Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 9, 2021 #101 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I know you don't want to hear this but I think the decision to close our borders to visitors from the majority of overseas countries is wise to limit the risk of outbreaks in Australia. There is a limit as to how many arrivals our quarantine system can handle and Australian residents should have priority. However blocking Australians from leaving is a bit stupid. Anyone should be free to leave but then they must stay away until our border opens to whatever countries they've gone to. If they try to sneak back before that they should be sent to Christmas Island until the pandemic is over. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MMDown Under Posted May 9, 2021 #102 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said: I know you don't want to hear this but I think the decision to close our borders to visitors from the majority of overseas countries is wise to limit the risk of outbreaks in Australia. There is a limit as to how many arrivals our quarantine system can handle and Australian residents should have priority. However blocking Australians from leaving is a bit stupid. Anyone should be free to leave but then they must stay away until our border opens to whatever countries they've gone to. If they try to sneak back before that they should be sent to Christmas Island until the pandemic is over. Agree Australians should be able to leave Australia, as long as they understand they may not be able to come back because of the virus. I have a friend currently living in the US, whose whole family lives in Australia. Prior to the virus, she came home twice a year. She has managed to come home from the US once since the pandemic. I can't imagine what it would be like to not know when you would see all the members of your close family again. This is what our Aussies who have relatives living overseas must feel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackduck59 Posted May 9, 2021 #103 Share Posted May 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said: I know you don't want to hear this but I think the decision to close our borders to visitors from the majority of overseas countries is wise to limit the risk of outbreaks in Australia. There is a limit as to how many arrivals our quarantine system can handle and Australian residents should have priority. Julie, believe it or not I agree with you. Closing your international border is still appropriate at this time. My beef as should be that of many Australians is that your "leader" seems to think that indefinitely even up until 2023 is an appropriate mind set. His mind set should be we need to get our population vaccinated RFN and move everything to make it so. I see that there will be charter flights bringing people in from India starting in a week, is this at tax payer expense? A leader would set a goal and challenge the people to meet it. Take a page out of the current administration in that large country to the south of mine. He said 100 million doses in my first 100 days, people weary from the former "leader" thought no way the new guy can do that. Well big surprise it was closer to 200 million doses administered. Funny thing what leadership can do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted May 9, 2021 #104 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Blackduck59 said: Julie, believe it or not I agree with you. Closing your international border is still appropriate at this time. My beef as should be that of many Australians is that your "leader" seems to think that indefinitely even up until 2023 is an appropriate mind set. His mind set should be we need to get our population vaccinated RFN and move everything to make it so. I see that there will be charter flights bringing people in from India starting in a week, is this at tax payer expense? A leader would set a goal and challenge the people to meet it. Take a page out of the current administration in that large country to the south of mine. He said 100 million doses in my first 100 days, people weary from the former "leader" thought no way the new guy can do that. Well big surprise it was closer to 200 million doses administered. Funny thing what leadership can do. Lyle, another problem here is reportedly 40% to 50% of people are refusing to be vaccinated. Irriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackduck59 Posted May 9, 2021 #105 Share Posted May 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, NSWP said: Lyle, another problem here is reportedly 40% to 50% of people are refusing to be vaccinated. Irriots. That is because your "leader" is not calling BS on the whole blood clot thing, and also not working at getting more of the Pfizer vaccine or looking at Moderna. His message is "we'll just hole up" and everything will be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 9, 2021 #106 Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Blackduck59 said: That is because your "leader" is not calling BS on the whole blood clot thing, and also not working at getting more of the Pfizer vaccine or looking at Moderna. His message is "we'll just hole up" and everything will be fine. The government has already ordered more Pfizer but it's not expected to start arriving until later this year, assuming they don't block another shipment. Anyway there are other places in the world that need it more than we do. We also have an another one on order (Novovax?) but that won't start arriving until the end of the year either. You.must remember that some countries rushed the vaccine approvals through under emergency conditions. Australia and NZ did not need to do that so were later starting their vaccination program. And our illustrious leader hasn't got the guts to ensure the full facts on blood clots are publicized ie 4 chances in a million of getting vaccine related blood clots, 8-10 times that risk if you catch the virus, and 1,200 in a million Australians are diagnosed with blood clots every year without any help from Covid-19 or a vaccine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted May 9, 2021 #107 Share Posted May 9, 2021 It doesn't help the media reports on every individual clot after an AZ shot. Where was this reporting pre pandemic🙄? Blood clots weren't so newsworthy before 😒. The main issue though is supply. Like the EU, Australia assumed supply would be easy so never thought to make those special deals they Israel made in order to be first served. Instead we are at the back of the line while the line has been halted😳. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare frantic36 Posted May 9, 2021 #108 Share Posted May 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, ilikeanswers said: It doesn't help the media reports on every individual clot after an AZ shot. Where was this reporting pre pandemic🙄? Blood clots weren't so newsworthy before 😒. The other day I was watching a briefing by the Professor who heads the TGA which I found very interesting. He mentioned that of 163 reported cases of blood clots that were reported post vaccine only 11 were linked to the vaccination. They look for markers in the patients to help determine causality. This includes, thrombocytopenia, a portion which is found in the blood clots and a few other things. That is why it takes awhile to determine if the case is vaccine related or not. What frustrates me is the media seem to report every case prior to the results of causality and rarely seem to report when the clotting incidence is found not to be related to the vaccine. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted May 9, 2021 #109 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, frantic36 said: The other day I was watching a briefing by the Professor who heads the TGA which I found very interesting. He mentioned that of 163 reported cases of blood clots that were reported post vaccine only 11 were linked to the vaccination. They look for markers in the patients to help determine causality. This includes, thrombocytopenia, a portion which is found in the blood clots and a few other things. That is why it takes awhile to determine if the case is vaccine related or not. What frustrates me is the media seem to report every case prior to the results of causality and rarely seem to report when the clotting incidence is found not to be related to the vaccine. That is the sort of thing that should be broadcast on all the news but instead we will get another report of another clot after an AZ shot😒 and then hear nothing about the follow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
possum52 Posted May 9, 2021 #110 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, ilikeanswers said: That is the sort of thing that should be broadcast on all the news but instead we will get another report of another clot after an AZ shot😒 and then hear nothing about the follow up. THe reporting of clots is really frustrating me. Surely whoever is releasing the information should only be doing so when/if any connection to the vaccine is found. Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare frantic36 Posted May 9, 2021 #111 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, ilikeanswers said: This includes, thrombocytopenia, a portion which is found in the blood clots I just realised my error in this comment. I meant to say protein not portion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 9, 2021 #112 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, possum52 said: THe reporting of clots is really frustrating me. Surely whoever is releasing the information should only be doing so when/if any connection to the vaccine is found. Leigh Yes, it should. I don't know why they are doing this scaremongering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted May 9, 2021 #113 Share Posted May 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said: Yes, it should. I don't know why they are doing this scaremongering. It makes news. If there were no side effects from the vaccination, it wouldn't make the news. Similarly, they won't report the vast majority of cases where there are minor side effects. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 9, 2021 #114 Share Posted May 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said: It makes news. If there were no side effects from the vaccination, it wouldn't make the news. Similarly, they won't report the vast majority of cases where there are minor side effects. Yeah. I don't believe in censorship but I wish there was a way of reining in the media for a while. They are just making things worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icat2000 Posted May 9, 2021 #115 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said: Yeah. I don't believe in censorship but I wish there was a way of reining in the media for a while. They are just making things worse. Well reining in would be a form of censorship. I think Morrison needs to get some different vaccines and then people can have options. At the moment there only 1 choice and people are going hmmm nope. Blame the EU. They didn't give us the vaccines that Australian ordered and paid for. Edited May 9, 2021 by icat2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 9, 2021 #116 Share Posted May 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, icat2000 said: Well reining in would be a form of censorship. Yes, I know but I'm sick of the type of reporting that takes a grain of truth and expands it into a sensalionalist article. Such as reporting every little blood clot case of a vaccinated person, whether it's related or not, without putting the whole thing into perspective. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanessaNJ Posted May 9, 2021 #117 Share Posted May 9, 2021 9 hours ago, OzKiwiJJ said: I know you don't want to hear this but I think the decision to close our borders to visitors from the majority of overseas countries is wise to limit the risk of outbreaks in Australia. There is a limit as to how many arrivals our quarantine system can handle and Australian residents should have priority. However blocking Australians from leaving is a bit stupid. Anyone should be free to leave but then they must stay away until our border opens to whatever countries they've gone to. If they try to sneak back before that they should be sent to Christmas Island until the pandemic is over. I agree that our boarders aren’t ready to be an open free for all. However this isn’t actually what people here are advocating for. We’re advocating for a similar arrangement to places like Israel. Cruises locally and perhaps even to NZ for Aus and NZ citizens and residents only. No international passengers, no trans Atlantic cruises. Quarantined crew, perhaps even vaccinated crew and passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted May 9, 2021 #118 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I read in a newspaper article about tomorrow budget, that the government doesn't expect to open our borders until 2022. Of course, this isn't a statement by the government, just a newspaper article. However, it doesn't look good for cruising at the end of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSWP Posted May 9, 2021 #119 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Well with so many people refusing the vaccination, it will only prolong the border closures, air and sea. So folks get jabbed, your refusal is impacting on others that want to travel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pully8 Posted May 9, 2021 #120 Share Posted May 9, 2021 It was unfortunate that the vaccine from Queensland had to withdraw because that would have assisted supply. They are trying to restart it once problems are sorted. Supply remains an issue even with our small population albeit a spread out one. Most other countries have a few vaccine options. Perhaps this time next year more will be know about vaccines and dosages, including boosters with the new variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 10, 2021 #121 Share Posted May 10, 2021 12 hours ago, VanessaNJ said: I agree that our boarders aren’t ready to be an open free for all. However this isn’t actually what people here are advocating for. We’re advocating for a similar arrangement to places like Israel. Cruises locally and perhaps even to NZ for Aus and NZ citizens and residents only. No international passengers, no trans Atlantic cruises. Quarantined crew, perhaps even vaccinated crew and passengers. Yes, I am aware of that and have posted many time on exactly that topic. However my post that you quoted had nothing to do with the possible resumption of Australian cruises per se, it was purely about the continuance of border closures as part of an ongoing discussion at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 10, 2021 #122 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Aus Traveller said: I read in a newspaper article about tomorrow budget, that the government doesn't expect to open our borders until 2022. Of course, this isn't a statement by the government, just a newspaper article. However, it doesn't look good for cruising at the end of this year. Apart from needing special exemptions for the crews to arrive in Australia having our borders open doesn't necessarily equate to no cruising. If passenger numbers are restricted to ensure social distancing then there will be no problems filling the ships with Australian and NZ passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted May 10, 2021 #123 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Now here is a classic case of irresponsible headlining: "The early results are in: Two-thirds of Australian COVID sufferers are in for the long haul" Then the first paragraph of the article states: "Experts have been tracking the long-term health outcomes of Australians recovering from severe COVID-19 disease, and early results show roughly two in three people have ongoing issues." OK, so not everyone who gets COVID, just severe cases! Further on in the article we read this: "Dubbed the COVID Recovery Study, experts have been interviewing about 200 COVID-19 patients to learn more about outcomes six to 12 months after infection." So a study of 200 COVID patients leads to a headline implying two-thirds of all COVID patients will have long term effects. Admittedly in this case I'm all in favour of this particular headline, it might encourage more people to get vaccinated. 😊 Source: ABC online news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heddyjan Posted May 10, 2021 Author #124 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Filling the ships is not the problem ..... crewing the ships is the problem. Most of the crew comes from the Philippines. I know some crew there and they haven’t been vaccinated. I was going to offer to purchase some vaccine for them (for their safety, not just job security) and all vaccines are distributed through the government. Private clinics are not permitted to obtain and sell vaccines). i feel so sorry for the overseas crew. No social safety net. They have to fend for themselves as they are employed (for Princess) but by local agencies. Many are really struggling. We want to cruise but these lovely people just want to earn a living to feed their families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted May 10, 2021 #125 Share Posted May 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, heddyjan said: I was going to offer to purchase some vaccine for them (for their safety, not just job security) and all vaccines are distributed through the government. Private clinics are not permitted to obtain and sell vaccines). There is a valid reason why vaccines are not sold. A black market would quickly develop. This hasn't stopped some trying to sell so-called "vaccines". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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