Cruise ports that are welcoming cruisers back when the companies are ready

[bmwman]

3 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Its not fake news. Because you dont believe they would accept ships when the ships have appeased the cdc and are  ready to sail. thete have been multiple reports.     We will see what happens in a few months. Still a lot of time.  

Seaman11 

 

You are confused the post you put on its not news - its an advert by a Travel agent so your interpretation is fake news,

Throughout the months your only arguments have been it a few months away. You never answer anyones questions - especially mine regarding crewing the ships. I  know from inside the industry and if you understood the logistics to get the ships going again - which you clearly do not accept ) or the financials you would realise why you will not be cruising in August and why this person put the advert out.

 

Its that simple my friend you are wrong and al your opening up comments are  without foundation or relevance to this industry.

 

No one here agrees with you here and indeed I can tell you no crew want to work until its safe so that you can have 7 days vacation. They do not care about the jobs - they are scared.

 

You have reluctantly accepted you ere wrong about NCL. I look forward to you finally smelling the coffe for the other lines 

 

Oh btw none of the August cruies are sold out - Where the demand - there is not  -the cruises will not sail 

[seaman11]

2 minutes ago, billyu said:

It has nothing to do with numbers from the destination.  You have to look at the numbers from the country of origin.  And right now the US and Canada are not at that point with great numbers. 

Well we arent talking right Now. 

 

Now but 2 1\2 months from now lets see.  Some states could be looking great. 

[seaman11]

2 minutes ago, bmwman said:

Seaman11 

 

You are confused the post you put on its not news - its an advert by a Travel agent so your interpretation is fake news,

Throughout the months your only arguments have been it a few months away. You never answer anyones questions - especially mine regarding crewing the ships. I  know from inside the industry and if you understood the logistics to get the ships going again - which you clearly do not accept ) or the financials you would realise why you will not be cruising in August and why this person put the advert out.

 

Its that simple my friend you are wrong and al your opening up comments are  without foundation or relevance to this industry.

 

No one here agrees with you here and indeed I can tell you no crew want to work until its safe so that you can have 7 days vacation. They do not care about the jobs - they are scared.

 

You have reluctantly accepted you ere wrong about NCL. I look forward to you finally smelling the coffe for the other lines 

 

Oh btw none of the August cruies are sold out - Where the demand - there is not  -the cruises will not sail 

There are other sources that say when the cdc is ok and ships go they are welcome.  Posted in this thread. 

 

Next when asked how long it would take the cruiseline rew

Guarding staff tand getting ready. They said 3 weeks.  Do no its not all lies. Also im not talking just ncl.  They seem to be dragging their feet. 

[billyu]

1 minute ago, seaman11 said:

Well we arent talking right Now. 

 

Now but 2 1\2 months from now lets see.  Some states could be looking great. 

Here in Ontario we have started to open up a bit and the numbers are not great.  They are saying it is possible that some restrictions may have to go back in place. 

 

Give it a month and see where the numbers go to have a better idea after lifting of restrictions 
 

 

 

 

[harkinmr]

3 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Id like to hear the reasoning on why the Bahamas would still block ships once the cdc has been appeased and sailing can resume.  Their covid numbers have dropped off. 

 

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Simple.  Because they wouldn't want to expose their citizens to possible infection from thousands of US citizens on cruise ships.  Oh, and because the Bahamas aren't obligated to open just because the CDC says it's ok to sail.  

[seaman11]

8 minutes ago, billyu said:

Here in Ontario we have started to open up a bit and the numbers are not great.  They are saying it is possible that some restrictions may have to go back in place. 

 

Give it a month and see where the numbers go to have a better idea after lifting of restrictions 
 

 

 

 

The nothern part will be a lot slower going then the southern parts of the us.  That is for sure.  I dont expect ny or Canada to have cruises this summer and maybe this year.   

Edited May 22, 2020 by seaman11

[seaman11]

Just now, harkinmr said:

Simple.  Because they wouldn't want to expose their citizens to possible infection from thousands of US citizens on cruise ships.  Oh, and because the Bahamas aren't obligated to open just because the CDC says it's ok to sail.  

Yes but they would be silly not to.  Yes there is a risk. Always have been and will be of any virus spreading. However the risk is smaller than ppl realize. They also need the tourism dollars.  At a certain point things have to open up.  

[harkinmr]

33 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

No, because when you go to stadiums for ballgames and concerts, you can't "social distance" in a crowd.  There is no way to do that effectively with thousands of people. Between the entry and service lines and the size of the passageways, it's just not feasible.  You have been on cruises before.  Were you 6 feet from every other person at all times?  Go back and remember the process from embarkation through debarkation and tell me that you truly believe it is possible to keep everyone six foot away from each other.  Also, masks are not the answer to replace social distancing on a ship - masks are useless on a ship.  People will need to take them off to eat, drink and smoke - so what good are they really??  Never mind the issue that there is not adequate medical care on a ship SHOULD there be a breakout.  If you get Covid-19, you NEED a doctor and proper medical treatment immediately (trust me on this.)  Even if they COULD MediVac you, tell me how many countries are guaranteed to accept incoming Covid cases.

 

And not every concert or theater venue holds 60,000.  The average Broadway theater capacity is 1700.  Have you heard about them "opening up" yet?  

 

I know you are anxious and hopeful, we ALL are.  But we have to be reasonable and look at the facts and compare apples to apples.

Excellent points!  Can't really reason with the unreasonable though...

[seaman11]

8 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Excellent points!  Can't really reason with the unreasonable though...

The thread is about some ports welcoming. Ships once they are ready to sail and cdc gives the green light. What is so unreasonable about that?   

 

Lol its like if the cdc is ok and port is ok some posters want it stopped.  Lol ridiculous.  

 

What pancake missed is ships that sail will have medic cabins set up in case of those emergencies.  

 

 

Life is going to go on no matter how many dont want it to at the moment.  

Edited May 22, 2020 by seaman11

[harkinmr]

6 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Yes but they would be silly not to.  Yes there is a risk. Always have been and will be of any virus spreading. However the risk is smaller than ppl realize. They also need the tourism dollars.  At a certain point things have to open up.  

At a "certain point", yes.  But that point will not be in two months.  It doesn't matter how much you think they will need the tourism dollars, there aren't enough of those to take care of a major infection outbreak on an island.  There WILL BE a second wave of this virus and August/September should be just about time for that.  Rest assured, NO cruise line is going to sail if there is even the slightest chance that things could go sideways...they would be done for good.

[seaman11]

5 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

At a "certain point", yes.  But that point will not be in two months.  It doesn't matter how much you think they will need the tourism dollars, there aren't enough of those to take care of a major infection outbreak on an island.  There WILL BE a second wave of this virus and August/September should be just about time for that.  Rest assured, NO cruise line is going to sail if there is even the slightest chance that things could go sideways...they would be done for good.

https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/focus/article/breaking-travel-news-jamaica-prepares-for-revival-of-cruise-sector/

 

 

Second wave can happen and set backs but that is not the subject at hand.  Thats assuming things go pear shaped 

Edited May 22, 2020 by seaman11

[harkinmr]

2 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

The thread is about some ports welcoming. Ships once they are ready to sail and cdc gives the green light. What is so unreasonable about that?   

 

Lol its like if the cdc is ok and port is ok some posters want it stopped.  Lol ridiculous.  

 

What pancake missed is ships that sail will have medic cabins set up in case of those emergencies.  

 

 

Life is going to go on no matter how many dont want it to at the moment.  

The post YOU started is about an uninformed travel agent spouting off about what ports will or will not be open once cruising starts...without anything to back it up I might add.  No one wants to prevent any ports from opening (except maybe those in actual control of that decision!) or wants cruising to be stopped permanently.  The rest of us just don't believe in fairy tales 🙄

[seaman11]

10 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

The post YOU started is about an uninformed travel agent spouting off about what ports will or will not be open once cruising starts...without anything to back it up I might add.  No one wants to prevent any ports from opening (except maybe those in actual control of that decision!) or wants cruising to be stopped permanently.  The rest of us just don't believe in fairy tales 🙄

Already posted multiple different sources.  How many would satisfy you and some others? Im guessing no amount.  Jamica stated the same.  When the ships are cleared by the cdc they will welcome them.  

Edited May 22, 2020 by seaman11

[pcakes122]

11 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

What pancake missed is ships that sail will have medic cabins set up in case of those emergencies.  

First, it doesn't surprise me that you get my name wrong since it's evident from your posting history that you only "half-read" things and make up the rest.  😂

 

But to the medical point, here are the FACTS.  Cruise ship doctors specialize in EMERGENCY MEDICINE.  They are like ER doctors (if you don't believe this, google job postings for cruise ship doctors.)  What they are capable of doing is stopping you from bleeding, stitching up a wound, treating a minor infection, setting a broken bone, helping with seasickness.  They can STABILIZE more serious issues (such as heart attacks, strokes, etc.) but they don't have the expertise or equipment to TREAT those diseases.  That's why they MediVac those patients to facilities where they can see actual cardiologists, neurologists, etc.  With Covid-19 you need more than an emergency room doctor.  You need an INTENSIVE CARE UNIT.  Neither the ships or their doctors are set up for this and won't be.

Edited May 22, 2020 by pcakes122

[seaman11]

8 minutes ago, pcakes122 said:

First, it doesn't surprise me that you get my name wrong since it's evident from your posting history that you only "half-read" things and make up the rest.  😂

 

But to the medical point, here are the FACTS.  Cruise ship doctors specialize in EMERGENCY MEDICINE.  They are like ER doctors (if you don't believe this, google job postings for cruise ship doctors.)  What they are capable of doing is stopping you from bleeding, stitching up a wound, treating a minor infection, setting a broken bone, helping with seasickness.  They can STABILIZE more serious issues (such as heart attacks, strokes, etc.) but they don't have the expertise or equipment to TREAT those diseases.  That's why they MediVac those patients to facilities where they can see actual cardiologists, neurologists, etc.  With Covid-19 you need more than an emergency room doctor.  You need an INTENSIVE CARE UNIT.  Neither the ships or their doctors are set up for this and won't be.

Obviously you are making a moot point. If the cdc is satisfied with the arrangment.  The ships will go.  Whatever that is. 

 

The subject here was many saying no ports would want the ships till 2021 or whatever.   That is clearly not the case.  Some will welcome them back with open arms when the lines are ready.  

 

I dont make things up i even post links to back it up but of course those dismiss the sources they dont agree with.  

Edited May 22, 2020 by seaman11

[pcakes122]

Just now, seaman11 said:

If the cdc is satisfied with the arrangment.  The ships will go.  Whatever that is.

I don't think anyone is arguing with this.  What folks are reacting to is your guess that this will happen by August 1.  Most people who are living in the real world doubt that (including the NCL and Royal Caribbean CEOs.)

[Newleno]

go get em seaman11, there sure are a lot of negative nancy's on this board, yes I feel sorry for them

[seaman11]

Just now, pcakes122 said:

I don't think anyone is arguing with this.  What folks are reacting to is your guess that this will happen by August 1.  Most people who are living in the real world doubt that (including the NCL and Royal Caribbean CEOs.)

Maybe they are living in an area that has bad numbers and projecting that to mean all over is bad bad, and its still may.  Plenty of time till august. 

 

 Anyway the thread is about ports welcoming the ships back as soon as they are ready and cleared.  So i really dont see the argument with that.  

[seaman11]

Just now, Newleno said:

go get em seaman11, there sure are a lot of negative nancy's on this board, yes I feel sorry for them

I wish they could be banned from cruising till 2021,  and have to watch my live feed sipping a pina colada on board.  😃

[hamrag]

45 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

......However i like carnivals plan .  

 

🤣 🤣

[Charles4515]

In today’s news:

 

“ Travelers arriving in the United Kingdom from June 8 will be required to self-isolate for 14 days, the British Home Secretary Priti Patel announced on Friday.”

 

“Patel defended the measures saying the UK government was taking them “to guard against imported cases” and assured it was doing so at “a time where it would be most effective.”

 

“It is to protect that hard-won progress and prevent a devastating resurgence and a second wave of the virus,” she said.”

 

This is the way governments are acting. They are not opening up international travel. They are making it more difficult. They are scared of us.

 

 

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[Trimone]

Queue in Miami, February 14th 2020, would you? 

[harkinmr]

11 minutes ago, seaman11 said:

Already posted multiple different sources.  How many would satisfy you and some others? Im guessing no amount.  Jamica stated the same.  When the ships are cleared by the cdc they will welcome them.  

Good grief!!  The conversation started about the Bahamas NOT Jamaica.  The one printed source you linked to for the Bahamas basically says there no date certain for opening up.  The other was a video from a ranting, rambling travel agent who doesn't know any more than you or anyone else about exact opening dates.  AGAIN, cruise line CEOs have ALL said that they will not sail until they can assure their passengers and the CDC that cruising will be safe.  Haven't seen ANY concrete plans  from ANY cruise line about how they plan on doing that.  When they submit those plans to the CDC and they are approved, then cruising will open.  Wishful thinking isn't going to change that!

[pcakes122]

1 minute ago, seaman11 said:

I wish they could be banned from cruising till 2021,  and have to watch my live feed sipping a pina colada on board.  😃

I banned myself by moving all my cruises to 2021.   When I got home from my March cruise I had 8 more cruises booked in 2020 (2 in June, 2 in July, 1 in September, 2 in November and 1 in December.)  I cancelled 4 of them completely and moved the other 4 to 2021.  If it says anything I have 1) already had Covid so I have "supposed" (maybe) immunity and 2) my cruises are comped through the cruise line casinos so I only have to pay port taxes and/or nominal admin fees.  But I am still not getting on a cruise ship in 2020.

[seaman11]

Charles we are talking the carrabean here. Cruising will start slow indeed. With just a few short cruises and ships.  

 

https://www.loopjamaica.com/content/watch-smooth-sailing-ship-workers-begin-disembark-falmouth