cltnccruisers Posted February 27, 2020 #1801 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, AlanF65 said: I believe at some point the step father was criminally charged, not sure what came of that but that's probably the criminal matter. Actually, the step grandfather who dropped her was charge with negligent homicide - in October, I think. He decided to take a plea deal earlier this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltnccruisers Posted February 27, 2020 #1802 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, coffeebean said: Anyone can open the windows at any time. The handle can sometimes be difficult to manage because they can be stiff, but anyone with a strength can open those windows. Didn't know that. Wrong twice today - I need a drink. 🍻 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted February 27, 2020 #1803 Share Posted February 27, 2020 39 minutes ago, cltnccruisers said: There are areas along the sides of the pool deck that are under cover. I forget if above is a track or another level of deck chairs. I can see how that could get a bit oppressive. Maybe that's what coffeebean was referring to. Yes, it is what I was referring to. One side of that deck is smoking also. I can imagine what that would like with no cross ventilation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted February 27, 2020 #1804 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, cltnccruisers said: Didn't know that. Wrong twice today - I need a drink. 🍻 I'll join you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNcruising02 Posted February 27, 2020 #1805 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) This was Royal's response back when the Wiegands wanted to strike the video footage:https://www.docdroid.net/Y9gah8J/rc-response-to-motion-to-strike-video.pdf and 2/26/20: https://www.docdroid.net/9xdhHwI/reponse-to-amended-motion-to-dismiss.pdf Edited February 27, 2020 by TNcruising02 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltnccruisers Posted February 27, 2020 #1806 Share Posted February 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said: This was Royal's response back when the Wiegands wanted to strike the video footage:https://www.docdroid.net/Y9gah8J/rc-response-to-motion-to-strike-video.pdf That fits with what I've read Winkleman's SOP. J`accuse, J`accuse, J`accuse to create enough bad press to make 'em settle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted February 27, 2020 #1807 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, S.A.M.J.R. said: Why? Picture the Boardwalk area of an Oasis class ship... open to above and the rear, but 6-7 stories of cabins on each side. When the ship is moving, you're not going to get airflow from the back. So where's it's ventilation? Don't get me wrong, I like the open windows and don't think they need to be closed. But if the court says those windows need to close, RCI will close the windows and people will continue to cruise. The court can’t order the windows closed, these things are dictated by an international maritime authority. SOLAS has already determined that these windows are SAFE 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted February 27, 2020 #1808 Share Posted February 27, 2020 58 minutes ago, coffeebean said: Yes, it is what I was referring to. One side of that deck is smoking also. I can imagine what that would like with no cross ventilation. I believe it's called the casino. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare S.A.M.J.R. Posted February 27, 2020 #1809 Share Posted February 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said: The court can’t order the windows closed, these things are dictated by an international maritime authority. SOLAS has already determined that these windows are SAFE Fine. I'll rephrase... the court holds RCI liable for Chloe's death and the (RCI) lawyers say "close the windows". Guess what, the windows will be closed and people will continue to cruise. It won't be the "end cruising as we know it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry Eyes Posted February 27, 2020 #1810 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, S.A.M.J.R. said: Fine. I'll rephrase... the court holds RCI liable for Chloe's death and the (RCI) lawyers say "close the windows". Guess what, the windows will be closed and people will continue to cruise. It won't be the "end cruising as we know it". Sure, but couldn’t a similar accident happen on a balcony? In fact, haven’t more people gone over balcony rails than out those windows (only one window case ever, I believe)? Perhaps Chloe’s parents (or somebody like minded) might feel need to protect all of us from dangerous balconies next by enclosing those, too? Where does it end? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNcruising02 Posted February 27, 2020 #1811 Share Posted February 27, 2020 The parents' attorney goes on about how it was a wall of glass and there was no indication that there were windows that opened. There were no decals or warnings. They submitted a picture from far away to boost their claim. The thing is, Anello was at the railing, not across the deck. It's ridiculous reading their attorney's claims. What a joke. The parents should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their attorney to mislead and make knowingly false claims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare S.A.M.J.R. Posted February 27, 2020 #1812 Share Posted February 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, Starry Eyes said: Sure, but couldn’t a similar accident happen on a balcony? In fact, haven’t more people gone over balcony rails than out those windows (only one window case ever, I believe)? Perhaps Chloe’s parents (or somebody like minded) might feel need to protect all of us from dangerous balconies next by enclosing those, too? Where does it end? Totally agree with you. All I'm saying is if RCI decides for whatever reason that the windows need to be closed, the windows will be closed. And people will still cruise on those ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgestang Posted February 27, 2020 #1813 Share Posted February 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, S.A.M.J.R. said: Totally agree with you. All I'm saying is if RCI decides for whatever reason that the windows need to be closed, the windows will be closed. And people will still cruise on those ships. And the other point being made is that if RC is held LIABLE for an idiots ability to be an idiot and drop a baby out a window....then they would also have to worry about being held liable for an idiots ability to idiotically drop themselves of a ship in all those unsafe areas of the ship where an adult can so easily climb over a railing.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATC cruiser Posted February 27, 2020 Author #1814 Share Posted February 27, 2020 They’ll just put up a sign that says “Warning—-hanging your child out the window could be dangerous”. Then they’ll have to translate it into 18 different languages 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Wheels Only Posted February 28, 2020 #1815 Share Posted February 28, 2020 53 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said: The parents' attorney goes on about how it was a wall of glass and there was no indication that there were windows that opened. There were no decals or warnings. They submitted a picture from far away to boost their claim. The thing is, Anello was at the railing, not across the deck. It's ridiculous reading their attorney's claims. What a joke. The parents should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their attorney to mislead and make knowingly false claims. You can see on the surveillance video that other windows were open at the time of the incident. You can also see the gentleman in the hat leaning over/looking out of the exact railing/window before Anello did the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltnccruisers Posted February 28, 2020 #1816 Share Posted February 28, 2020 2 hours ago, time4u2go said: I believe it's called the casino. Our biggest complaint about Freedom is the smoke from the casino seems to find its way up the spiral staircase to the promenade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cltnccruisers Posted February 28, 2020 #1817 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, TNcruising02 said: The parents' attorney goes on about how it was a wall of glass and there was no indication that there were windows that opened. There were no decals or warnings. They submitted a picture from far away to boost their claim. The thing is, Anello was at the railing, not across the deck. It's ridiculous reading their attorney's claims. What a joke. The parents should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their attorney to mislead and make knowingly false claims. It's Winkleman's SOP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted February 28, 2020 #1818 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, TNcruising02 said: The parents' attorney goes on about how it was a wall of glass and there was no indication that there were windows that opened. There were no decals or warnings. They submitted a picture from far away to boost their claim. The thing is, Anello was at the railing, not across the deck. It's ridiculous reading their attorney's claims. What a joke. The parents should be ashamed of themselves for allowing their attorney to mislead and make knowingly false claims. What about the big handles on the windows? What are the handles for? Honestly, the attorney doesn't seem very bright. Edited February 28, 2020 by coffeebean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNcruising02 Posted February 28, 2020 #1819 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, coffeebean said: What about the big handles on the windows? What are the handles for? Honestly, the attorney doesn't seem very bright. He is refusing to call it a window in the lawsuit and refers to it as a wall of glass. Royal will easily be able to discredit him should this go to trial. Anello leaned out the window. This entire lawsuit is bogus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted February 28, 2020 #1820 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 minute ago, TNcruising02 said: He is refusing to call it a window in the lawsuit and refers to it as a wall of glass. Royal will easily be able to discredit him should this go to trial. Anello leaned out the window. This entire lawsuit is bogus. The attorney is ridiculous. His case will be punched full of holes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixCruiser Posted February 28, 2020 #1821 Share Posted February 28, 2020 The attorney is ridiculous. His case will be punched full of holes.I certainly hope soSent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare brillohead Posted February 28, 2020 #1822 Share Posted February 28, 2020 14 hours ago, trey420 said: Something I wonder, is that window still open, or permanently sealed? It was open after the incident, but will likely be part of the "amping" renovations in drydock and become part of the "Lime and Coconut Bar". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare brillohead Posted February 28, 2020 #1823 Share Posted February 28, 2020 10 hours ago, TNcruising02 said: Also, this is interesting. I wonder what separate criminal matter they are referring to. "Defendant's motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim references several extrinsic sources of information, including a surveillance video, a statement made by a nonparty as to a separate criminal matter..." Page 4https://www.docdroid.net/QDQQ4zh/court-order-2-6-20.pdf#page=4 This is from the parents' case against Royal, referring to Anello's criminal case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRMO12HD Posted February 28, 2020 #1824 Share Posted February 28, 2020 I wonder if anyone else has noticed the wording in the original document or in the response; it's referring to the distance from the kids' play area to the window as 'mere feet' -- as in "none of the glass panes, which were mere feet from the kids’ H2O Zone, contained a warning, design decal on the glass, or anything to warn passengers,such as Mr. Anello, of the hidden danger that some of the glass pane windows in the middle row may be slid open." To me, 'mere' refers to a few -- as in 3-4, not 30 to 40. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted February 28, 2020 #1825 Share Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, dodgestang said: And the other point being made is that if RC is held LIABLE for an idiots ability to be an idiot and drop a baby out a window....then they would also have to worry about being held liable for an idiots ability to idiotically drop themselves of a ship in all those unsafe areas of the ship where an adult can so easily climb over a railing.... What if all ships were made adult only because of Anellos actions and the family succeeding in wrongly sueing RCI? Edited February 28, 2020 by grapau27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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