susancruzs Posted April 15, 2020 #126 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Thinking of you and your husband, Ruth. Parkinson's is tough, my older sister has it now, early stages. She does everything she can to stay active, positive. There are exercise classes at her local clinic, geared to Parkinson's, she is doing well with them. It was interesting to me moving from a heavily populated NE Illinois to NE Wisconsin, and I knew no one or of anyone with this disease. Here, in a town of 12,000, there are many, including my former neighbor who is in assisted living now. Twenty years is impressive in itself and I am sure you are doing all you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocklinmom Posted April 15, 2020 #127 Share Posted April 15, 2020 So am I reading the June cruise cancellation refund policy correctly? (on their website): 1. If you paid in full already, you get Option 1 (higher value) which is 125% FCC and refund of prepaid shorex's, etc. 2. If you haven't paid in full yet, you get Option 2 (lower value) which is full refund of everything paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shopgirl151 Posted April 15, 2020 #128 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I am wondering what will happen to the July sailings. My cruise starts on July 25, Canada and Colonial America from Fort Lauderdale. Stops in 5 US ports and 3 Canadian ports. The CDC's 100 days ends in the middle of July. Hopefully, if final payment is made and Princess cancels the cruise, the same two options are available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voljeep Posted April 15, 2020 #129 Share Posted April 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, rocklinmom said: So am I reading the June cruise cancellation refund policy correctly? (on their website): 1. If you paid in full already, you get Option 1 (higher value) which is 125% FCC and refund of prepaid shorex's, etc. 2. If you haven't paid in full yet, you get Option 2 (lower value) which is full refund of everything paid I believe the paid in full has 2 options 1) as you described is the default and you don't have to do anything 2) you can request a full refund of all but please re-check and verify 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pris993 Posted April 15, 2020 #130 Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Ruthmcp said: My husband was diagnosed with Parkinson's at the age of 51, he will be 71 this year. He has fought to continue with a "normal" life and done everything possible to keep as well as he can. But this is a horrible, chronic, degenerative, neurological condition that has nothing to do with attitude or lifestyle, and I find Charlie's remarks not only offensive, but deeply hurtful. Think our cruising days are over, in fact I seriously doubt we will ever undertake any form of foreign travel again. By the time it is safe my husband will probably be beyond wanting to make the effort. As another post has commented, holidays are not that important in the current dreadful global situation, but still we feel very sad and can do without being made to feel we could have done something to improve our health! I am sorry for your situation and do recognize how difficult it may be since I worked with a doctor who developed Parkinson's disease. Like you husband, the doctor I worked with fought hard to continue normal life including seeing patient's who loved him on a part time basis as long as he could. Not all underlying conditions as you say can be improved by attitude and lifestyle, but that does not mean many can't be and my message was speaking to those conditions and situations. Deep down you know this is not something that can do for you and I sorry for your sadness and since of loss. Please don't let my message victimize you since it does not speak to your circumstance. I was speaking to those who can take action that can make a difference, for many if there is a will there is a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgwest Posted April 15, 2020 #131 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 hour ago, pris993 said: Please don't let my message victimize you since it does not speak to your circumstance. I was speaking to those who can take action that can make a difference, for many if there is a will there is a way. That’s exactly the way I read it. No PC police here. Your response (above) is spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedferg Posted April 15, 2020 #132 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I am probably being nit picky, but I would expect someone at Princess to double, double check an important announcement. It states 'On cruises sailing before July 31, 2020, you can cancel up to 48 hours before you sail and receive the full amount you have paid either as a Future Cruise Credit* and/or as a refund to the original payment method. See our standard cancellation policies for more details.' Why does it say 'either as a Future Cruise Credit* and/or as a refund' Surely it should be ' either as a Future Cruise Credit* or as a refund'. Separate thought, not sure why anyone would take FCC. On earlier cruises they offered a higher FCC so that is an incentive for FCC. A refund gives more options: Don't Cruise; Cruise after FCC final date; cruise with another line etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare azbirdmom Posted April 15, 2020 #133 Share Posted April 15, 2020 This is an interesting approach to testing that Emirates has implemented. It would take quite a long time to test all cruisers, but it would be wonderful if the cruise lines were able to do something like this: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-becomes-first-airline-to-conduct-on-site-rapid-covid-19-tests-for-passengers/ It would find the asymptomatic passengers. Unfortunately it wouldn't do much for those who were infected on the the way to the ship but I find it to be an interesting idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoaster Posted April 15, 2020 #134 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Tedferg said: Separate thought, not sure why anyone would take FCC. On earlier cruises they offered a higher FCC so that is an incentive for FCC. A refund gives more options: Don't Cruise; Cruise after FCC final date; cruise with another line etc. The incentive is that the FCC is 125% of the cruise fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenbunny Posted April 15, 2020 #135 Share Posted April 15, 2020 A good start to try to start operations again. There is no way to prevent 100% exposure but I feel US airlines will probably follow a similar procedure. I would not hesitate to fly under those preventative measures. After hearing NY Governor announce today masks will be required beginning Friday, I have thought for quite some time that we may start to look like citizens in many Asian cities that have been wearing masks for years - mostly due to air quality - but also flu. I hope it won’t be forever, but until a vaccine it seems probable to feel as safe as we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmFCoyote Posted April 15, 2020 #136 Share Posted April 15, 2020 26 minutes ago, westcoaster said: The incentive is that the FCC is 125% of the cruise fare. The "current" incentive on the newly canceled cruises (11 May - 30 June) is 25% FCC in addition to the 100% FCC refund. Notice that most cruises for 2021 are 25% more than this years prices. No incentive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocklinmom Posted April 15, 2020 #137 Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, WmFCoyote said: The "current" incentive on the newly canceled cruises (11 May - 30 June) is 25% FCC in addition to the 100% FCC refund. Notice that most cruises for 2021 are 25% more than this years prices. No incentive. Yes I looked at the equivalent of our cancelled cruise next summer and the prices are indeed about 25 percent higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetstreamer Posted April 15, 2020 #138 Share Posted April 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Tedferg said: I am probably being nit picky, but I would expect someone at Princess to double, double check an important announcement. It states 'On cruises sailing before July 31, 2020, you can cancel up to 48 hours before you sail and receive the full amount you have paid either as a Future Cruise Credit* and/or as a refund to the original payment method. See our standard cancellation policies for more details.' Why does it say 'either as a Future Cruise Credit* and/or as a refund' Surely it should be ' either as a Future Cruise Credit* or as a refund'. This confused me at first but I think it just means that you can either have it all as FCC or if you want a refund you will get your money back according to the cancellation schedule with any otherwise non-refundable sums back as FCC and the rest in cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenbunny Posted April 15, 2020 #139 Share Posted April 15, 2020 With regard to comments on higher fares, extra fees, using fewer smaller ships, etc and you have to be wealthy to cruise - - we should remember that as recently as 2000 cruising was still mostly considered for the wealthy and retired. The tremendous growth of the cruise industry in the past 20 years has been phenomenal and all the different lines have found their own piece of the $$$$ pie to fit basically almost any budget and cruise style. It might return for a time to those who “can” vs those who wish they could. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthworm Jim Posted April 15, 2020 #140 Share Posted April 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, WmFCoyote said: The "current" incentive on the newly canceled cruises (11 May - 30 June) is 25% FCC in addition to the 100% FCC refund. Notice that most cruises for 2021 are 25% more than this years prices. No incentive. Well, it's still an incentive if you plan on booking a cruise in 2021. If you don't take the extra 25%, you'll have to pay the extra 25% you say 2021 cruises cost out of pocket. (I'd still take the cash) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagoffee Posted April 15, 2020 #141 Share Posted April 15, 2020 23 hours ago, ontheweb said: There are none of those due to the PVSA. Thanks. I often get confused about the PVSA. Perhaps, they can ask for an emergency special waiver. Or they can get permission to stop in Canada, but keep everyone in the ship? Or perhaps it was just an oversight by Princess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted April 16, 2020 #142 Share Posted April 16, 2020 13 hours ago, azbirdmom said: This is an interesting approach to testing that Emirates has implemented. It would take quite a long time to test all cruisers, but it would be wonderful if the cruise lines were able to do something like this: https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-becomes-first-airline-to-conduct-on-site-rapid-covid-19-tests-for-passengers/ It would find the asymptomatic passengers. Unfortunately it wouldn't do much for those who were infected on the the way to the ship but I find it to be an interesting idea. Two interesting things in that link. 1) It is a blood test. In the USA, so far, a blood test can detect antibodies, but cannot detect if you currently have an active case of Covid-19. 2) No small suitcases as carry-ons allowed. Must be checked. 9 hours ago, gardenbunny said: A good start to try to start operations again. On what was previously an average day in the USA, there are 2.7 million passengers on airplanes. There is no way there will be 2.7 million samples of blood taken and analyzed daily at the over 500 USA commercial airports. I suspect there are legal problems in even permitting this to be done. It would also be difficult to find enough qualified medical personnel to do this over at least two shifts, seven days a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyCruiserettu Posted April 19, 2020 #143 Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 8:56 PM, PrincessLuver said: Researchers from Harvard are saying we will be social distancing until 2022 so I really doubt we are going to be getting on a cruise ship before then....not until a vaccine is found which if everything went perfect could not happen until next Spring where millions of people would have to be vaccinated.... That would mean no major college or professional sporting events, or concerts, etc. As many people as 30 cruise ships. Maybe just pay for view? No fans in attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyCruiserettu Posted April 19, 2020 #144 Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 4:00 PM, WmFCoyote said: The "current" incentive on the newly canceled cruises (11 May - 30 June) is 25% FCC in addition to the 100% FCC refund. Notice that most cruises for 2021 are 25% more than this years prices. No incentive. It's still an incentive. If you take the refund later decide to book for later, you're out that 25%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedferg Posted April 19, 2020 #145 Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/15/2020 at 1:30 PM, westcoaster said: The incentive is that the FCC is 125% of the cruise fare. I have lost the details but the cruises I was referring to only offered 100% FCC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUZBUDS Posted April 20, 2020 #146 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tedferg said: I have lost the details but the cruises I was referring to only offered 100% FCC I think you may be thinking of two separate things. Cruises that you cancel were eligible for 100% FCC. If Princess cancels the cruise, you had the option of 125% FCC or 100% refund. We knew that our May cruise to Alaska was going to be canceled. We preferred our money back, so we waited for Princess to do it. Could that be what you saw? Edited April 20, 2020 by CRUZBUDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedferg Posted April 20, 2020 #147 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, CRUZBUDS said: I think you may be thinking of two separate things. Cruises that you cancel were eligible for 100% FCC. If Princess cancels the cruise, you had the option of 125% FCC or 100% refund. We knew that our May cruise to Alaska was going to be canceled. We preferred our money back, so we waited for Princess to do it. Could that be what you saw? This is from the announcement on Princess home page 'Making it Easier to change Plans' : On cruises sailing August 1 through October 15, 2020, you can cancel up to 30 days before you sail and receive the full amount you have paid either as a Future Cruise Credit* and/or as a refund to the original payment method I see you are correct in that this refers to a cruise YOU cancel. Will try to find the other item but might be misremembering. Edit: On second thoughts the question is still valid, why would you take FCC at 100%, even if you cancel ? Where is the advantage in FCC versus same amount in cash ? Edited April 20, 2020 by Tedferg Clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherylandtk Posted April 20, 2020 #148 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Tedferg said: Edit: On second thoughts the question is still valid, why would you take FCC at 100%, even if you cancel ? Where is the advantage in FCC versus same amount in cash ? If PRINCESS cancels one gets the choice of 100% refund in cash or 125% in FCC. If PASSENGER cancels, one gets the usual Penalty Amount in FCC and the rest in cash. Penalty Amount depends on how close to sailing one is at time of cancelation; varying between $100-full fare of cruise. A passenger is offered 100% FCC (without a bonus) when that amount would otherwise be lost as Penalty. There is no option of 100% cash OR FCC in this scenario. Similar to the CFAR Insurance coverage of the old days. Edited April 20, 2020 by cherylandtk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retiringsoon Posted April 20, 2020 #149 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Has anyone received a refund from Princess yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherylandtk Posted April 20, 2020 #150 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Some received prior to March 12 announcement; others (1 or 2 from this board) received as of April~16ish when Princess started the process after much delay. Over a month of Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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