Rare JamieLogical Posted June 30, 2021 #151 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 hours ago, NikiPinkston said: NCL will be sailing the Encore to Alaska out of Seattle starting next month. All passengers will be100% vaccinated & I'll be among them in August! As far as I know, all ships from all lines sailing to Alaska this season are requiring 100% vaccination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #152 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 hours ago, NikiPinkston said: NCL will be sailing the Encore to Alaska out of Seattle starting next month. All passengers will be100% vaccinated & I'll be among them in August! Also Breakaway out of New York starting at the end of September. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted June 30, 2021 #153 Share Posted June 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, oteixeira said: Also Breakaway out of New York starting at the end of September. Yep! I am sailing on that one and I am confident NCL will have no problem enforcing their 100% vaccination policy out of NYC. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted June 30, 2021 #154 Share Posted June 30, 2021 2 hours ago, JamieLogical said: As far as I know, all ships from all lines sailing to Alaska this season are requiring 100% vaccination. Royal has their "Vaccinated as much as possible" rules which have already resulted in COVID-positive passengers on their ships. I am sticking to the NCL fully vaccinated cruises. Vaccination Requirement for Alaska Cruises Departing Seattle, Washington For sailings departing before August 1, 2021 all Royal Caribbean guests age 16 and older must present proof of COVID-19 vaccination, with the final dose of their vaccine administered at least 14 days before sailing. For sailings departing on or after August 1, 2021 the age requirement for vaccination will change from 16 to 12 years of age. We will continually evaluate these requirements and make updates as local public health standards evolve. Guests under the age of this requirement don’t need to be vaccinated and will receive a COVID-19 test before boarding. If a guest younger than the age requirement happens to be fully vaccinated, they should bring their original vaccination record card to board and should follow all vaccinated guest protocols while boarding and throughout their vacation. All crew onboard Ovation of the Seas and Serenade of the Seas will be fully vaccinated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted June 30, 2021 #155 Share Posted June 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, BirdTravels said: Royal has their "Vaccinated as much as possible" rules which have already resulted in COVID-positive passengers on their ships. I am sticking to the NCL fully vaccinated cruises. Vaccination Requirement for Alaska Cruises Departing Seattle, Washington For sailings departing before August 1, 2021 all Royal Caribbean guests age 16 and older must present proof of COVID-19 vaccination, with the final dose of their vaccine administered at least 14 days before sailing. For sailings departing on or after August 1, 2021 the age requirement for vaccination will change from 16 to 12 years of age. We will continually evaluate these requirements and make updates as local public health standards evolve. Guests under the age of this requirement don’t need to be vaccinated and will receive a COVID-19 test before boarding. If a guest younger than the age requirement happens to be fully vaccinated, they should bring their original vaccination record card to board and should follow all vaccinated guest protocols while boarding and throughout their vacation. All crew onboard Ovation of the Seas and Serenade of the Seas will be fully vaccinated. This is interesting. As I understand it, the State of Washington has mandated that all cruises out of Seattle be at least 95% vaccinated passengers. So I would assume that even RCI cannot go beyond the 5% cap for unvaccinated children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 30, 2021 #156 Share Posted June 30, 2021 16 hours ago, oteixeira said: You keep saying this, but why is it more tricky? Celebrity would have to turn away non-vaccinated passengers should they pass the 95% threshold. That is no different then NCL tuning away non-vaccinated passengers. Seems Florida was fine with Celebrity doing exactly this (they just didn't hit the threshold on cruise #1, but it doesn't mean they wont). I hope you are correct that NCL won’t have any issues. I seem to feel they will have issues because they leave no room at all for un-vaxxed. They must deny all un-vaxxed from boarding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #157 Share Posted June 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, coffeebean said: I hope you are correct that NCL won’t have any issues. I seem to feel they will have issues because they leave no room at all for un-vaxxed. They must deny all un-vaxxed from boarding. Yes, I believe I understand your reason for concern. My question specifically is how is this any different then Celebrity denying anyone that would put the 95% threshold out of wack. If that was an issue with the state, surely they would have never let them even try with the Edge. So basically I am saying the only difference in policy is a number, 95 versus 100. If that is the case, the number does not matter, what matters is if the policy was allowed by Florida, which it already has been. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganClark Posted June 30, 2021 #158 Share Posted June 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, oteixeira said: Yes, I believe I understand your reason for concern. My question specifically is how is this any different then Celebrity denying anyone that would put the 95% threshold out of wack. If that was an issue with the state, surely they would have never let them even try with the Edge. So basically I am saying the only difference in policy is a number, 95 versus 100. If that is the case, the number does not matter, what matters is if the policy was allowed by Florida, which it already has been. Well said. Btw, I like your new avatar. 😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted June 30, 2021 #159 Share Posted June 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, oteixeira said: Yes, I believe I understand your reason for concern. My question specifically is how is this any different then Celebrity denying anyone that would put the 95% threshold out of wack. If that was an issue with the state, surely they would have never let them even try with the Edge. So basically I am saying the only difference in policy is a number, 95 versus 100. If that is the case, the number does not matter, what matters is if the policy was allowed by Florida, which it already has been. I think the difference is that if Celebrity were to deny someone boarding because they were over the 5% threshold, they could say they are denying them service due to "capacity limitations" rather than denying them service due to their vaccination status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #160 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, JamieLogical said: I think the difference is that if Celebrity were to deny someone boarding because they were over the 5% threshold, they could say they are denying them service due to "capacity limitations" rather than denying them service due to their vaccination status. I am not sure how they can make that argument with ships that are only 33% full sailing out. If they were mandated by the CDC to 33% and they were over it, that would be different, but to this day I have no seen any hard numbers of what percentage the ships are at capacity at (percentage wise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare JamieLogical Posted June 30, 2021 #161 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, oteixeira said: I am not sure how they can make that argument with ships that are only 33% full sailing out. If they were mandated by the CDC to 33% and they were over it, that would be different, but to this day I have no seen any hard numbers of what percentage the ships are at capacity at (percentage wise). I'm not saying it would hold up in a court of law, I am just saying that allowing for up to 5% unvaccinated demonstrates that Celebrity is not turning away people SOLELY based on vaccination status. They are providing service to unvaccinated passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #162 Share Posted June 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, JamieLogical said: I'm not saying it would hold up in a court of law, I am just saying that allowing for up to 5% unvaccinated demonstrates that Celebrity is not turning away people SOLELY based on vaccination status. They are providing service to unvaccinated passengers. I disagree. If you are part of the 6th percent of people trying to get on as unvaccinated they will turn you away, based solely on your vaccination status, correct? That is the point I am trying to make. Same policy, different percentage, that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted June 30, 2021 #163 Share Posted June 30, 2021 19 hours ago, coffeebean said: This is not a "scheme" anyone on this forum has devised. Celebrity made it work for them, sailing with 99% vaxxed passengers in the very first cruise to sail from the US out of FLL. It CAN be done but.....the 100% vaxxed passengers that NCL is planning on is going to be very tricky. You are aware that Edge sailed at approximately 37% capacity? How is that making "it work"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted June 30, 2021 #164 Share Posted June 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, oteixeira said: I am not sure how they can make that argument with ships that are only 33% full sailing out. If they were mandated by the CDC to 33% and they were over it, that would be different, but to this day I have no seen any hard numbers of what percentage the ships are at capacity at (percentage wise). According to Brian Abel, Senior Vice President of Hotel Operations for Celebrity Cruises, the June 26 Celebrity Edge cruise is sailing with "95% of our guests fully vaccinated, almost a 100% vaccinated crew, and only a 37% load factor, around 1,200 passengers on a ship that normally carries just over 3,000 passengers." https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/celebrity-edge-cruise-passengers-launch-florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #165 Share Posted June 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: According to Brian Abel, Senior Vice President of Hotel Operations for Celebrity Cruises, the June 26 Celebrity Edge cruise is sailing with "95% of our guests fully vaccinated, almost a 100% vaccinated crew, and only a 37% load factor, around 1,200 passengers on a ship that normally carries just over 3,000 passengers." https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/celebrity-edge-cruise-passengers-launch-florida Sorry I was 4% off on my numbers, but my statement still stands, just mentally sub in 37 where I said 33. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare graphicguy Posted June 30, 2021 #166 Share Posted June 30, 2021 32 minutes ago, oteixeira said: I disagree. If you are part of the 6th percent of people trying to get on as unvaccinated they will turn you away, based solely on your vaccination status, correct? That is the point I am trying to make. Same policy, different percentage, that is it. This will be just like taking a flight on a major carrier. They can make the capacity rule, just like on a flight. If, for example, Delta says I can't have a first class seat (even though there are some available) because I'm on an economy fare, then that's their prerogative. On Celebrity, NCL, Royal or any of the other cruise lines who are sailing at their defined capacity, 90%-100% vaccinated, (which is any number they deem necessary), they can deny boarding to any unvaccinated passenger because of their capacity limit. I don't see that changing in 2021. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganClark Posted June 30, 2021 #167 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, MorganClark said: Well said. Btw, I like your new avatar. 😉 I like your new avatar as well, @CptAleSpill. Looks like crude oil in a glass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #168 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, MorganClark said: Well said. Btw, I like your new avatar. 😉 Thanks, the avatar is a photo I took last week in Kill Devil Hills NC (the OBX). We had a great time, wish it was a cruise but that will happen for us soon enough! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #169 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 minute ago, graphicguy said: This will be just like taking a flight on a major carrier. They can make the capacity rule, just like on a flight. If, for example, Delta says I can't have a first class seat (even though there are some available) because I'm on an economy fare, then that's their prerogative. On Celebrity, NCL, Royal or any of the other cruise lines who are sailing at their defined capacity, 90%-100% vaccinated, (which is any number they deem necessary), they can deny boarding to any unvaccinated passenger because of their capacity limit. I don't see that changing in 2021. Yes, I believe we are agreeing here, the number doesn't matter. Deny at 20%, 95%, or 100%, the policy is the same so the law is the same (if Florida deems it broke or not). I am in total agreement with you. Based on this 100% vaccinated is no less legal then 95%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganClark Posted June 30, 2021 #170 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, oteixeira said: Thanks, the avatar is a photo I took last week in Kill Devil Hills NC (the OBX). We had a great time, wish it was a cruise but that will happen for us soon enough! I remember Kill Devil Hills. Outer Banks, right? We used to drive down to the OBs from northern Virginia when I worked in D.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oteixeira Posted June 30, 2021 #171 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, MorganClark said: I remember Kill Devil Hills. Outer Banks, right? We used to drive down to the OBs from northern Virginia when I worked in D.C. Yup, we were in a home on the ocean less then a 1/4 mile from the Wright Bros National Memorial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 30, 2021 #172 Share Posted June 30, 2021 1 hour ago, JamieLogical said: I think the difference is that if Celebrity were to deny someone boarding because they were over the 5% threshold, they could say they are denying them service due to "capacity limitations" rather than denying them service due to their vaccination status. I guess this is what I've been trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted June 30, 2021 #173 Share Posted June 30, 2021 41 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: You are aware that Edge sailed at approximately 37% capacity? How is that making "it work"? My reference to "making it work" was in regards to Celebrity sailing with 99% vaxxed on board out of FLL in Florida. Celebrity verified every single one of the vaxxed passengers proof of vaccine. They made their "work around" the Florida law work. Maybe I didn't make myself clear so I apologize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan275 Posted June 30, 2021 #174 Share Posted June 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, coffeebean said: My reference to "making it work" was in regards to Celebrity sailing with 99% vaxxed on board out of FLL in Florida. Celebrity verified every single one of the vaxxed passengers proof of vaccine. They made their "work around" the Florida law work. Maybe I didn't make myself clear so I apologize. I'm not so sure that what works when the ship is at 37% capacity will work at 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PTC DAWG Posted June 30, 2021 #175 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RocketMan275 said: I'm not so sure that what works when the ship is at 37% capacity will work at 100%. Things are changing too quick to worry about it.. BTW, are you booked in a cruise soon? Edited June 30, 2021 by PTC DAWG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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