Will passengers be allowed to re-enter the US from future cruises?

[rattanchair]

Should the new covid tests be used after this 100  day no sail order on every returning cruise passenger that tests positive be returned to the ship and not allowed to re-enter the US? The no-sail-order is the time allowed by the US to give CLIA time to come up with a plan that throws ALL the responsibility for the sick covid  passengers testing, treatment (of maybe any virus), and repatriation  on the cruise lines. According to the "order" the US does not want the costs involved any longer. The onus is being shifted to the cruise lines. They will probably require passengers to have some test before being allowed to board, reducing their chance of having a covid shedder on board. Otherwise the costs could be devastating with the US refusing to help any longer.

[Roz]

And after they're returned to the ship, what then?

[CruiserBruce]

1 hour ago, rattanchair said:

Should the new covid tests be used after this 100  day no sail order on every returning cruise passenger that tests positive be returned to the ship and not allowed to re-enter the US? The no-sail-order is the time allowed by the US to give CLIA time to come up with a plan that throws ALL the responsibility for the sick covid  passengers testing, treatment (of maybe any virus), and repatriation  on the cruise lines. According to the "order" the US does not want the costs involved any longer. The onus is being shifted to the cruise lines. They will probably require passengers to have some test before being allowed to board, reducing their chance of having a covid shedder on board. Otherwise the costs could be devastating with the US refusing to help any longer.

There are many holes in this projection. Most importantly, these policies are short term...they won't be long term, or they will kill cruising. Taking a test at boarding doesn't mean much if you pick it up at a port somewhere. Making the cruise lines responsible for sick people won't cut any costs of cruising either, further possible depressing of the cruise industry.

 

Many threads here discussing the "possible" future under these guidelines and others.

[LHT28]

How long  will you be sitting around at the port  waiting for test results ?

2 days? 10 days?

 or maybe they will try this method

https://globalnews.ca/news/6851579/coronavirus-airline-blood-tests/

 

Do not book any flights  the same day you arrive though

[rattanchair]

2 hours ago, CruiserBruce said:

Most importantly, these policies are short term

Do not think these policies will be short term under this administration.

[rattanchair]

3 hours ago, Roz said:

And after they're returned to the ship, what then?

The CDC recommends a transfer to a hospital ship, or a second quarantine ship, administered by a relief ship for hospital type workers. Please read the April 9,2020 Order.

[clo]

45 minutes ago, rattanchair said:

Do not think these policies will be short term under this administration.

Right. Short term 🙂

[CruiserBruce]

47 minutes ago, rattanchair said:

The CDC recommends a transfer to a hospital ship, or a second quarantine ship, administered by a relief ship for hospital type workers. Please read the April 9,2020 Order.

And how many hospital ships are there? The US has two...not sure there are others out there. And how many other ships just sitting around in quarantine...the point is these things had relevancy for a couple of weeks as the cruises shut down. But hopefully that relevancy expired with the full shutdown of cruising...when everyone got home.

[Roz]

1 hour ago, rattanchair said:

The CDC recommends a transfer to a hospital ship, or a second quarantine ship, administered by a relief ship for hospital type workers. Please read the April 9,2020 Order.

 

So every debarkation port would have a hospital ship or quarantine ship available?  Not practical on any level.

[Elaine5715]

7 hours ago, rattanchair said:

Should the new covid tests be used after this 100  day no sail order on every returning cruise passenger that tests positive be returned to the ship and not allowed to re-enter the US? The no-sail-order is the time allowed by the US to give CLIA time to come up with a plan that throws ALL the responsibility for the sick covid  passengers testing, treatment (of maybe any virus), and repatriation  on the cruise lines. According to the "order" the US does not want the costs involved any longer. The onus is being shifted to the cruise lines. They will probably require passengers to have some test before being allowed to board, reducing their chance of having a covid shedder on board. Otherwise the costs could be devastating with the US refusing to help any longer.

US citizens will be allowed to debark.  The question will be non US or crew.  Port cities do not want to be financially responsible for their care.  Other countries hold passengers' passports until the bill settled, here they can't.  

[clo]

2 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

US citizens will be allowed to debark.

SF, Miami and others might disagree with you. I think it's one of many big questions.

[GlamorousGirl]

Depends on the disembarkation point, your home state, and the Governor. My Governor has already said residents of the state will always be allowed to disembark and return home. I would hope other Governors would do that too but I haven’t heard any of the other Governors address this on the news, so I don’t know

[clo]

1 minute ago, GlamorousGirl said:

Depends on the disembarkation point, your home state, and the Governor. My Governor has already said residents of the state will always be allowed to disembark and return home. I would hope other Governors would do that too but I haven’t heard any of the other Governors address this on the news, so I don’t know

Hopefully you don't hold him up as a role model. Florida, right? Whew.

[ontheweb]

12 hours ago, CruiserBruce said:

And how many hospital ships are there? The US has two...not sure there are others out there. And how many other ships just sitting around in quarantine...the point is these things had relevancy for a couple of weeks as the cruises shut down. But hopefully that relevancy expired with the full shutdown of cruising...when everyone got home.

And one of the naval hospital ships was dispatched to NY City because they were about to have a crisis because there would not be enough hospital beds. Guess what, it is leaving because it turns out it was not needed. And this is in the epicenter of the pandemic.

 

https://www.recordonline.com/zz/news/20200423/usns-comfort-to-leave-new-york-city-after-spending-three-weeks-mostly-empty-of-patients

[Elaine5715]

8 hours ago, clo said:

SF, Miami and others might disagree with you. I think it's one of many big questions.

Federal law trumps state and local.  US Citizens with proof of citizenship cannot be denied re-entry into the US at the border.

[Markanddonna]

Here is some historical perspective on illnesses on ships. During the years of our largest immigration from Europe to the USA (late 1800 and early 1900s), the shipping companies had to assume the cost of returning their passengers who were ill.  For the time period, rather rigorous testing was done at the port of embarkation in Europe before the passenger set foot on the ship. Once they set foot on Ellis Island, they had a medical check.  If the passenger failed the medical inspection, they had to return to Europe.  This, of course, was tragic because the immigrant likely sold everything they owned for the ticket. Many families had to decide if the healthy family members should stay or return with the ill person.  If the passenger had a minor ailment, they were kept at the hospital on Ellis Island. 

 

So, the cruise companies' responsibilites are no different than they were for the shipping lines 100 years ago.

 

 

[LHT28]

3 minutes ago, Markanddonna said:

Here is some historical perspective on illnesses on ships. During the years of our largest immigration from Europe to the USA (late 1800 and early 1900s), the shipping companies had to assume the cost of returning their passengers who were ill.  For the time period, rather rigorous testing was done at the port of embarkation in Europe before the passenger set foot on the ship. Once they set foot on Ellis Island, they had a medical check.  If the passenger failed the medical inspection, they had to return to Europe.  This, of course, was tragic because the immigrant likely sold everything they owned for the ticket. Many families had to decide if the healthy family members should stay or return with the ill person.  If the passenger had a minor ailment, they were kept at the hospital on Ellis Island. 

 

So, the cruise companies' responsibilites are no different than they were for the shipping lines 100 years ago.

 

 

One exception those people coming over were coming to stay  ( probably your ancestors )   so they wanted  healthy people to work  the land or the factories  in the USA

 

[LHT28]

11 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

US citizens will be allowed to debark.  The question will be non US or crew.  Port cities do not want to be financially responsible for their care.  Other countries hold passengers' passports until the bill settled, here they can't.  

Where will the  cruises embark?

Maybe other Countries will not allow  Us Citizens to enter  to board the ships

 Maybe they will have cruise  for US citizen only leaving & arriving in US ports  ..maybe they will allow the "cruises to no where"  again

[Markanddonna]

3 minutes ago, LHT28 said:

One exception those people coming over were coming to stay  ( probably your ancestors )   so they wanted  healthy people to work  the land or the factories  in the USA

 

While that is true, some were seasonal or temporary workers.  My great grandfather and his brothers came over from Sweden several times a year to work but then decided to immigrate after five yeears. Many men came to earn enough money in order to return and purchase their own farm.

 

The USA didn't want "public charges" and marked "LPC" (Likely Public Charge) on their manifest. These people were taken aside for special investigation and testing.  Our country also didn't want infectious diseases to carry into the population.  They understood the dangers even before the Spanish Flu Pandemic.

 

[LHT28]

17 minutes ago, Markanddonna said:

While that is true, some were seasonal or temporary workers.  My great grandfather and his brothers came over from Sweden several times a year to work but then decided to immigrate after five yeears. Many men came to earn enough money in order to return and purchase their own farm.

 

The USA didn't want "public charges" and marked "LPC" (Likely Public Charge) on their manifest. These people were taken aside for special investigation and testing.  Our country also didn't want infectious diseases to carry into the population.  They understood the dangers even before the Spanish Flu Pandemic.

 

as I   said just have cruises for US citizens  embarking/disembarking in the USA  only  😷

 

[Roger88]

If this measure will be issued, it will lead to a total collapse of transport system as whole. Not only the cruises. Because as soon as one of the industries implements it, everyone else will try to do the same and we will get long ques, longer waiting times and big gaps between the traveles. I think this measure shouldnt be taken. I woudl suggest investing more money into search of the cure rather than limitations of our freedoms 

[rattanchair]

14 hours ago, CruiserBruce said:

And how many hospital ships are there?

As of right now the the CLIA has no hospital ships, no quarantine ships, nor any relief worker ships to accommodate the CDC order. Please read the April 9, 2020 No-Sail-Order pages 6-7. The US does not want US flagged hospital ships used for the cruise industry. Read the order, page 1 Intents, the 5 intents boil down to really 2; no US entry of infected passengers and no US involvement in costs of treatment, quarantine or repatriation, from this point forward. Read it. This order is for the cruise industry to come up with a plan for the future of cruising in US waters, considering a second wave predicted this fall.

[rattanchair]

14 hours ago, Roz said:

 

So every debarkation port would have a hospital ship or quarantine ship available?  Not practical on any level.

The cruise lines might have to have private medevac or tender from ship to CLIA hospital or quarantine ship all at the CLIA expense, no longer US Coast Guard medevacs. Once proven cured, the cruise lines have to pay for repatriation and not even on commercial transport but private charters (probably up for negotiation since the infected are supposedly cured or does the US feel they really might not be 100% cured and to protect the public further by prohibiting commercial carriers as stated in the Order).

[LHT28]

I wonder how this will work out

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/5301/?et_cid=3327335&et_rid=208721925&et_referrer=cc_shoptiques_contest_aug2016

 

Good to see they are addressing the self serve buffet issue  👍

[rattanchair]

12 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

US citizens will be allowed to debark.

This would be a great relief for US citizens. Where did you find this?  Page 6 , 3k. both US citizens and foreign nationals....

Edited April 24, 2020 by rattanchair