1 minute ago, CI66774 said:

CDC has no jurisdiction over the operation of state-owned ports. State and local authorities do and can deny a cruise ship use of the port. Cruise lines must comply with FL law.

While that may be true its unfortunately not in the law as passed and would be met immediately with a lawsuit.  They can fine them that's what the law states.

[Blauelini]

4 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said:

No, not fully.  Only for 12 years and older.  If the unvaxed threshold surpasses 5%, this cruise will require a "test cruise" and masks will be required at all times when outside one's cabin.

Expect all RCCL cruises to be like this. Only Celebrity will use the 95% threshold of vaxxed passengers. People that are vaxxed really don't realize how utterly screwed up RCCL management is being. They are so desperate to have unvaxxed kids sail they will punish every adult on board with masks, limited capacity and social distancing. 

[Blauelini]

3 hours ago, CruiseBride926 said:

I will hopefully be sailing with my kids in September. My husband and I are fully vaxxed but my kids are still too young. If they’re able to by then we’ll be the first in line to get them but if not we’re still going. It’s been a really rough year for everybody not just child free adults and we all really need this vacation. After almost a year and a half of this they’re well trained on hygiene, distancing, and mask wearing. I’ve watched my daughter’s heart get broken too many times over this pandemic and I’m not going to cancel just because people don’t want her there. I’d probably feel differently if there weren’t other lines doing the 95% vax cruises but kids shouldn’t have to miss out when people who want vaccinated only cruises do have that option with other lines.

Just know most will be shunning you and your kids on board due to everyone knowing they are the only unvaxxed people on board. Not saying it to be negative,  just a dose of reality. 

[cscurlock]

1 minute ago, Blauelini said:

Expect all RCCL cruises to be like this. Only Celebrity will use the 95% threshold of vaxxed passengers. People that are vaxxed really don't realize how utterly screwed up RCCL management is being. They are so desperate to have unvaxxed kids sail they will punish every adult on board with masks, limited capacity and social distancing. 

I think once the rules are actually enforced on these cruises and or there is an outbreak you will see the reviews coming in about how bad the cruise was this will change things drastically.  They will have tracking bracelets that you have to have on all the time and if someone else gets infected and it detects you were near them you could be quarantined as well.  If you like wearing masks on your vacation and are willing to risk having the ship turned around then I think those people will be fine.  I do think they need to actually do these cruises but I suspect in the world of mobile phones and social media the pictures will really fly if people are observed flagrantly disregarding the rules.  Add to those pictures a return to port and that's game set match for the CDC.  I am also curious if they will let you back on the ship if you test positive on return to the ship on a foreign port.  

[cscurlock]

6 minutes ago, Blauelini said:

Just know most will be shunning you and your kids on board due to everyone knowing they are the only unvaxxed people on board. Not saying it to be negative,  just a dose of reality. 

Depends on if the ship actually meets the threshold.  If it does then in my opinion it doesn't matter. Because the ship will continue on since there is very little chance of vaccinated people of being severely infected in any way.

[coffeebean]

37 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

The first two sentences seem to cancel each other out?

You should read my response in the context of the post I was responding to. My response was in regards to the posted guidelines for vaccinated passengers.

[Sunshine3601]

1 hour ago, Blauelini said:

Expect all RCCL cruises to be like this. Only Celebrity will use the 95% threshold of vaxxed passengers. People that are vaxxed really don't realize how utterly screwed up RCCL management is being. They are so desperate to have unvaxxed kids sail they will punish every adult on board with masks, limited capacity and social distancing. 

I am curious, Does anyone know the facts on how many children under 12 that sail on any given ship in the summer months?   

  

The only time we have sailed in summer months is to Bermuda and we have not seen that many children onboard.    We usually sail the Caribbean in the winter months as it is our get away from the winter cold.    We see lots of children the first week or so of January but the rest of the month and February usually have less than 100 children.

 

It is really worth Royal doing these test cruises to allow children to cruise vs. waiting till later this year when children of all ages will be allowed to be vaccinated.    

[harkinmr]

4 hours ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Need a tissue? 

That is rich!  This from the guy that has been perpetually whining about the hateful discriminatory vaccinated people and the poor put upon unvaccinated folks. LOL!!!

[CruiseBride926]

2 hours ago, Blauelini said:

Just know most will be shunning you and your kids on board due to everyone knowing they are the only unvaxxed people on board. Not saying it to be negative,  just a dose of reality. 

I highly doubt that. The reason RC said they’re leaning toward test cruises is because of families so no my children won’t be the only unvaccinated people onboard. If their age group gets approval for the vaccine before we sail they’ll 100% get it but if not then they’ll go, wear a mask, and stay out of people’s personal space just as they’ve been taught to do this entire time. Not to mention we will have them tested in advance in addition to the one from Royal. Like I said previously other lines are sailing vaccine only and that’s the only reason I feel ok taking them because the people that don’t want to sail with children do have that option. And if Royal decides to go the same route then so be it and I’ll completely understand why but if it’s an option I’m able to take them we will 🤷‍♀️

[Goodtime Cruizin]

49 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

That is rich!  This from the guy that has been perpetually whining about the hateful discriminatory vaccinated people and the poor put upon unvaccinated folks. LOL!!!

 

If I thought that he was being discriminated, I'd be about him in a more serious fashion. The fact is he, you, & others wish to exclude others for the sole purpose of his personal pleasure.  All of you can easily do this on cruises that are actually being offered by RCG right now. 

 

Now... Mr. Hawker.... that's what's rich! 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

4 hours ago, coffeebean said:

How will it be known if your specific cruise has reached a 95% threshold before embarkation? What I'm trying to say is.....what if I find out at embarkation that my cruise has not reached the 95% vaccination requirement? Now I'm told, AT  EMBARKATION, that masking and distancing must be adhered to on my cruise ship that I'm about to board. I'm vaccinated and I would not be happy to hear this at embarkation. Is this scenario possible? Am I reading those guideline for fully vaccinated passengers correctly?

 

It sounds like the risk is too high for the reward you expect.  You probably should not go on a cruise if these rules and guidelines are as you describe. 

[not-enough-cruising]

3 hours ago, Blauelini said:

Expect all RCCL cruises to be like this. Only Celebrity will use the 95% threshold of vaxxed passengers. People that are vaxxed really don't realize how utterly screwed up RCCL management is being. They are so desperate to have unvaxxed kids sail they will punish every adult on board with masks, limited capacity and social distancing. 

Yes, until the kids return to school or the vaccine is approved for the next age group under 12.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

27 minutes ago, CruiseBride926 said:

I highly doubt that. The reason RC said they’re leaning toward test cruises is because of families so no my children won’t be the only unvaccinated people onboard. If their age group gets approval for the vaccine before we sail they’ll 100% get it but if not then they’ll go, wear a mask, and stay out of people’s personal space just as they’ve been taught to do this entire time. Not to mention we will have them tested in advance in addition to the one from Royal. Like I said previously other lines are sailing vaccine only and that’s the only reason I feel ok taking them because the people that don’t want to sail with children do have that option. And if Royal decides to go the same route then so be it and I’ll completely understand why but if it’s an option I’m able to take them we will 🤷‍♀️

 

You won't be shunned. Do not think for a moment that the snide remarks about kids and families by some posters are the reality of the real world. These are die hards that complain about everything.  In fact, there it's more likely that the ship will work hard to insure that families have a wonderful cruise vacation in an effort to show others that cruising is back.  

 

[Goodtime Cruizin]

5 hours ago, shutterbug63 said:

This  is what the CDC order says - if they meet the 95% threshhold - It's at the cruise line's discretion as to whether or not they require masks if passengers are 95% vaccinated.  I would think any given cruise Royal or otherwise could meet the 95% threshhold.  Pure speculation on my part, but maybe Royal is hedging their bets by doing test cruises so they're covered either way.

 

I just am curious to see how this all works out if you're required to show proof of vaccination to board a ship in Florida. 

 

"Fully Vaccinated Travelers

• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that—if they are fully vaccinated—they may gather or conduct activities outdoors, including engaging in extended meal service or beverage consumption, without wearing a mask.
• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise crew who are fully vaccinated that they do not have to wear a mask or maintain physical distance in areas of the ship that are inaccessible to passengers.
• Cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may designate areas as only accessible to fully vaccinated passengers and crew where masks and physical distancing are not required (e.g., casinos; bars; spas; entertainment venues; and dining areas, including self-serve buff"ets).
• For ships with at least 95% of crew and 95% of passengers fully vaccinated, cruise ship operators, at their discretion, may advise passengers and crew that they do not have to wear a mask or maintain physical distance in any areas."

 

This sounds like that the CDC is attempting to 'punish' the cruiselines and therefore ultimately the passengers in an effort to force or coherce passengers to abide by their wishing that everyone be vaccinated. It's a stroing arm tactic.  I give you as an example that MLB baseball teams have a level of 85%. Once the team hits that number, protocals change including the removal of masks. As a result, peer pressure sets in. They are expecting the same results for cruiselines. This is nothing but strong arm tactics by the feds. Thank God that the state of Florida sees this and placed into effect a law.  

[cscurlock]

6 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

This sounds like that the CDC is attempting to 'punish' the cruiselines and therefore ultimately the passengers in an effort to force or coherce passengers to abide by their wishing that everyone be vaccinated. It's a stroing arm tactic.  I give you as an example that MLB baseball teams have a level of 85%. Once the team hits that number, protocals change including the removal of masks. As a result, peer pressure sets in. They are expecting the same results for cruiselines. This is nothing but strong arm tactics by the feds. Thank God that the state of Florida sees this and placed into effect a law.  

Actually the CDC didn't release these guidelines just out of nowhere.  NCL didn't like the rules for unvaccinated cruises so requested the rules if a majority were vaccinated.  The CDC only provides rules based on what the cruise line requests.  CDC just gives the rules based on what the cruise lines plan on doing.  They have options, they can go unvaccinated and vaccinated.  Some are going the unvaccinated route so it seems to me everyone is getting what they want here.  I think people should have the choice and now they are getting that choice. 

[CruiseBride926]

21 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

You won't be shunned. Do not think for a moment that the snide remarks about kids and families by some posters are the reality of the real world. These are die hards that complain about everything.  In fact, there it's more likely that the ship will work hard to insure that families have a wonderful cruise vacation in an effort to show others that cruising is back.  

 

Thank you I really appreciate you saying that. We’ve been really cautious thus far and I really believe it can be done safely with basic precautionary measures that would be taken with or without kids on board. And I know it’s partially selfish but I tried (and eventually failed) and internet schooling a kindergartner so I can really use a few days with a drink package 😂