dkjretired Posted April 9, 2022 #251 Share Posted April 9, 2022 14 hours ago, HskrCrsr said: Yes, you are correct. I dress for the chic/formal nights even when dining in Blu as do most (but not all) others that I see there. DW enjoys dressing up and getting the photos, so that's what we do. Depends on itinerary, we did Alaska and hardly anyone dressed up in Blu, Luminae or the Specialties. I also disagree that in those restaurants the majority wear chic. I have always been of the opinion that those on these boards in many cases write what they subconsciously want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted April 9, 2022 #252 Share Posted April 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, dkjretired said: Depends on itinerary, we did Alaska and hardly anyone dressed up in Blu, Luminae or the Specialties. I also disagree that in those restaurants the majority wear chic. I have always been of the opinion that those on these boards in many cases write what they subconsciously want to see. I want to see a young, male model, wearing a collared shirt, sitting across from me in the dining room. But husband may not appreciate it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDi Posted April 9, 2022 #253 Share Posted April 9, 2022 21 hours ago, zitsky said: This is the only pic I have of the one time I wore a dress. If that's not being who you wanna be, I'm not sure what is. Lovely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peteymil Posted April 9, 2022 #254 Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, dkjretired said: Depends on itinerary, we did Alaska and hardly anyone dressed up in Blu, Luminae or the Specialties. I also disagree that in those restaurants the majority wear chic. I have always been of the opinion that those on these boards in many cases write what they subconsciously want to see. You are 100% right.You are 100% right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny01 Posted April 9, 2022 #255 Share Posted April 9, 2022 4 hours ago, dkjretired said: …….I have always been of the opinion that those on these boards in many cases write what they subconsciously want to see. 4 hours ago, zitsky said: I want to see a young, male model, wearing a collared shirt, sitting across from me in the dining room. But husband may not appreciate it. I think these go together! And my wife wouldn’t allow me to type what I’d ‘want sitting across from me!’ den Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted April 9, 2022 #256 Share Posted April 9, 2022 47 minutes ago, Denny01 said: I think these go together! And my wife wouldn’t allow me to type what I’d ‘want sitting across from me!’ den Bo Derek? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy99 Posted April 9, 2022 #257 Share Posted April 9, 2022 8 hours ago, dkjretired said: Depends on itinerary, we did Alaska and hardly anyone dressed up in Blu, Luminae or the Specialties. I also disagree that in those restaurants the majority wear chic. I have always been of the opinion that those on these boards in many cases write what they subconsciously want to see. Agree regarding itinerary. However, writing what we subconsciously want to see? Please... if I wanted to write what I wanted to see, then I am quite capable of identifying what I want. We (since I assume we are all not simpletons) are also quite capable of reporting what we do in fact see. Nothing subconscious about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkjretired Posted April 9, 2022 #258 Share Posted April 9, 2022 50 minutes ago, Guppy99 said: Agree regarding itinerary. However, writing what we subconsciously want to see? Please... if I wanted to write what I wanted to see, then I am quite capable of identifying what I want. We (since I assume we are all not simpletons) are also quite capable of reporting what we do in fact see. Nothing subconscious about it. I don’t mean everyone of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HskrCrsr Posted April 9, 2022 #259 Share Posted April 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, dkjretired said: I don’t mean everyone of course. Although it was a direct response to my comment ... perhaps I am suspect? Hmmm. But in this specific case, I actually do tend to look around specifically to see how people are dressed, partly to assess whether I am over- or under-dressed on such nights. So I would like to think my observation about Blu dress habits is somewhat accurate, at least for the timeframe I was attending, and before the second pina colada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycey Posted April 10, 2022 #260 Share Posted April 10, 2022 On 4/8/2022 at 6:49 PM, Guppy99 said: It is a good idea to conform to all the rules, or not go. Rules are not suggestions for you to take or leave, otherwise they would be called suggestions. You always have the choice to not take a cruise or participate in an activity. Once you elect to do so, however, than you have basically promised that you would comply. Your first couple of sentences provide a reasonably accurate definition of what a rule is, but we're not talking about rules. Certainly Celebrity aren't. We're talking about a code, which is much more nuanced and subject to interpretation. It follows your last point can't be true either, thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDawg Posted April 10, 2022 #261 Share Posted April 10, 2022 This is from X's FAQ's section; "Smart Casual, Evening Chic is intended to be less dressy than Formal attire. Women should feel comfortable wearing: A cocktail dress Skirt, pants or designer jeans with an elegant top Men should feel comfortable wearing: Pants or designer jeans with a dress shirt, button-down shirt or sweater Optional sport coat or blazer Evening Chic means that you can get glamorous and be sophisticated in your own way. If you would like to still wear a tuxedo or formal gown on Evening Chic nights, you absolutely should. ... Smart Casual attire can be enjoyed every other night of your cruise. Women should feel comfortable wearing: Skirt, pants or jeans with a casual top Men should feel comfortable wearing: Pants or jeans with a short sleeve sport shirt. So what's the difference between ''designer jeans' and 'jeans'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_K Posted April 10, 2022 #262 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Boycey said: Your first couple of sentences provide a reasonably accurate definition of what a rule is, but we're not talking about rules. Certainly Celebrity aren't. We're talking about a code, which is much more nuanced and subject to interpretation. It follows your last point can't be true either, thankfully. A rose by any other name … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted April 10, 2022 #263 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, DirtyDawg said: This is from X's FAQ's section; "Smart Casual, Evening Chic is intended to be less dressy than Formal attire. Women should feel comfortable wearing: A cocktail dress Skirt, pants or designer jeans with an elegant top Men should feel comfortable wearing: Pants or designer jeans with a dress shirt, button-down shirt or sweater Optional sport coat or blazer Evening Chic means that you can get glamorous and be sophisticated in your own way. If you would like to still wear a tuxedo or formal gown on Evening Chic nights, you absolutely should. ... Smart Casual attire can be enjoyed every other night of your cruise. Women should feel comfortable wearing: Skirt, pants or jeans with a casual top Men should feel comfortable wearing: Pants or jeans with a short sleeve sport shirt. So what's the difference between ''designer jeans' and 'jeans'? Maybe designer are jeans with patterns or designs with studs or sparkles. And maybe even some fashionable tears here and there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinboy Posted April 10, 2022 #264 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, DirtyDawg said: So what's the difference between ''designer jeans' and 'jeans'? Easy--- The Price. Example : Roberto Cavalli jeans -- $ 1200 Pinboy jeans --- $ 39.99 Talking about jeans--You know those jeans with the tears down the front of the legs----- They were probably marketed after a manufacturer damaged 100's of yards of denim --- He had his staff and friends ( his wife wouldn't do it ) phone stores asking if they carried the " new " style of denim jeans-- etc, etc and soon the orders started coming in. That's Marketing ????? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo1953 Posted April 10, 2022 #265 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Just now, Pinboy said: Easy--- The Price. Example : Roberto Cavalli jeans -- $ 1200 Pinboy jeans --- $ 39.99 Talking about jeans--You know those jeans with the tears down the front of the legs----- They were probably marketed after a manufacturer damaged 100's of yards of denim --- He had his staff and friends ( his wife wouldn't do it ) phone stores asking if they carried the " new " style of denim jeans-- etc, etc and soon the orders started coming in. That's Marketing ????? Sounds like you have a new career in cruise fashion... LOL bon voyage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy99 Posted April 10, 2022 #266 Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Boycey said: Your first couple of sentences provide a reasonably accurate definition of what a rule is, but we're not talking about rules. Certainly Celebrity aren't. We're talking about a code, which is much more nuanced and subject to interpretation. It follows your last point can't be true either, thankfully. Actually a dress code is much more similar to a rule than you imply, but it does allow greater breadth of expression. We are talking clothes here, not uniforms. And therefore my last comment stands. If you agree to participate you agree to all that comes with, not a pick and choose menu. Further, if you have to rely on semantics, then you are ignoring the intent of the dress code. Yours, and others, is an effort to bend the code to what you want...not what is intended to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinboy Posted April 10, 2022 #267 Share Posted April 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bo1953 said: Sounds like you have a new career in cruise fashion... LOL bon voyage Off topic: Years ago I was a fashion buyer for a large chain department store and a supplier I knew did exactly that with some damaged goods ( not denim )--- ( Everything I mentioned re the staff and friends calling stores is the absolute truth, including that his wife wouldn't make any calls ). Back to topic: Is it " really " that hard to comply with the code, rules, suggested dress , whatever the hell you want to call it. You want to " stand out " and do your own " thing " ? What for--- Who are you " trying " to impress ? The Staff work so hard for us and what's the point of making their job more difficult ? It's guaranteed that most Staff members will not confront a passenger for fear of repercussion from Management. Let's all just do the " right " thing -- 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy99 Posted April 10, 2022 #268 Share Posted April 10, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Pinboy said: Easy--- The Price. Example : Roberto Cavalli jeans -- $ 1200 Pinboy jeans --- $ 39.99 Talking about jeans--You know those jeans with the tears down the front of the legs----- They were probably marketed after a manufacturer damaged 100's of yards of denim --- He had his staff and friends ( his wife wouldn't do it ) phone stores asking if they carried the " new " style of denim jeans-- etc, etc and soon the orders started coming in. That's Marketing ????? "designer jeans" hail back to Diane von Furstenburg (and other designers) coming out with a women's shaped jean instead of women forcing themselves into men's jeans. Then Levis came out with some many versions of jeans (and wrangler slower to follow) ...so the "designer "thing has become obsolete. It really means fits properly, is not ripped, etc. (A couple years ago it cost hundreds to get jeans that had built in dirt marks) I know all this because when I was in high school, they only made jeans for men/boys. When my daughter was a young teenager, she aboslutely knew that $100 jeans were so much better than $20 Levis. My arguments to the contrary fell on deaf ears. However, since she would then have to buy her own, she never did quite feel they were important enough to spend her own money on. Edited April 10, 2022 by Guppy99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhdhd Posted April 10, 2022 #269 Share Posted April 10, 2022 I guess if even Pinboy is spending $40 on jeans, my DH's $10 BassPro Shops jeans won't cut it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_K Posted April 10, 2022 #270 Share Posted April 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Guppy99 said: Actually a dress code is much more similar to a rule than you imply, but it does allow greater breadth of expression. We are talking clothes here, not uniforms. And therefore my last comment stands. If you agree to participate you agree to all that comes with, not a pick and choose menu. Further, if you have to rely on semantics, then you are ignoring the intent of the dress code. Yours, and others, is an effort to bend the code to what you want...not what is intended to accomplish. A rose by any other name … You all are arguing a distinction without a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zitsky Posted April 10, 2022 #271 Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mark_K said: A rose by any other name … You all are arguing a distinction without a difference. Take this all with tongue in cheek. Bo gets it. But I think there is a difference. Forget the tux. Could you see where one guy in a nice black tshirt jeans and loafers might get in the MDR but someone with their old 49ers shirt dirty jeans and white sneakers might get turned away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullyd Posted April 10, 2022 #272 Share Posted April 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, hrhdhd said: I guess if even Pinboy is spending $40 on jeans, my DH's $10 BassPro Shops jeans won't cut it. That’s what I’m wearing! Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinboy Posted April 10, 2022 #273 Share Posted April 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Guppy99 said: When my daughter was a young teenager, she aboslutely knew that $100 jeans were so much better than $20 Levis. LOL--- ( Been there ) And, You know who told her ??? The 18 yr old student working part time at his/her first job that sold it to her !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy99 Posted April 10, 2022 #274 Share Posted April 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, Mark_K said: A rose by any other name … You all are arguing a distinction without a difference. No not really. You simply aren't getting the finer points of the discussion then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy99 Posted April 10, 2022 #275 Share Posted April 10, 2022 So, I just want to mention one thing that we all know but never talk about. Take the same pair of Levi jeans and put them on both a 30 yr old trim fellow with a nice little butt and a 65 yr old man who shows the signs of living a good life.... and guess what? Not the same ...at all. So, given Celebrity's clientele, you don't see many jeans in any evening dining venue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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