PRINCESS SHIPS & CORONA VIRUS

[JennAngel9]

Just now, PescadoAmarillo said:

This is huge. CLIA is made up of the cruise lines themselves. Think about it...the cruise lines are asking the federal government to ban cruisers over 70 unless they have medical clearance to travel. Basically, the cruise lines are admitting they cannot keep their ships COVID-19 free and wish to prevent those people most at risk from boarding their ships. 
 

Wow. 

I'm just wondering what that over 70 note from the doctor would say-- I've consulted with my patient and they are prepared to die in quarantine if necessary to board your ship? 

70 seems high (I assume the cruises lines did the math and couldn't afford to cutoff at 65 or 60), but also a huge chunk of Americans have pre-existing conditions and complications they either don't know about or won't be honest about.

I love cruising and am in a low risk demo-- but both Diamond & Grand put a huge strain on local taxpayers and public health resources we are now needing on other fronts.  I would love to be able to cruise later this year but I don't think Florida/California/Alaska can handle more cruise ship incidents at the moment. If we just shut down the most obvious disease vectors now (this includes cruises but also air travel, trains, mass transit, conferences, Las Vegas casinos, etc.) before we start to look like northern Italy, there's a better chance we can avoid millions of Americans being hospitalized and/or dying here.

[caribill]

3 hours ago, bluesea321 said:

And unfortunately it gets worse, Canada is mulling barring all cruise ships which would effective stop the Alaska cruises.

 

"Most cruise ships do not fly U.S. flags.  Ships flying a non-U.S. flag must stop at a foreign port between U.S. stops, such as Mexico or Canada. If Canada is no longer a port option, ships effectively can’t get to Alaska from the U.S. without the standard stop in Vancouver."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/11/coronavirus-cruise-ships-us-ports-entry/5015856002/

 

Stopping and getting paperwork signed is all that is needed. Nobody needs to get off the ship.

[caribill]

3 hours ago, bluesea321 said:

"A proposal submitted to the White House Tuesday by CLIA, the leading cruise trade organization, would deny cruise boarding to any person over 70 unless they are able to present a doctor's note verifying their fitness for travel."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/11/proposal-white-house-cruise-industry-bar-people-70-ships/5020325002/

 

I wonder how close to the cruise the note must be dated.

 

If real close, it could be after the most lenient cancellation policies allow.

 

If not real close, it could be meaningless.

[bluesea321]

4 minutes ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

This is huge. CLIA is made up of the cruise lines themselves. Think about it...the cruise lines are asking the federal government to ban cruisers over 70 unless they have medical clearance to travel. Basically, the cruise lines are admitting they cannot keep their ships COVID-19 free and wish to prevent those people most at risk from boarding their ships. 
 

Wow. 

 

I posted this earlier today (page 80) and provided a link to a detailed article on USA Today.  And yes, it is huge.  There are few cruisers over 70 who would not have one of the listed issues.  HBP, even if under control, is on the list.  And to complicate matters, Medicare sent a blast email today advising anyone over 65 to "Defer all cruise ship travel worldwide" so go figure!!!  Sad days for the industry.

[caribill]

2 hours ago, Colo Cruiser said:

Like thats going to help.

249 people cant spread the virus?

 

It means one person can only spread it to 248 other people at that event.

[Colo Cruiser]

5 minutes ago, caribill said:

 

It means one person can only spread it to 248 other people at that event.

Rather than 1 or 2.    🙄

[Pedro2400]

First cruises out of Seattle CANCELLED

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2020/03/11/port-of-seattle-cancels-two-first-cruises.html

[nooptere]

Just now, Pedro2400 said:

First cruises out of Seattle CANCELLED

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2020/03/11/port-of-seattle-cancels-two-first-cruises.html

I bet these are the first of many. Too many problems here right now.

[rabin1]

21 minutes ago, JennAngel9 said:

I'm just wondering what that over 70 note from the doctor would say-- I've consulted with my patient and they are prepared to die in quarantine if necessary to board your ship? 

70 seems high (I assume the cruises lines did the math and couldn't afford to cutoff at 65 or 60), but also a huge chunk of Americans have pre-existing conditions and complications they either don't know about or won't be honest about.

I love cruising and am in a low risk demo-- but both Diamond & Grand put a huge strain on local taxpayers and public health resources we are now needing on other fronts.  I would love to be able to cruise later this year but I don't think Florida/California/Alaska can handle more cruise ship incidents at the moment. If we just shut down the most obvious disease vectors now (this includes cruises but also air travel, trains, mass transit, conferences, Las Vegas casinos, etc.) before we start to look like northern Italy, there's a better chance we can avoid millions of Americans being hospitalized and/or dying here.

I thought this was just a proposal and not a fact???

Kathy

[cruising deacon]

The Port of Seattle has canceled the first two cruises scheduled for this upcoming cruise season.  This closing involves Princess and Celebrity which were due to start in April.  If this doesn't get solved soon there will be more!

 

[PescadoAmarillo]

28 minutes ago, Lemonslikethefruit said:

That's exactly how I feel.   Just cancel cruises for 2-3 weeks and disinfect the ships, make sure now crew member is infected and start over.

And then one boarding passengers picks up the virus from a TSA agent or a greeter in the cruise terminal and the cycle starts all over again.

[capriccio]

2 minutes ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

And then one boarding passengers picks up the virus from a TSA agent or a greeter in the cruise terminal and the cycle starts all over again.

Or on the plane en route to the cruise...or unkowingly back home and has no symptoms while traveling...

[Steelers36]

7 minutes ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

And then one boarding passengers picks up the virus from a TSA agent or a greeter in the cruise terminal and the cycle starts all over again.

Yes, so to your earlier point, how can any cruise line, airline, etc, keep the virus from their environments?  Can't expect that IMO.  It's up to people to follow guidelines and try to stay healthy.  Or stay home.  

[caribill]

16 minutes ago, rabin1 said:

I thought this was just a proposal and not a fact???

Kathy

 

It was proposed today by the cruise industry in an attempt to show the government that they are proactive about stopping the virus and to stop a government enforced industry-wide shutdown.

 

No matter how meaningless this might be, government is not known for only doing things that are reasonable.

[caribill]

11 minutes ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

And then one boarding passengers picks up the virus from a TSA agent or a greeter in the cruise terminal and the cycle starts all over again.

 

Good point about TSA. Might as well require anyone aged 70 or older to present a doctor's note in order to get on an airplane.

[Debate]

Forgive me if this has been discussed before but I'm wondering why Princess hasn't contacted the folks who passed through the cruise terminal at Port Everglades while the infected port employees were in their terminal ?  Would they not contact other people on the boat if someone came down with with Coronavirus within 14 days of the end of their cruise?  Maybe not??  Maybe its spread so much now that they aren't tracing any longer?  

[PescadoAmarillo]

1 minute ago, Steelers36 said:

Yes, so to your earlier point, how can any cruise line, airline, etc, keep the virus from their environments?  Can't expect that IMO.  It's up to people to follow guidelines and try to stay healthy.  Or stay home.  

I agree. 
 

Anyone who thinks that people (and the media and the markets) are unnecessarily panicked about COVID-19 needs only to consider that Italy, a country where the largest single industry (about 12%) of its economy is tourism-related, has basically shut its doors.  Unnecessary travel, even within a city, is pretty much forbidden.
 

There is nothing unique about Italy that caused this virus to take hold there. It’s just a matter of timing. I don’t think it’s fear-mongering to say that, a month from now, whether or not a particular cruise might be cancelled may not be our biggest concern.  

[PescadoAmarillo]

2 minutes ago, Debate said:

Forgive me if this has been discussed before but I'm wondering why Princess hasn't contacted the folks who passed through the cruise terminal at Port Everglades while the infected port employees were in their terminal ?  Would they not contact other people on the boat if someone came down with with Coronavirus within 14 days of the end of their cruise?  Maybe not??  Maybe its spread so much now that they aren't tracing any longer?  

I was thinking the same thing. With how many thousands of people did those three workers come in contact?  I haven’t hear that anyone who passed through their terminal(s) at Port Everglades have been notified. 

[Steelers36]

1 minute ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

I agree. 
 

Anyone who thinks that people (and the media and the markets) are unnecessarily panicked about COVID-19 needs only to consider that Italy, a country where the largest single industry (about 12%) of its economy is tourism-related, has basically shut its doors.  Unnecessary travel, even within a city, is pretty much forbidden.
 

There is nothing unique about Italy that caused this virus to take hold there. It’s just a matter of timing. I don’t think it’s fear-mongering to say that, a month from now, whether or not a particular cruise might be cancelled may not be our biggest concern.  

We are living as normally as possible, but will eventually have to address a long fall cruise voyage if the virus doesn't settle down in the interim. 

[2wheelin]

2 minutes ago, caribill said:

 

Good point about TSA. Might as well require anyone aged 70 or older to present a doctor's note in order to get on an airplane.

And why limit it to age? No doctor I know would sign such a note. Too much liability.

Stopping cruises for a period of time will have very little effect on spread except to delay it. First cruise to go out will undoubtedly have infected people. One person suggested that all crew would be virus free. How would that be insured?

[Colo Cruiser]

3 minutes ago, 2wheelin said:

And why limit it to age? No doctor I know would sign such a note. Too much liability.

Stopping cruises for a period of time will have very little effect on spread except to delay it. First cruise to go out will undoubtedly have infected people. One person suggested that all crew would be virus free. How would that be insured?

I agree....

[Debate]

2 minutes ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

I was thinking the same thing. With how many thousands of people did those three workers come in contact?  I haven’t hear that anyone who passed through their terminal(s) at Port Everglades have been notified. 

I was on the Regal princess who passed embarked and disembarked out of terminal 2 at Port Everglades 3/1 - 3/8 and wouldn't know if I hadn't seen it posted on this page. 

[Colo Cruiser]

27 minutes ago, rabin1 said:

I thought this was just a proposal and not a fact???

Kathy

It is a proposal 

[HalifaxUKFirstTimers]

Agree the age is irrelevant- health issues are the thing that will make you more vulnerable 

[bluesea321]

11 minutes ago, Debate said:

Forgive me if this has been discussed before but I'm wondering why Princess hasn't contacted the folks who passed through the cruise terminal at Port Everglades while the infected port employees were in their terminal ?  Would they not contact other people on the boat if someone came down with with Coronavirus within 14 days of the end of their cruise?  Maybe not??  Maybe its spread so much now that they aren't tracing any longer?  

 

7 minutes ago, PescadoAmarillo said:

I was thinking the same thing. With how many thousands of people did those three workers come in contact?  I haven’t hear that anyone who passed through their terminal(s) at Port Everglades have been notified. 

 

The answer is 50,000 passed through Port Everglades Princess' terminal(s).

 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronovirus-metro-services-everglades-20200310-ocpt7i4jrzhdfkd5ilbp6sypte-story.html