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2 hours ago, CintiPam said:

But as Jonathan Swan so cogently pointed out, it is deaths per total population that is so very discouraging for our beloved country.  

Agreed.

If Estonia with population of 1.3 Million people did 1 M COVID tests they would have tested almost 100% of their population

If we did 3 Million tests that would be 3 times as many as Estonia but we would have tested less than 1% of our population.

Some people (not to point fingers) have trouble grasping this concept.

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20 hours ago, RJB said:

Looks just like fake news to me.  You can take the numbers out of the air if you want but it does not make them correct.

I am sure this was a genuine mistake but it really goes to show how easily fake news starts

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Have a look at this site, gives data on case, death and testing numbers and as a percentage of population. Like all the other sites the numbers are only as accurate as the country supplying them, and even thise supplying "accurate" data count things differently. At the moment for example  UK are reporting as aCovid death the death of anyone who has ever had a positive Covid test, so if you have a positive test in March and get knocked down and killed in August you go on the stats as a Covid death!  

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

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1 minute ago, jo-b said:

Have a look at this site, gives data on case, death and testing numbers and as a percentage of population. Like all the other sites the numbers are only as accurate as the country supplying them, and even thise supplying "accurate" data count things differently. At the moment for example  UK are reporting as aCovid death the death of anyone who has ever had a positive Covid test, so if you have a positive test in March and get knocked down and killed in August you go on the stats as a Covid death!  

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

The same thing happens here in the US. A young man in Florida was killed in a motorcycle accident. he happened to be positive for covid and his death was listed under the stats for covid deaths that day. 

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report

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19 hours ago, Paulchili said:

Of course, the problem with cruising is that it takes only one person to test positive before the cruise is over - and if all goes well nobody else becomes positive but if not, is Diamond Princess all over.

This is especially true for crew members who are in close quarters and are exposed to many passengers.

Now a flight attendant from Air Tahiti Nui has tested positive.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/422805/tahiti-flight-attendant-tests-positive-for-covid-19

Contact tracing for all passengers who were on flights this person worked over the last 2 weeks will be enormous. 

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4 minutes ago, jo-b said:

Have a look at this site, gives data on case, death and testing numbers and as a percentage of population. Like all the other sites the numbers are only as accurate as the country supplying them, and even thise supplying "accurate" data count things differently. At the moment for example  UK are reporting as aCovid death the death of anyone who has ever had a positive Covid test, so if you have a positive test in March and get knocked down and killed in August you go on the stats as a Covid death!  

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ 

Hey if you go skydiving in the USA and your parachute doesn't open and you have covid-19 and you ended up as a pancake, you will probably be counted as a covid-19 death in many states.  I bet the death rate for the elderly in the UK has dropped dramatically for non-covid19 causes.    

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8 minutes ago, susiesan said:

The same thing happens here in the US. A young man in Florida was killed in a motorcycle accident. he happened to be positive for covid and his death was listed under the stats for covid deaths that day. 

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report

And then there is this:

https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/covid-19/covid-19-associated-deaths-significantly-undercounted

or this (and many more along this line)

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/official-us-coronavirus-death-toll-is-a-substantial-undercount-of-actual-tally-new-yale-study-finds.html

Take your pick.

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Posted (edited)

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Edited by Petoonya

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2 hours ago, susiesan said:

Now a flight attendant from Air Tahiti Nui has tested positive.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/422805/tahiti-flight-attendant-tests-positive-for-covid-19

Contact tracing for all passengers who were on flights this person worked over the last 2 weeks will be enormous. 

Fingers crossed it's a false positive. I could be wrong but the only news source that's carrying it is New Zealand as far as I can see.

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Well, so far the limited and careful of resumption of cruising has cruise ships losing to COVID:

 

Hurtigruten had 45 infections on it's arctic cruise

Paul Gaugin had one infection on its Tahiti cruise

SeaDream  discovered a pax with COVID onboard, after he disembarked in Norway

Uncruise had a passenger test positive on its Alaska cruise

And... Costa Crociere had 3 crew members across 2 ships in testing its sailing procedures (no pax on board) for Italian departures

 

Guess the protocols have a way to go.

 

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, 1985rz1 said:

Well, so far the limited and careful of resumption of cruising has cruise ships losing to COVID:

 

Hurtigruten had 45 infections on it's arctic cruise

Paul Gaugin had one infection on its Tahiti cruise

SeaDream  discovered a pax with COVID onboard, after he disembarked in Norway

Uncruise had a passenger test positive on its Alaska cruise

And... Costa Crociere had 3 crew members across 2 ships in testing its sailing procedures (no pax on board) for Italian departures

 

Guess the protocols have a way to go.

I agree. We have ways to go for just eating out safely, never mind cruising.

Even if we have a new administration in Jan with all good intentions, we won’t get far as long as many won’t listen or cooperate with the protocols.

We have plenty of proof now that many won’t listen.

Edited by Paulchili

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On 8/9/2020 at 8:12 PM, Paulchili said:

I agree. We have ways to go for just eating out safely, never mind cruising.

Even if we have a new administration in Jan with all good intentions, we won’t get far as long as many won’t listen or cooperate with the protocols.

We have plenty of proof now that many won’t listen.

So we all know the problem.  Now now what do we do about it?  Not enough jail cells for all of those people. 

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Face it, the virus cannot be stopped no matter what anyone or any country does. We either have to decide to just carry on with our lives or stay at home.  Covid 19 as a disease is here to stay and we must learn to live with the possibility that we could catch it, or not, just like influenza, pneumonia, tuberculosis, or any other respiratory disease. If we get sick, we get treatment, but the majority of people will not get sick or even know they have the virus.

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1 hour ago, RJB said:

So we all know the problem.  Now now what do we do about it?  Not enough jail cells for all of those people. 

No need for jail cells - a fine will do just great (like a traffic fine for speeding or no seat belts). That will get one's attention.

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32 minutes ago, susiesan said:

If we get sick, we get treatment

Yes, but as things stand AS I WRITE THIS, there is no "cure".

Only palliative care where they "hope" that the patient won't be left with long term side effects.

Scary

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1 hour ago, susiesan said:

Covid 19 as a disease is here to stay and we must learn to live with the possibility that we could catch it, or not, just like influenza, pneumonia, tuberculosis, or any other respiratory disease.

Sorry but this comparison is way off. First, TB is not highly contagious (usually have to have prolonged exposure to it like living with someone) and we have cure for it. I have never been scared of getting the flu or pneumonia - none of those have kept restaurants, schools, etc closed, stopped cruising and flying or devastated economies like COVID is now. We certainly cannot continue living forever as we currently are in US.

Hopefully there will be an effective vaccine and a treatment for it in the near future - then we can live with it.

Edited by Paulchili

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32 minutes ago, Paulchili said:

No need for jail cells - a fine will do just great (like a traffic fine for speeding or no seat belts). That will get one's attention.

Ankle bracelets & put people under house arrest  😉

 

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People think they can avoid the virus by suppressing it, i.e. minimizing the actions that occur in society.  Well, this virus is in the same family as some cold viruses.  How well have our society suppressed the common cold or developed a cold vaccine?  I am a believer that 20% of the population is susceptible to this virus.  The virus has to go through this 20% before our society reaches herd immunity.  Suppressing the virus will just postpone the day of reckoning.  We have effective early treatment for the virus as well as prophylactic drugs, such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.  They may not be FDA-approved, but they are used throughout the world.  Amazingly, the area where both of these drugs are used on a everyday or seasonal use is Africa.  Look at their death rates or even infection rates compared to the USA or Europe.  Just because they are not FDA-approved doesn't mean that they don't work.

 

When a vaccine arrives, how effective will it be?  Will it cover that 20% of the population that is susceptible to the virus?   At best, it may just reduce the severity of the virus.  Hope for the best, but plan for something worst.  

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9 minutes ago, deadzone1003 said:

We have effective early treatment for the virus as well as prophylactic drugs, such as hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. 

I was going to say something but it's like talking to a one year old so I won't bother.

Like ORV said, I could put the poster on ignore but then I would miss all the entertainment 🙂

Edited by Paulchili

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On 8/11/2020 at 11:12 AM, Paulchili said:

No need for jail cells - a fine will do just great (like a traffic fine for speeding or no seat belts). That will get one's attention.

As long as something gets these idiots attention so the the rest of us can stay as safe as possible.

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1 hour ago, RJB said:

As long as something gets these idiots attention so the the rest of us can stay as safe as possible.

You do know who has set the example for these folks? 

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2 hours ago, ORV said:

You do know who has set the example for these folks? 

More than an example - a code of "proper" conduct.

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