volk904 Posted April 2, 2020 #1901 Share Posted April 2, 2020 The politics of this makes me sick. Somebody explain to me what the big risk their us to FLL and Florida? The passengers with mild sickness stay on the ship until well, the 10 passengers needing hospitals will go to a hospital that Holland has made arrangements with so nobody is being dumped on the Florida Heath are system. The healthy passengers will be checked for fever and leave the ship wearing masks by charter bus To the airport and get on a plane and leave. I just don’t see the issue. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkWN737 Posted April 2, 2020 #1902 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, volk904 said: The politics of this makes me sick. Somebody explain to me what the big risk their us to FLL and Florida? The passengers with mild sickness stay on the ship until well, the 10 passengers needing hospitals will go to a hospital that Holland has made arrangements with so nobody is being dumped on the Florida Heath are system. The healthy passengers will be checked for fever and leave the ship wearing masks by charter bus To the airport and get on a plane and leave. I just don’t see the issue. I think one of the biggest issues is that so many people can be asymptomatic with the virus and still spread it. I’m 60+ and I tested positive in Early March (with high risk travel) and had no symptoms other than a sore throat and very mild cough that went away in a couple days. I never ran a fever but still tested positive on two separate tests. The county has also indicated that the plan from Carnival Corp. is not sufficient The majority of cases in Florida are in and around the Ft. Lauderdale area. They’re probably worried about it spreading and taxing the hospitals more than they already are. Edited April 2, 2020 by KirkWN737 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted April 2, 2020 #1903 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) The emotional saga of ms Zaandam and, to a lesser extent, her older half-sister ms Rotterdam could hopefully come to a conclusion tomorrow in Port Everglades, FL. This will all depend on a positive vote from the Broward County Board of Commissioners, as well as an unanimous buy-in from the Broward Unified Command. The county commission is similar to a city council, while the Broward Unified Command consists of a group of representatives from local, county, state and federal organizations such as the Port Everglades Pilots Association (local), Sheriff's Office (county), Florida Dept. of Health (state), Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (federal), USCG (federal) as well as three others. Zaandam and Rotterdam are currently sailing northbound off Miami, FL. They have been ordered by the USCG to remain outside of U.S. territorial waters and will not get permission to enter Port Everglades until the aforementioned two entities agree to this. In the mean time, the Port Everglades harbormaster site, if permission is granted, shows Zaandam assigned to berth #21 and Rotterdam to berth #19. Once successfully berthed, a plan will be set into motion to disembark the healthy pax from both ships and transport them to MIA and FLL airports (a small group of locals to their personal vehicles at one of the PE parking structures), as well as a small group of seriously ill patients to a local hospital. The webcams are at: https://www.portevergladeswebcam.com/ & https://www.ftlauderdalewebcam.com/ Keep your fingers crossed for the pax and crews of both dam ships! Edited April 2, 2020 by Copper10-8 18 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ski ww Posted April 2, 2020 #1904 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I have been following this on the news, as I'm sure so has most of the country. Hope for the best. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted April 2, 2020 #1905 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I sure hope they can dock the ships today and start getting the people off. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotjeknor Posted April 2, 2020 #1906 Share Posted April 2, 2020 13 hours ago, rabidstoat said: Netherlands would involve, what, 5 or 6 days out of sight of land? If things get really bad on the ship there's no hope for medevac on a transatlantic. Depending on the course and speed of course, there's Bermuda, the Azores and Madeira .I'd say nevermore than two or three days. But it's not up to me, just wondering what the obligations of the government (mine in this case) are under which flag they sail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare puppycanducruise Posted April 2, 2020 #1907 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Got my fingers and toes crossed. I hope they are allowed to dock and disembark people. 🤞 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare hcat Posted April 2, 2020 #1908 Share Posted April 2, 2020 No vote at the meeting about rescuing people..but spent lots of time self congratulating themselves on pet rescue. ! Guess the pets are Broward residents! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarLieb Posted April 2, 2020 #1909 Share Posted April 2, 2020 6 hours ago, volk904 said: The politics of this makes me sick. Somebody explain to me what the big risk their us to FLL and Florida? The passengers with mild sickness stay on the ship until well, the 10 passengers needing hospitals will go to a hospital that Holland has made arrangements with so nobody is being dumped on the Florida Heath are system. The healthy passengers will be checked for fever and leave the ship wearing masks by charter bus To the airport and get on a plane and leave. I just don’t see the issue. The risk is, every single person who works to assist the guests off the ship - port employees, customs officers, bus drivers, pilots/flight attendants, health care workers, etc. - will be exposed to the virus and then run the risk of spreading it more. A large percentage of people carrying the virus are asymptomatic, so checking for fever tells nothing. No matter how you disembark these guests, they will put the people helping to disembark them at risk. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFD1 Posted April 2, 2020 #1910 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Few things in life are risk-free and sometimes we just have to take the risk in order to do what is right. 28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_T Posted April 2, 2020 #1911 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MarLieb said: A large percentage of people carrying the virus are asymptomatic, so checking for fever tells nothing. No matter how you disembark these guests, they will put the people helping to disembark them at risk. ... and those on the ship who are perfectly healthy, run the risk of being infected by the locals helping them... Being unloaded into a self-declared 'hot-spot' which has not yet even been subject to a 'safer-at-home' order isn't the passengers' first choice either. There are no perfect risk-free solutions on either side of this one now, only a question of doing the best that can be done in difficult circumstances. Edited April 2, 2020 by Mark_T 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petunia1950 Posted April 2, 2020 #1912 Share Posted April 2, 2020 NBC News is reporting that "the deal is done" -- just waiting on "lawyers' signatures". I hope they are right! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarLieb Posted April 2, 2020 #1913 Share Posted April 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mark_T said: ... and those on the ship who are perfectly healthy, run the risk of being infected by the locals helping them... Being unloaded into a self-declared 'hot-spot' which has not yet even been subject to a 'safer-at-home' order isn't the passengers' first choice either. There are no perfect risk-free solutions on either side of this one now, only a question of doing the best that can be done in difficult circumstances. I completely agree. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mek Posted April 2, 2020 #1914 Share Posted April 2, 2020 32 minutes ago, DFD1 said: Few things in life are risk-free and sometimes we just have to take the risk in order to do what is right. I agree. To me it is ridiculous that they don't keep on working together until there is a solution - it it was one of their family members onboard, bet they would be working into the wee hours and not going home until it was settled. To keep saying they are coming back another day makes me mad. . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_T Posted April 2, 2020 #1915 Share Posted April 2, 2020 The signs are generally good at the moment though, so let's park this here intil there is more news. Shouldn't be long before there is some clarity on which way this is going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansterre Posted April 2, 2020 #1916 Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mark_T said: The signs are generally good at the moment though, so let's park this here intil there is more news. Shouldn't be long before there is some clarity on which way this is going... You want to dock it here? Why? My mind is on the crew and passengers aboard these two ships. I'm going to the Port Everglades webcam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_T Posted April 2, 2020 #1917 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I'm only suggesting that a repeat of yesterday where everything was rehashed multiple times including the same pro/anti statements at least once an hour might be better avoided today. It tends to bury the actual 'news', so it would be great to add anything spotted on a webcam of course, and any public confirmations of what is happening, but on the flip side it would be more than wonderful if we didn't just get the same combination of 20/20 hindsight and 'Monday morning quarterbacking' today when we should be so close to getting the actual plan and the final decisions... 🙂 (I can always hope) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted April 2, 2020 #1918 Share Posted April 2, 2020 My prayers are with the passengers and crew of the Zaandam and the Rotterdam. 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsel Posted April 2, 2020 #1919 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Thank you Father, we join you in those prayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansterre Posted April 2, 2020 #1920 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Hoping all are comfortable while waiting on the Zaandam and Rotterdam. Hopefully seas are calm off the shores of Port Everglades. Terrible to make anyone wait at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFD1 Posted April 2, 2020 #1921 Share Posted April 2, 2020 My guess is that the political pressure has become intense in the last 24 hours....to the extent that the Broward County Commission, having required a plan to be presented, will allow the ships to dock this afternoon. Having said that, the difficulty of managing the situation once the ships are docked is a very real and pressing challenge for a lot of professionals from several jurisdictions in and around Port Everglades. This is a tough situation.....new territory for everyone involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted April 2, 2020 #1922 Share Posted April 2, 2020 According to CBC news, one ship is supposed to dock at 1 pm and the other at 1:30 pm.(EST) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare kazu Posted April 2, 2020 #1923 Share Posted April 2, 2020 According to CBC news, the ships are scheduled to dock today - 1 at 1pm and the other at 1:30 PM EST. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cat shepard Posted April 2, 2020 #1924 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) Joining in with my prayers and well wishes. Boy, I wish I lived near the port, so I could stand on my balcony and welcome them home. Edited April 2, 2020 by cat shepard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himself Posted April 2, 2020 #1925 Share Posted April 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, kazu said: According to CBC news, one ship is supposed to dock at 1 pm and the other at 1:30 pm.(EST) Jacqui: Lets pray and hope it happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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