i want to be informed

[bouhunter]

42 minutes ago, cjmx said:

i am on hold with Royal now.  So far been told they do not publicize this information on their website. 

Good luck with that.

[cjmx]

alright cruisers,  i had hoped there was a website that people knew of that might gather that information, guess not.

nevertheless, im going to keep pursuing this data.  I would think, maybe erroneously, that other cruisers would like to know it at as well.  

 

[Jerseygirl1416]

1 minute ago, cjmx said:

alright cruisers,  i had hoped there was a website that people knew of that might gather that information, guess not.

nevertheless, im going to keep pursuing this data.  I would think, maybe erroneously, that other cruisers would like to know it at as well.  

 

Since I’m fully vaccinated I could care less. Hopefully cruising on the Oasis in September. Good luck on your quest😊

[orville99]

[davekathy]

22 minutes ago, cjmx said:

alright cruisers,  i had hoped there was a website that people knew of that might gather that information, guess not.

nevertheless, im going to keep pursuing this data.  I would think, maybe erroneously, that other cruisers would like to know it at as well.  

 

The only thing I want to know (informed) is, if my cruises are going to happen and possibly any changes. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by davekathy

[MikeBayAreaCa]

20 minutes ago, Jerseygirl1416 said:

Since I’m fully vaccinated I could care less. Hopefully cruising on the Oasis in September. Good luck on your quest😊

 

22 minutes ago, cjmx said:

alright cruisers,  i had hoped there was a website that people knew of that might gather that information, guess not.

nevertheless, im going to keep pursuing this data.  I would think, maybe erroneously, that other cruisers would like to know it at as well.  

 

 

Since there is an incubation period and there may be a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people on board the numbers will vary based on the mixture on each particular ship.  
 

 

I would much rather know about virus transmission between two vaccinated people. 
From my perspective that may end up being the most important piece of information we can get.  

[Sunshine3601]

36 minutes ago, cjmx said:

alright cruisers,  i had hoped there was a website that people knew of that might gather that information, guess not.

nevertheless, im going to keep pursuing this data.  I would think, maybe erroneously, that other cruisers would like to know it at as well.  

 

May I ask why is this so important to you to know the exact number?     

 

I am not sure if it changed but I recall reading at one point that if a ship reached 1% of passengers and crew with covid is when the ship had to return to US port.   

 

i.e. if a 1000 passengers and 1000 crew then it would take a break out of 200 people for a ship to have to return per CDC protocol.    

 

That is highly unlikely since majority of passengers and crew are vaccinated. 

 

You mentioned in original post about knowing of 3 families that covid onboard a ship but you have not shared what ship they were on when they sailing was, why is that?

 

[ReneeFLL]

1 hour ago, cjmx said:

oh, covid cases have to be reported to the CDC.  but it would be nice if it was also public and easily found

thanks

And freak people out? You know how some people can be.  Ask the CDC.

Edited July 24, 2021 by ReneeFLL

[Jerseygirl1416]

18 minutes ago, MikeBayAreaCa said:

 

 

Since there is an incubation period and there may be a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated people on board the numbers will vary based on the mixture on each particular ship.  
 

 

I would much rather know about virus transmission between two vaccinated people. 
From my perspective that may end up being the most important piece of information we can get.  

I live in a house with 3 other fully vaccinated family members since April. No virus in any of us and we’ve been unmasked in doors for a couple of months here in NJ. Get vaccinated people and live your lives! You can’t get this time back😊

[Seville2Cabo]

23 minutes ago, Sunshine3601 said:

May I ask why is this so important to you to know the exact number?     

 

I am not sure if it changed but I recall reading at one point that if a ship reached 1% of passengers and crew with covid is when the ship had to return to US port.   

 

i.e. if a 1000 passengers and 1000 crew then it would take a break out of 200 people for a ship to have to return per CDC protocol.    

 

That is highly unlikely since majority of passengers and crew are vaccinated. 

 

You mentioned in original post about knowing of 3 families that covid onboard a ship but you have not shared what ship they were on when they sailing was, why is that?

 

Funny math???

[d9704011]

15 minutes ago, Seville2Cabo said:

Funny math???

Bad math... the number in the hypothetical scenario should be 20, not 200 and this is more 'likely' to happen.

Edited July 24, 2021 by d9704011

[BirdTravels]

2 hours ago, cjmx said:

Biker19,

 

yes the CDC is showing many of the sailings with covid cases-  is it that hard to know the hard data?

and when he cdc says threshold ?  how many is the threshold for Red that would mean return to port?

 

CDC Color Status does not necessarily mean COVID onboard. You can get a have COVID onboard and be green. You can be yellow or red if you don't submit your report on time or don't conduct onboard testing on time. 

 

The Color Score is compliance to the rules of the Conditional Sail Order. 

[MikeBayAreaCa]

55 minutes ago, Jerseygirl1416 said:

I live in a house with 3 other fully vaccinated family members since April. No virus in any of us and we’ve been unmasked in doors for a couple of months here in NJ. Get vaccinated people and live your lives! You can’t get this time back😊

I agree. 

[BecciBoo]

2 hours ago, cjmx said:

that other cruisers would like to know it at as well.  

 

Not me, don't give a rat's patoot how many there are.  WE don't know how many there are right here in my area for certain, they can't even keep up with it accurately.  Knowing won't change anything, will it?  We've done our part to help keep us healthy.

Edited July 24, 2021 by BecciBoo

[time4u2go]

It would be interesting to know but I doubt you are going to find this information.

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by time4u2go

[SoCA6ft5]

There is a Wikipedia page with a chart on this. Search: COVID-19 pandemic on cruise ships

 

As with all Wikipedia, take with a grain of salt.

[Ozark_Kid]

2 hours ago, cjmx said:

.  I would think, maybe erroneously, that other cruisers would like to know it at as well.  

I would say erroneously for most.  I am with @BecciBoo , I really don’t care.  The only thing I care about with cruising is if my October cruise on go.  I really don’t think the majority of vaxxed our concerned.  Don’t plan on cruising until you are not stressed out over numbers.  Don’t book, turn off the news, enjoy life.

[d9704011]

3 minutes ago, SoCA6ft5 said:

There is a Wikipedia page with a chart on this. Search: COVID-19 pandemic on cruise ships

 

As with all Wikipedia, take with a grain of salt.

I'd say take with a salt lick!

[brillohead]

I could not care less about this info.

I don't know how many people in Walmart tested positive. 

I don't know how many people at the gas station tested positive.

I don't know how many people at Denny's or Bob Evans or Taco Bell tested positive.

I don't know how many people at Disney tested positive.

I don't know how many people in my hotel tested positive.

I do not care.  If it's 1 or 100, I still do not care. 

 

 

[SoCA6ft5]

1 minute ago, d9704011 said:

I'd say take with a salt lick!

Yes!  Also, most of the listings are from 2020.

[Jasukkie]

I think the data would show that passenger to passenger transmission onboard cruise ships is close to nil. Get rid of kids and the testing of asymptomatic vaccinated people and it would be nil.  I'm far more concerned about my flight to the cruise than I am the cruise itself. I'd still like the data though.

[taglovestocruise]

5 hours ago, cjmx said:

Biker19,

 

yes the CDC is showing many of the sailings with covid cases-  is it that hard to know the hard data?

and when he cdc says threshold ?  how many is the threshold for Red that would mean return to port?

 

0.10 % of passengers that have active covid will move a ship to red.

Yellow Ship Criteria

• Ship is at or above CDC’s investigation threshold:
  • Restricted Voyages:
    • Cases reported in 0.10% or more of passengers (e.g., if 6500* passengers on board, CDC’s investigation threshold is met if there are 7 or more cases among passengers occurring during the previous 7 days), or
      • This percentage includes passenger cases occurring within 5 days of disembarkation that CDC was notified of by state or local health departments.
    • One or more cases reported in crew.
  • Simulated Voyages:
    • Cases reported in 1.5% or more of passengers, or
    • Cases reported in 1.0% or more of crew.
  • Ships with Crew Only (i.e., not yet submitted requests for simulated voyages or applications for restricted voyages, pending CDC approval, or sailing at a later date).
    • Cases reported in 1.0% or more of crew.

Reaching a threshold will not automatically mean a ship must return to port.

• For a ship to be considered at Red status, the ship has:
  • sustained transmission of COVID-19 or CLI, or
  • potential for COVID-19 cases to overwhelm on board medical center resources.
• In addition, CDC will work closely with the cruise line and consider multiple factors before assigning a “Red” status to the ship. These factors may include, but are not limited to the following:
  • Percent of passengers and crew on board who are fully vaccinated.
  • Variants of concern are identified among cases on board.
  • Epidemiologic data from EDC reporting (e.g., symptomatic persons on board requiring medical care)
  • Epidemiologic links between cases.
  • Number of hospital beds, ventilators, oxygen, and other medical supplies on board relative to the number of cases on board.
  • Ship has not replied to CDC’s request for information within 48 hours.

 

[taglovestocruise]

6 hours ago, cjmx said:

it should be public knowledge and easily accessible.  I personally know that three families were affected on a recent cruise.  One family escorted off and the two others under quarantine   

but there was no reporting of the covid cases. Also, CDC has the color status yellow for the freedom of the seas  which means it is being monitored and could trun red. If it turns red that it returns to port

thanks

Turning red does not mean automatically returning to port.

Red Ship Criteria

• For a ship to be considered at Red status, the ship has:
  • sustained transmission of COVID-19 or CLI, or
  • potential for COVID-19 cases to overwhelm on board medical center resources.
• In addition, CDC will work closely with the cruise line and consider multiple factors before assigning a “Red” status to the ship. These factors may include, but are not limited to the following:
  • Percent of passengers and crew on board who are fully vaccinated.
  • Variants of concern are identified among cases on board.
  • Epidemiologic data from EDC reporting (e.g., symptomatic persons on board requiring medical care)
  • Epidemiologic links between cases.
  • Number of hospital beds, ventilators, oxygen, and other medical supplies on board relative to the number of cases on board.
  • Ship has not replied to CDC’s request for information within 48 hours.

 

[Sunshine3601]

4 hours ago, Seville2Cabo said:

Funny math???

Whoops!  I typed in a hurry and added 0 by mistake.

[Sunshine3601]

4 hours ago, d9704011 said:

Bad math... the number in the hypothetical scenario should be 20, not 200 and this is more 'likely' to happen.

Yes, I realize now I had a typo.  Sorry