Moderna Covid Vaccine 94.5% Effective

[mek]

2 hours ago, BND said:

I'm type O- but no one else in my family is.  My parents and sisters and both sons (and DH) are A-.  I will say I've always been very healthy.  Flu shot is good because it's one less illness that can cause complications this year.

I'm A negative which is also rare.  There have been some studies on RH negative blood being more resistant to certain illnesses, but just like most medical studies, there are opposing views.

[mek]

4 hours ago, molly361 said:

I am still blown away by the number of people and lines to get tested still today with people that have no symptoms getting tested so I am sure there will be very long lines for the vaccine

That doesn't surprise me.  Perhaps people with no symptoms had been exposed to someone who did have the virus?

Getting tested and getting a vaccine are two different things.  My son was tested last spring because he had all of the symptoms but the test came back negative, ( I still suspect he had it), but he isn't interested in getting the vaccine.  I know many who won't get it.

[BirdTravels]

4 hours ago, molly361 said:

I am still blown away by the number of people and lines to get tested still today with people that have no symptoms getting tested so I am sure there will be very long lines for the vaccine

So,,, if you have a positivity rate of 3%, 97% of the people in line are negative. I have been tested twice and the vast majority of people being tested (me included) were there for pre-medical procedure or pre-travel testing which were requirements for those activities.... like getting a pre-test to go on a cruise. 

[Mapleleafforever]

There's something fishy with Moderna....never before had a product make it to market......execs sold off shares months ago.....why?

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns

[coffeebean]

6 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

 
I would call it operation make money. 😉

I would call it "Operation Save the Planet"

[nomad098]

14 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

There's something fishy with Moderna....never before had a product make it to market......execs sold off shares months ago.....why?

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns

 

Don't dig to deep as it gets more concerning as you go.

[Plum Happy]

18 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

There's something fishy with Moderna....never before had a product make it to market......execs sold off shares months ago.....why?

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns

Moderna has been working with NIH for years.  They have been working with Dr. Kizzmekia Corbett that was finding a vaccine for coronavirus at National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at NIH to which Dr. Fauci is the head of.  A lot of these companies work directly with NIH or other institutes as well.

Edited November 16, 2020 by Plum Happy

[Sunshine3601]

4 hours ago, molly361 said:

I'm relaxed  Not a fan of any injections.  Don't get a flu shot😇

I understand.   I hate needles too.    When I was a kid I used to scream and cry whenever I saw a needle coming for me.     Now I'm in my early 50's i don't make a fuss except when a lab tech takes several jabs to draw blood.   That I hate!     

I got my flu shot on Thursday and just felt like a bee sting to me.    

[Sunshine3601]

39 minutes ago, mek said:

That doesn't surprise me.  Perhaps people with no symptoms had been exposed to someone who did have the virus?

Getting tested and getting a vaccine are two different things.  My son was tested last spring because he had all of the symptoms but the test came back negative, ( I still suspect he had it), but he isn't interested in getting the vaccine.  I know many who won't get it.

I saw results of a survey last night on my local news that said less than 50% of americans plan on getting the vaccine as soon as it is available.     Something like 35% said they will wait at 3 to 12 months before they get it and the rest said No way!     I have no idea who they surveyed and there are so many different surveys out for there for everything and anything I really don't rely on that information but let's hope me and my DH are allowed to get it since he is a organ transplant recipient.    No word yet on whether someone like him we will be allowed.

[Arizona Wildcat]

22 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

There's something fishy with Moderna....never before had a product make it to market......execs sold off shares months ago.....why?

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns

You might feel better if you understand that insider sales are either set up months or years in advance or are sales in order to raise $$ to purchase shares issued under options.  A bank where I have options to buy many shares at $2.10 will require me to sell shares to raise the $$ to exercise the options before they expire.

Nothing sinister

[Arizona Wildcat]

4 hours ago, molly361 said:

I'm relaxed  Not a fan of any injections.  Don't get a flu shot😇

As someone who lost an old friend yesterday from complications from flu - not Covid - on Saturday . . . .  get vaccinated!  20K flu deaths that could be reduced by half.  Without vaccine 1 in 3 will get shingles.  Does anyone like injections?   

[BND]

1 minute ago, Arizona Wildcat said:

As someone who lost an old friend yesterday from complications from flu - not Covid - on Saturday . . . .  get vaccinated!  20K flu deaths that could be reduced by half.  Without vaccine 1 in 3 will get shingles.  Does anyone like injections?   

The 1 in 3 for shingles seems low to me.  I know a lot of people who have had them.  Both my parents (mom twice), my MIL, my oldest DS (at age 22) have all had them plus quite a few people I've worked with and friends.   I guess part of it is in my generation and even my son's (34 and 36) most everyone actually had chicken pox as there was no vaccine.  Having had the chicken pox makes you vulnerable.  1 in 3 should change dramatically over the next few years. 

 

I don't think some people realize that people die each year from flu complications, especially in the older populations.  The flu itself doesn't kill you, it's the secondary infections.  In my county, last Feb we had a healthy 17 yr old die from flu complications, yet we haven't had a single death from COVID under age 40 and even 40-49, there was only 1 and I have no idea what they're health status was, but it probably wasn't good.

[Ken at the beach]

40 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

let's hope me and my DH are allowed to get it since he is a organ transplant recipient.    No word yet on whether someone like him we will be allowed.

I am on immuno-suppressant medication which I believe is similar to medications that transplant recipients receive so there may be similarities.    I can get any of the vaccines that are available EXCEPT any of the live virus vaccines and my Dr's recommend that I get the vaccines.  Always check with your specialist.

[A&L_Ont]

11 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

I would call it "Operation Save the Planet"

Let’s change that to, “save people of the planet, while making a bunch of money”.
 

Greta would feel that this is not truly “saving the planet”. 

[Mikew0805]

8 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Whatever you call it, it wouldn’t have become available in months instead of years without Operation Warp Speed. 
 

M8

Well, maybe Moderna would not have been available, but Pfizer did not receive funds from the OWS/CARES Act. 

[firefly333]

2 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

There's something fishy with Moderna....never before had a product make it to market......execs sold off shares months ago.....why?

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns

Did you see a Pfizer exec sold off 60% of his holdings too. I guess they think the stock wouldnt stay this high, it's a run up by traders. 

[Domino D]

2 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

There's something fishy with Moderna....never before had a product make it to market......execs sold off shares months ago.....why?

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/908305074/bad-optics-or-something-more-moderna-executives-stock-sales-raise-concerns

 

17 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Did you see a Pfizer exec sold off 60% of his holdings too. I guess they think the stock wouldnt stay this high, it's a run up by traders. 

There can always be something going on, I wouldn't put it past them. I did read an article once about pharmaceutical stocks and that they traded at their highest amounts just before trial results were publicly reported (whether the trial went good or bad).  It may just be that the promise of a vaccine is better for stock price, then the actual release of a vaccine.   

[Sunshine3601]

2 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

I am on immuno-suppressant medication which I believe is similar to medications that transplant recipients receive so there may be similarities.    I can get any of the vaccines that are available EXCEPT any of the live virus vaccines and my Dr's recommend that I get the vaccines.  Always check with your specialist.

Yes, same for him.   he is allowed only certain vaccines - even though he is under 62 he gets the high does quad flu shot, he is Not allowed to get the shingles vaccine.   

I spoke with one of his transplant team members last week when they called to review his monthly labs and she said they have no idea on whether transplant recipients will be allowed the covid vaccine.    She suspects they will have to do additional studies before it would be safe for him to get it.     Will wait to speak to the actual transplant doc or the infectious disease doc when the vaccine is available.      Not sure that his system would build up the required antibodies due to his meds, I have no idea how all the works.     

 

[not-enough-cruising]

1 hour ago, Mikew0805 said:

Well, maybe Moderna would not have been available, but Pfizer did not receive funds from the OWS/CARES Act. 

Pfizer had a guaranteed purchase order that motivated them. 

[Ken at the beach]

26 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

Yes, same for him.   he is allowed only certain vaccines - even though he is under 62 he gets the high does quad flu shot, he is Not allowed to get the shingles vaccine.

There are 2 different shingles vaccines, one live (zoztavax) and one that’s not (shingrix) that is similar to the flu vaccine.  Has he been told he can’t have either one?

[Sunshine3601]

45 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

There are 2 different shingles vaccines, one live (zoztavax) and one that’s not (shingrix) that is similar to the flu vaccine.  Has he been told he can’t have either one?

I have a print out she gave us.  I'll double check and let you know what she said.  I do recall her speaking about the 2 different ones.

[Missusdubbya]

54 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Pfizer had a guaranteed purchase order that motivated them. 

Pfizer had guaranteed purchase orders from other countries as well, including Australia. 

[Ken at the beach]

2 minutes ago, Missusdubbya said:

Pfizer had guaranteed purchase orders from other countries as well, including Australia. 

Canada has purchased 76 million doses from Pfizer.

[smalltimecruiser100]

In the meantime, save a life or two, wear your  masks, social distance, limit family gatherings this holiday season and wash your hands as hospitals need your help so they won't get over loaded.

[meadowlander]

12 hours ago, A&L_Ont said:

Anything brings lawsuits nowadays. 

Amen.