Why I feel August will be the real restart date.

[kwokpot]

2 hours ago, JustAPilot said:

It's interesting to note though that the demand for cruising is still there. Younger people have disposable money to spend on vacations this year and are not afraid to get on a ship. Looks like it's the government so far holding the barricades down. 

You really don't get it,do you? It's not about the demand,it's about having an approved plan on how to deal with the virus. Without a plan it doesn't matter how many people want to cruise. 

[BirdTravels]

7 hours ago, Mrdodgy said:

Not NCL - just announced!!

Article on restart plan 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/05/14/coronavirus-norwegian-cruise-line-lays-out-plan-its-relaunch/5186314002/

[seaman11]

1 hour ago, kwokpot said:

You really don't get it,do you? It's not about the demand,it's about having an approved plan on how to deal with the virus. Without a plan it doesn't matter how many people want to cruise. 

you dont think they have the plan?  i think they do , they plan on changing the muster drill. less pax on the ship,  smaller ships to start.  separate rooms they will use as quarantined cabins incase of an outbreak...  more sanitizing stations.  face masks worn by all crew and restaurant workers,  no self serving buffets.  ect. 

[kwokpot]

22 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

Article on restart plan 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/05/14/coronavirus-norwegian-cruise-line-lays-out-plan-its-relaunch/5186314002/

Pretty much exactly what I've been posting on various threads all over CC. Should we now accuse DelRio of DOOM AND GLOOM and being all negative??? HMMM??? 

[chipmaster]

I find it interesting that Carnival and HAL are laying off while NCL is going about like all is well and we will turn the corner.

 

Delta says it has 7500 too many pilots, is retiring it's 777 early, yup we are just a few months of normal, LOL

 

I know DelRio is Forest Gump and the Shrimp boat captain!

Edited May 14, 2020 by chipmaster

[seaman11]

1 minute ago, chipmaster said:

I find it interesting that Carnival and HAL are laying off while NCL is going about like all is well and we will turn the corner.

 

Delta says it has 7500 too many pilots, is retiring it's 777 early, yup we are just a few months of normal, LOL

no one said, it will be "normal" it will start up slow. 

[yankees111]

Just now, seaman11 said:

no one said, it will be "normal" it will start up slow. 

Sorry but there is no way in hell I will step on a cruise ship if I am required to wear a face covering. Doubt many people would.

[Georgia_Peaches]

9 minutes ago, yankees111 said:

Sorry but there is no way in hell I will step on a cruise ship if I am required to wear a face covering. Doubt many people would.

Just got home form our local Mexican restaurant for dine in.  We sat on the patio along with several other parties.  We were socially distanced from each other.  No issues, but we (the guests) didn't wear masks.  The employees, however, were all wearing them.  I can see this scenario on a ship.  Crew wearing masks, passengers not required to wear them. 

 

Like you, we won't sail if masks are required.

[chipmaster]

13 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

Just got home form our local Mexican restaurant for dine in.  We sat on the patio along with several other parties.  We were socially distanced from each other.  No issues, but we (the guests) didn't wear masks.  The employees, however, were all wearing them.  I can see this scenario on a ship.  Crew wearing masks, passengers not required to wear them. 

 

Like you, we won't sail if masks are required.

 

I can see why the management would want to selfishly protect their employees from their possibly disease carrying guest.  Any sick employee and the whole ship goes to pot.

 

What amazes me how selfish people are and see masks with their discomfort as a encroachment of freedom and choice and comfort.  

 

I see masks so differently.   I just had to wear one extensively as I spent several hours on a plane, then all day in a medical office, then shopping ( it was the law/guideline now where i traveled ).  They are hot, they are uncomfortable, they are inconvenient, they make breathing harder, BUT   Masks do reduce the risk of getting and transmitting virus, do show I care about my fellow man, do show I care for my fellow human, do show I can follow rules, and most important a show of solidarity that we have a hope for the future., 

 

Now would I wear one on a ship, yes, for all the reason listed above.  Funny most Eastern societies and even many in Europe that have come to appreciate the good results when a group makes sacrifices for the larger common good have seen reduction of COVID19 cases and transmissions.

Edited May 14, 2020 by chipmaster

[chipmaster]

27 minutes ago, yankees111 said:

Sorry but there is no way in hell I will step on a cruise ship if I am required to wear a face covering. Doubt many people would.

 

I see you list your profile as NYC, you wear one out and about NYC? 

 

[Georgia_Peaches]

20 minutes ago, chipmaster said:

What amazes me how selfish people are and see masks with their discomfort as a encroachment of freedom and choice and comfort.  

Maybe I have missed your point but I don't see staying home in lieu of wearing a mask on a cruise as being selfish.  If my preferred cruising style has suddenly become antiquated in the face of this pandemic, then so be it.  I have fond memories.  I wish everyone well when they cruise...if masks are required, it won't be with us on board.

 

Edit...when in a public place, I wear a mask...as you put it, for the protection of my fellow man.  I just don't want to vacation that way.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Georgia_Peaches

[yankees111]

8 minutes ago, chipmaster said:

 

I see you list your profile as NYC, you wear one out and about NYC? 

 

I don’t get your point. It is a requirement to wear a face covering in public places  like supermarkets in New York. I would not however choose to take a vacation in which I would be forced to wear a face covering and I am sure most people feel the same way.

[seaman11]

1 hour ago, yankees111 said:

Sorry but there is no way in hell I will step on a cruise ship if I am required to wear a face covering. Doubt many people would.

A few casinos opened up already and have not required patrons to wear masks only the staff and dealers.  Id imagine the cruiselines wouldnt require it.  

[chipmaster]

25 minutes ago, yankees111 said:

I don’t get your point. It is a requirement to wear a face covering in public places  like supermarkets in New York. I would not however choose to take a vacation in which I would be forced to wear a face covering and I am sure most people feel the same way.

 

So you follow the guideline good for you, I'm okay in your choice on vacation, but hopefully you appreciate why wearing a mask is simply smart.

 

I hear at Shanghai Disney they have to wear masks,  I've been there before, didn't wear mask.  if I get to travel for fun and say go to sports even and masks were required, or Disney world ( I hope to be there this January ), I would go and wear my mask.  

[Charles4515]

A few casinos opened up already and have not required patrons to wear masks only the staff and dealers.  Id imagine the cruiselines wouldnt require it.  

For sailing out of US ports it will be whatever the CDC requires.


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[Charles4515]

no one said, it will be "normal" it will start up slow. 

Today’s news. Massive US layoffs and furloughs across all Carnival brands. That does not sound like starting up.


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[seaman11]

34 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

For sailing out of US ports it will be whatever the CDC requires.


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They will work with them im sure but casinos and cruiselines know patrons dont want to wear masks all the time.  I doubt it will be required. Did the cdc require the casino opening up in westwood to have patrons wear them?  No. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by seaman11

[Charles4515]

They will work with them im sure but casinos and cruiselines know patrons dont want to wear masks all the time.  I doubt it will be required. Did the cdc require the casino opening up in westwood to have patribs wear them?  No. 

 

 

 

"Feel free to wear a life vest. If you want to."

 

“ ...I would but I'm worried it would make me look silly...but more fundamentally it takes away my rights.”

 

 

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[Mrdodgy]

9 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/05/14/coronavirus-norwegian-cruise-line-lays-out-plan-its-relaunch/5186314002/

Sorry listen to the shareholders briefing the story not the reporting by USA today, FDR stated he did not know the date they would be starting but with the ships n cold layup it will not be quick!

 

I am afraid the NCL w all new will be VERY different - the investment is going to the  other brands. Just listen to how FDR promotes them. I would say it will be at least 12 months before we see the entire NCL  fleet at sea.

 

BirdTravels  NCL are NOT starting in August 2020 t so I maintain my comments. Not sure what you are trying to prove with the article which says very little. You fail to mention that they have pushed back the ship builds and not one mention of the Leonardo; the fact that it will take at least two years to get back to any normality and even FDR admitted that Q1 2021 prices are likely to fall despite trying to hold them up. As he called it they see the runway as being very long to recovery and sadly I can see many many expensive senior crew being fired to assist them. 

 

I appreciate you do like negative comments about NCL.

Edited May 15, 2020 by Mrdodgy

[Mrdodgy]

7 hours ago, seaman11 said:

A few casinos opened up already and have not required patrons to wear masks only the staff and dealers.  Id imagine the cruiselines wouldnt require it.  

Sorry you are so wrong. You  keep quoting Casinos on land no comparison

 

They are going to be mandatory in all public areas. Its in the draft plans as is the closing of buffets. 

 

Look at the paper you quoted even the self serving industry magazines show mock up pictures of the said casino players wearing masks. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mrdodgy]

7 hours ago, seaman11 said:

They will work with them im sure but casinos and cruiselines know patrons dont want to wear masks all the time.  I doubt it will be required. Did the cdc require the casino opening up in westwood to have patrons wear them?  No. 

As always hedging your bets - I doubt  it will be required is very different to it will be required. Why do you doubt it anyway? Interested to know.

 

So when it is mandatory to wear masks you will say I never said defiantly but that surely is what you believe.

 

Yui

[hamrag]

59 minutes ago, Mrdodgy said:

.....BirdTravels  NCL are NOT starting in August 2020 t so I maintain my comments. Not sure what you are trying to prove with the article which says very little....

 

Exactly....The article in question says nothing different from what FDR said last week in a USA TV programme interview! What he said then, according to what I read, is that they hope to commence cruising again starting late Q3 or in Q4 this year with only 3 ships....then rollout the rest of the fleet gradually over a 6 month period i.e. by spring 2021.

 

That seems reasonable to me as a plan but, as they say, the best laid plans.....etc.

Edited May 15, 2020 by hamrag

[beerman2]

3 hours ago, Mrdodgy said:

As always hedging your bets - I doubt  it will be required is very different to it will be required. Why do you doubt it anyway? Interested to know.

 

So when it is mandatory to wear masks you will say I never said defiantly but that surely is what you believe.

 

Yui

He doesn't hedge bets, at least that's what he told me when I mentioned the same thing on sail dates.

 

And yes you can't compare "land" based casinos to anything at "sea".

 

Land you have access to hospitals that can deal with the virus, at Sea (Cruise Ships) as of right now they CAN'T. It's really simple, not sure why some can't see the difference.

 

Intensive care if needed is a major setback for cruise lines , that's why they Medvac.

Edited May 15, 2020 by beerman2

[sanger727]

13 hours ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

Maybe I have missed your point but I don't see staying home in lieu of wearing a mask on a cruise as being selfish.  If my preferred cruising style has suddenly become antiquated in the face of this pandemic, then so be it.  I have fond memories.  I wish everyone well when they cruise...if masks are required, it won't be with us on board.

 

Edit...when in a public place, I wear a mask...as you put it, for the protection of my fellow man.  I just don't want to vacation that way.

 

 I understand your point. I'm on the fence. I agree that in general, wearing face masks would take something away from the vacation. But, at this point, since we don't know how long these requirements might last, I wouldn't necessarily forego going on a vacation next year over this. What will be interesting will be the cancellation policy when cruising starts back up again. How long does the "cruise with confidence" policy last? Could they restart in September, require masks, and then go back to the old cancellation penalties so suddenly if you had a cruise booked in October and didn't want to wear a mask you would face a huge penalty to cancel.

[mking8288]

Being selfish and inconsiderate in refusal to wear a mask is more than a show of disrespect, it can be grounds/basis for endangering public health and be denied services as an unwelcomed guests.  Of course, it is more challenging onboard a moving ship at sea to enforce the rules ... as you cannot toss them out the door.

 

Perhaps, somewhat off-topic but related, many here in NY area forgotten that back in Sept 2011 after the WTC collapsed, first responders doing the recovery work, workers and residents that returned to the area were told by the EPA that it was safe and not necessary to wear N95 masks or even a basic surgical mask ...  We know not to be true since then, otherwise, that it continued to take a long-term health toll on many, as well as mental health toll.  Feel free to checkout the latest on nyc.gov/911health - where survey data is being collected again for the Health Registry.  

 

Those that plan to travel and cruise once again as a family with teens and children, you should be concerned and pay attention to the newest advisory & caution issued by WHO and US-CDC, that of Pediatric MIS-S, which the NYS and NYC-DOHMH issued the early warning & alert earlier in the week to healthcare personnel. It is your own life, feel free to gamble at your own convenience.