Rare Tom-n-Cheryl Posted July 1, 2021 #26 Share Posted July 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, kleibo said: I understand he said he would have been fine if he travelled yesterday, but is there any documentation to support that. I only see the old proclamations. Yet another example of why it's important to travel early for your cruise - in order to take into account travel delays... lol Tom 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanpatricksmom Posted July 1, 2021 #27 Share Posted July 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, kleibo said: He was probably going with this one: (viii) any noncitizen traveling as a nonimmigrant pursuant to a C-1, D, or C-1/D nonimmigrant visa as a crewmember or any noncitizen otherwise traveling to the United States as air or sea crew; https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/25/proclamation-on-the-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-non-immigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease/ Not a lawyer and don't play one on tv, but I read those visas as only applicable to commercial vessels, and those by definition carry cargo. I'm not sure that cruise ships fall into that category. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeyVictoria Posted July 1, 2021 #28 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Just now, ladylyn915 said: Is the Horizon's 7/3 itinerary the same as 7/18? If so, Horizon's first stop is Amber Cove, couldn't he fly to DR and get on ship there? And, get off again in Bimini? Not ideal, but could be a work around. His eyes were so sad during his live. I feel terrible for him. FAQs posted on another thread this morning stated that guests who missed the embarkation port would not be permitted to join the cruise at another port and would receive no compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pe4all Posted July 1, 2021 #29 Share Posted July 1, 2021 What a shame - for him, and for those who were looking forward to cruising with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kleibo Posted July 1, 2021 #30 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, ryanpatricksmom said: Not a lawyer and don't play one on tv, but I read those visas as only applicable to commercial vessels, and those by definition carry cargo. I'm not sure that cruise ships fall into that category. Yes, another reason he should have known he would not be allowed in. Not sure where the mis-step was. That's why I'm looking for this "new" rule that came out yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted July 1, 2021 #31 Share Posted July 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, ZoeyVictoria said: Yesterday, while discussing whether he is required to wear a face mask, he stated that he would be on the ship as a guest, not a crew member. Then he would follow the travel restrictions for passengers. 9 minutes ago, ryanpatricksmom said: Not a lawyer and don't play one on tv, but I read those visas as only applicable to commercial vessels, and those by definition carry cargo. I'm not sure that cruise ships fall into that category. Cruise ships are commercial vessels, as they are engaged in commerce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balcony bound Posted July 1, 2021 #32 Share Posted July 1, 2021 They turned away everyone at the airport, it's not due to his status on the ship. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted July 1, 2021 #33 Share Posted July 1, 2021 41 minutes ago, ZoeyVictoria said: Yesterday, while discussing whether he is required to wear a face mask, he stated that he would be on the ship as a guest, not a crew member. 🤦♂️ He should have said he was part of the crew, an essential part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladylyn915 Posted July 1, 2021 #34 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ZoeyVictoria said: FAQs posted on another thread this morning stated that guests who missed the embarkation port would not be permitted to join the cruise at another port and would receive no compensation. But he is not a guest. he is an employee and employees get on and off at ports all the time - at least they did before the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyefrank100 Posted July 1, 2021 #35 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Cammyho said: It's pretty stupid that he can be vaccinated and have a negative test but still be denied. What a sham This whole thing's a sham! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRockCruiser Posted July 1, 2021 #36 Share Posted July 1, 2021 So from what I have read: He got refused entry because of the new rule, just hours old, concerning entry from the UK to the US due to the Delta variant. That's all, as far as I can see. If so, then everything else about vaccinated or not, crew member or not, is just obfuscating the root cause. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Cruiser Posted July 1, 2021 #37 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said: So from what I have read: He got refused entry because of the new rule, just hours old, concerning entry from the UK to the US due to the Delta variant. That's what I understood as well. He did a follow up video a short time ago and it sounded like everyone headed to the US was getting turned away. Edited July 1, 2021 by Lee Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balcony bound Posted July 1, 2021 #38 Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said: So from what I have read: He got refused entry because of the new rule, just hours old, concerning entry from the UK to the US due to the Delta variant. That's all, as far as I can see. If so, then everything else about vaccinated or not, crew member or not, is just obfuscating the root cause. Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BoozinCroozin Posted July 1, 2021 #39 Share Posted July 1, 2021 This is unfortunate, but in the end JH is not an essential worker. I have not heard nor have I kept up with requirements for flying to the US. The Delta variant is more contagious and worse for those that contract it. Current vaccines in the US, Moderna and Pfizer (still waiting on J&J), are extremely effective against Delta. Recent data from Australia shows it as well. If he was denied, I am hoping they are the same with everyone trying to fly to the US. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeyVictoria Posted July 1, 2021 #40 Share Posted July 1, 2021 42 minutes ago, ladylyn915 said: But he is not a guest. he is an employee and employees get on and off at ports all the time - at least they did before the pandemic. During yesterday morning’s video chat, he was asked if he would be wearing a mask. He explained that crew members are required to wear masks at all times, unlike guests. He stated that because he is cruising as a guest, he technically did not have to wear a mask; when he is interacting with guests, he would not wear it, but when he was in crew areas or otherwise interacting with crew members, he would wear it. It was stated very clearly that on that particular cruise, he was (would have been) sailing as a guest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyislandwilldo Posted July 1, 2021 #41 Share Posted July 1, 2021 sad, so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BoozinCroozin Posted July 1, 2021 #42 Share Posted July 1, 2021 I do feel sorry for JH. He is now experiencing exactly what CCL has done to the rest of us that have had to wait as long as possible for them to cancel. Maybe they can put a little be of compassion into their practices. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladylyn915 Posted July 1, 2021 #43 Share Posted July 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, ZoeyVictoria said: During yesterday morning’s video chat, he was asked if he would be wearing a mask. He explained that crew members are required to wear masks at all times, unlike guests. He stated that because he is cruising as a guest, he technically did not have to wear a mask; when he is interacting with guests, he would not wear it, but when he was in crew areas or otherwise interacting with crew members, he would wear it. It was stated very clearly that on that particular cruise, he was (would have been) sailing as a guest. Well then so much for my 'work around' thanks. Can't have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoeyVictoria Posted July 1, 2021 #44 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Just now, ladylyn915 said: Well then so much for my 'work around' thanks. Can't have it both ways. I know, joining the ship at a non-US port was my first thought, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tom-n-Cheryl Posted July 1, 2021 #45 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Yes, turn away a vaccinated individual because of concerns surrounding the Delta variant. When we already have plenty enough of that circulating around to spread amongst ourselves. The risk from him, or others in situations similar to his, is basically zero - or close enough to zero as to make little difference. Perhaps this stems from a lack of national, or in this case international, framework for proof of vaccinations. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare AtSeaWithChris Posted July 1, 2021 #46 Share Posted July 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: Yes, turn away a vaccinated individual because of concerns surrounding the Delta variant. When we already have plenty enough of that circulating around to spread amongst ourselves. The risk from him, or others in situations similar to his, is basically zero - or close enough to zero as to make little difference. Perhaps this stems from a lack of national, or in this case international, framework for proof of vaccinations. I think it stems from idiots that don't follow science. They make their suggestions and other idiots say yes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherCraig Posted July 1, 2021 #47 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Doesn't make any sense. Vaccinated - had the PCR test done - and no notice. We already have the Delta variant in every state. UK is seeing 3-4 deaths a day. I am thinking this is a political and health play to get more people in the UK vaccinated. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_e_short Posted July 1, 2021 #48 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said: Yes, turn away a vaccinated individual because of concerns surrounding the Delta variant. When we already have plenty enough of that circulating around to spread amongst ourselves. The risk from him, or others in situations similar to his, is basically zero - or close enough to zero as to make little difference. Perhaps this stems from a lack of national, or in this case international, framework for proof of vaccinations. From what I have seen and read this is going to be a big issue for the travel industry. Americans can easily get to U.S. ports and thus go cruising no problem. When you start adding in different countries it becomes a disaster. I agree that the Delta variant is dangerous and we need to be cautious but without consistent rules across numerous countires these situations will occur. We may be hearing of non Americans who booked the first cruises out of the U.S. and are also denied boarding. Edited July 1, 2021 by K_e_short 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRockCruiser Posted July 1, 2021 #49 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BrotherCraig said: Doesn't make any sense. Vaccinated - had the PCR test done - and no notice. We already have the Delta variant in every state. UK is seeing 3-4 deaths a day. I am thinking this is a political and health play to get more people in the UK vaccinated. Some countries have halted all travel from the UK due to the Delta variant (Hong Kong comes to mind), and European countries like Germany explicitly left the UK off the list of countries to be allowed to travel inbound. So this is the world reacting to the spread within the UK, not just the US. EDIT: it is unfortunate that Mr Heald and so many other were caught off guard, and I don't agree with this travel ban if the travelers are vaxxed and test negative, but I don't set immigration policy... Edited July 1, 2021 by ProgRockCruiser 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted July 1, 2021 #50 Share Posted July 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ZoeyVictoria said: During yesterday morning’s video chat, he was asked if he would be wearing a mask. He explained that crew members are required to wear masks at all times, unlike guests. He stated that because he is cruising as a guest, he technically did not have to wear a mask; when he is interacting with guests, he would not wear it, but when he was in crew areas or otherwise interacting with crew members, he would wear it. It was stated very clearly that on that particular cruise, he was (would have been) sailing as a guest. It would seem to me that he would be a combination passenger and crew member. A passenger would not normally be allowed in crew areas, mask or no mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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