Covid19 on Celebrity Edge

[NutsAboutGolf]

50 minutes ago, DingoMom said:

I am on the Edge now, and will be on next week as well. A couple of observations:

 

- Kids under 16 who are Not vaxxed (will be kids under 12 after Aug 1st) are NOT required to wear masks aboard ship. 
- in Cozumel, we could only get off the ship with a ship-sponsored ShoreEx. We could not walk around even the port area. But some of the ShoreEx trips allowed guests to stop and shop in the port area or in town before returning to the ship. Also, the Adventure of the Seas was docked right next to us, and they were allowed free rein in Cozumel. (Note, however, they began their cruise out of Nassau, and I don’t know what the Bahamian process is.)

- One un-vaxxed passenger was not wearing his mask correctly on night 1 in the casino. The pit boss spoke quietly to him. He (the passenger) half-pulled up his mask, started yelling and making rude and obnoxious comments, and still failed to cover his air holes. As he was escorted from the casino, he threw his chips onto a busy Craps table and was belligerent. I have not seen him since that night anywhere n the ship. Coincidence? 😳

Fyi for those wondering about Cozumel.  Capt Kate explained today why X cannot free roam and RCL can, RCL did test cruises and X did not.  Not sure why that matters to Cozumel but that is the answer.

[PS0DSH]

11 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

Would be nice if you provided verification of this.

Here ya go.  Out of 1000 breakthrough cases, 195 hospitalizations and 27 deaths.  So about 22% of breakthrough cases were severe in nature and 2.7% resulted in deaths

 

https://www.wkrn.com/news/1000-breakthrough-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-tennessee/

Edited July 29, 2021 by PS0DSH

[bouhunter]

27 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

Here ya go.  Out of 1000 breakthrough cases, 195 hospitalizations and 27 deaths.  So about 22% of breakthrough cases were severe in nature and 2.7% resulted in deaths

 

https://www.wkrn.com/news/1000-breakthrough-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-tennessee/

So if 2,642,000 people in TN have been vaxed and 27 died, death rate is .001%.  "Breakthrough" rate overall .03%.  Roughly .01% of the US population dies in auto accidents annually.

Edited July 29, 2021 by bouhunter

[Jim_Iain]

7 hours ago, Babr said:

MedJet is a good plan. Comprehensive travel insurance also provides for evacuation. Both have restrictions.

 

My point is that once the cruise lines end their Covid assistance plans, then passengers will have to change their expectations about how they will be treated if they test positive or become ill. At that point, it is up to the passenger and his insurance company to pay.  Don’t expect to be whisked away on a private jet.

Barb --  Thanks for your post and looking into MedJet -  you kicked  me into gear to look closer.

 

Do you or others know about GeoBlue  and comparison to MedJet.   GeoBlue Trekker Policy for 2 over 70 covers up to $100,000 in Medical and $500,000 for evacuation.   Maybe my eyes are going wonky but can't seem to find a $ max limit on MedJet.

 

It does look like MedJet will get you all the way home while other policies are to the closest medical facility in the U.S. 

 

Any advise from those that use either.  

[PS0DSH]

9 minutes ago, bouhunter said:

So if 2,642,000 people in TN have been vaxed and 27 died, death rate is .001%.  "Breakthrough" rate overall .03%.

You’re missing the point. The vaccine is supposed to greatly increase the survivability if you have a breakthrough infection. The survivability in this case is about 1/3 of what it is for those who are non-vaccinated and get infected.  Currently if a non-vaccinated person catches COVID-19, the chance of death is about .75%. For breakthrough cases it’s over three times that high, 2.7%

[CalTexCruiser]

3 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

You’re missing the point. The vaccine is supposed to greatly increase the survivability if you have a breakthrough infection. The survivability in this case is about 1/3 of what it is for those who are non-vaccinated and get infected.  Currently if a non-vaccinated person catches COVID-19, the chance of death is about .75%. For breakthrough cases it’s over three times that high, 2.7%

 

All I can say is I'd rather be on a cruise that is 100% vaccinated than one that is 100% unvaccinated.

 

As the old saying goes, there's lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics.  

[PS0DSH]

1 hour ago, Dwight1 said:

But what we are missing (as usual) is how many of those deaths in break thru cases had immune deficiency ? Initial studies are showing slightly more than half of break thru cases are from immune deficient people. It’s looking like these and others need a third shot due to Delta.

Oh my…. I need a third shot… OK. Go enjoy your third shot.  I personally know of 3 people, just today, who tested positive although they were fully vaccinated. None of them have pre-existing conditions, none of them are immune deficient.

[wrk2cruise]

GeoBlue will pay for evacuation to the closest medical facility capable of handling the injury/illness.   It also provides medical insurance while outside the US.    Further evacuation say to a US hospital would only be approved by GeoBlue if they and the attending facility agree that it's medically necessary that you can't be cared for locally.

 

Where Medjet comes in is in this second case as long as you are medically stable YOU can decide to be moved to a hospital of your choice.   I don't believe there is a $$ limit.

 

We currently use GeoBlue for annual medical and rely on Chase Sapphire Reserve and self insure for cancellation/trip interruption.   GeoBlue will pay for covid treatment but I don't believe for quarantine. 

 

I'm going to have to revisit if Celebrity doesn't extend it's assistance program that will get you home if you test positive while onboard.

[Babr]

13 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

Barb --  Thanks for your post and looking into MedJet -  you kicked  me into gear to look closer.

 

Do you or others know about GeoBlue  and comparison to MedJet.   GeoBlue Trekker Policy for 2 over 70 covers up to $100,000 in Medical and $500,000 for evacuation.   Maybe my eyes are going wonky but can't seem to find a $ max limit on MedJet.

 

It does look like MedJet will get you all the way home while other policies are to the closest medical facility in the U.S. 

 

Any advise from those that use either.  

MedJet is a transportation policy only. There is no cap- just the membership fee.

 

GeoBlue, however, provides medical as well as evacuation. So they really are not the same thing. MedJet is more of a supplement that gives you greater flexibility for evacuation, and many people pair it with other more comprehensive coverage.

[WonderMan3]

This thread is confusing to me,not sure if a couple different threads got merged here. So is Edge up to 2 or 3 people testing positive? Have all been removed from the ship?

[Jim_Iain]

Just now, wrk2cruise said:

GeoBlue will pay for evacuation to the closest medical facility capable of handling the injury/illness.   It also provides medical insurance while outside the US.    Further evacuation say to a US hospital would only be approved by GeoBlue if they and the attending facility agree that it's medically necessary that you can't be cared for locally.

 

Where Medjet comes in is in this second case as long as you are medically stable YOU can decide to be moved to a hospital of your choice.   I don't believe there is a $$ limit.

 

We currently use GeoBlue for annual medical and rely on Chase Sapphire Reserve and self insure for cancellation/trip interruption.   GeoBlue will pay for covid treatment but I don't believe for quarantine. 

 

I'm going to have to revisit if Celebrity doesn't extend it's assistance program that will get you home if you test positive while onboard.

 

Thanks --- I'm reading all the fine print and just found out something that is important.  ----

 

GeoBlue -  from their FAQ.    I also have GeoBlue but I guess we need to sort out if we want to add MedJet for peace of mind.    Cost for a  year is currently quoted at $399 for under 74

 

• I have a Voyager/Trekker travel plan. Am I covered for medical evacuations related to COVID-19?

  Medical evacuations due to COVID-19 are currently not covered under Voyager and Trekker plans.

[bouhunter]

16 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

You’re missing the point. The vaccine is supposed to greatly increase the survivability if you have a breakthrough infection. The survivability in this case is about 1/3 of what it is for those who are non-vaccinated and get infected.  Currently if a non-vaccinated person catches COVID-19, the chance of death is about .75%. For breakthrough cases it’s over three times that high, 2.7%

You're missing the point.  The percentage of fully vaxed being hospitalized or dying is VERY SMALL.  Regardless, that 2.7% is irrelevant.  There are likely tens of thousands of vaxed people in TN who got covid and were asymptomatic and never got tested.

Edited July 29, 2021 by bouhunter

[ItsADryHumor]

13 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

You’re missing the point. The vaccine is supposed to greatly increase the survivability if you have a breakthrough infection. The survivability in this case is about 1/3 of what it is for those who are non-vaccinated and get infected.  Currently if a non-vaccinated person catches COVID-19, the chance of death is about .75%. For breakthrough cases it’s over three times that high, 2.7%

That data (the .75%) was not for Delta. The 2.7 is. Data out of other countries has shown that Delta is more transmissible and often more severe; this data backs that up. 

[Babr]

6 minutes ago, wrk2cruise said:

GeoBlue will pay for evacuation to the closest medical facility capable of handling the injury/illness.   It also provides medical insurance while outside the US.    Further evacuation say to a US hospital would only be approved by GeoBlue if they and the attending facility agree that it's medically necessary that you can't be cared for locally.

 

Where Medjet comes in is in this second case as long as you are medically stable YOU can decide to be moved to a hospital of your choice.   I don't believe there is a $$ limit.

 

We currently use GeoBlue for annual medical and rely on Chase Sapphire Reserve and self insure for cancellation/trip interruption.   GeoBlue will pay for covid treatment but I don't believe for quarantine. 

 

I'm going to have to revisit if Celebrity doesn't extend it's assistance program that will get you home if you test positive while onboard.

Even MedJet will not transfer you if you are under a doctor or government quarantine. It may be that you have to wait it out until you are without those restrictions. 
 

[Jim_Iain]

3 minutes ago, Babr said:

Even MedJet will not transfer you if you are under a doctor or government quarantine. It may be that you have to wait it out until you are without those restrictions. 
 

 

Thanks.   I read that and would not expect to be transported if under a doctor or government quarantine.      I ended up subscribing out of an abundance of caution.  

 

Sorry to the OP for going off topic.

[SDN]

34 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

You’re missing the point. The vaccine is supposed to greatly increase the survivability if you have a breakthrough infection. The survivability in this case is about 1/3 of what it is for those who are non-vaccinated and get infected.  Currently if a non-vaccinated person catches COVID-19, the chance of death is about .75%. For breakthrough cases it’s over three times that high, 2.7%

Your numbers aren't making the point you are trying to make. The breakthrough cases that require hospitalization, 50% are over 60 years old (TN median age is 38.7). You are more likely to have a severe breakthrough if you are older.

 

https://www.wjhl.com/local-coronavirus-coverage/1000-breakthrough-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-tennessee/

 

I think (not sure) that you are trying to make a point that having a breakthrough case vaccinated is worse than having covid unvaccinated. As you can see, that is a ridiculous assertion.

 

TN Total deaths - 12,628

TN Breakthrough -      27

 

TN Total cases -  875,000

TN Breakthrough -   1,100

 

TN Total vaccinations - (5,567,501 / 2) = 2,783,750

TN Hospitalized Breakthrough                              195

Edited July 29, 2021 by SDN
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[NutsAboutGolf]

We’re flying at 22 kts for seemingly no reason, possibly we may be dropping off the other Covid positive passenger which I’m 100% okay with if they need medical attention.  We’ll probably find out any minute.  May have a second Florida sail away

[PS0DSH]

12 minutes ago, SDN said:

Your numbers aren't making the point you are trying to make. The breakthrough cases that require hospitalization, 50% are over 60 years old (TN median age is 38.7). You are more likely to have a severe breakthrough if you are older.

 

https://www.wjhl.com/local-coronavirus-coverage/1000-breakthrough-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-tennessee/

 

I think (not sure) that you are trying to make a point that having a breakthrough case vaccinated is worse than having covid unvaccinated. As you can see, that is a ridiculous assertion.

 

TN Total deaths - 12,628

TN Breakthrough -      27

 

TN Total cases -  875,000

TN Breakthrough -   1,100

Just FYI, the numbers you are using for total deaths and total cases are from the very beginning of the Covid outbreak. The vast majority of which, over 80%, occurred before vaccinations began.

[NutsAboutGolf]

28 minutes ago, WonderMan3 said:

This thread is confusing to me,not sure if a couple different threads got merged here. So is Edge up to 2 or 3 people testing positive? Have all been removed from the ship?

They’ve only announced two, one is off the ship, one is still on the ship

[PS0DSH]

15 minutes ago, SDN said:

Your numbers aren't making the point you are trying to make. The breakthrough cases that require hospitalization, 50% are over 60 years old (TN median age is 38.7). You are more likely to have a severe breakthrough if you are older.

 

https://www.wjhl.com/local-coronavirus-coverage/1000-breakthrough-cases-of-covid-19-reported-in-tennessee/

 

I think (not sure) that you are trying to make a point that having a breakthrough case vaccinated is worse than having covid unvaccinated. As you can see, that is a ridiculous assertion.

 

TN Total deaths - 12,628

TN Breakthrough -      27

 

TN Total cases -  875,000

TN Breakthrough -   1,100

 

TN Total vaccinations - (5,567,501 / 2) = 2,783,750

TN Hospitalized Breakthrough                              195

Just as the other person did, the numbers you were using are from the very beginning of Covid. About 85% of all of Tennessee’s cases and deaths occurred before vaccinations began. You should only be using the cases and deaths since vaccinations began. But I’m done arguing with you, bottom line, you can still catch Covid and you can still shed Covid after you’ve been vaccinated. And it appears that if you happen to get reinfected after you’ve been vaccinated, you have a higher likelihood of hospitalization and death.  Israel and the UK have found the same results in their statistics. But as I said, I’m done. I hope this all goes away and we can all start cruising happily again without restrictions

[Ken the cruiser]

40 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

Oh my…. I need a third shot… OK. Go enjoy your third shot.  I personally know of 3 people, just today, who tested positive although they were fully vaccinated. None of them have pre-existing conditions, none of them are immune deficient.

If I might ask, do your 3 friends have any idea how each of them caught it?

[SDN]

14 minutes ago, PS0DSH said:

Just FYI, the numbers you are using for total deaths and total cases are from the very beginning of the Covid outbreak. The vast majority of which, over 80%, occurred before vaccinations began.

Then just look at it since vaccine available. 

 

TN Total vaccinations - (5,567,501 / 2) = 2,783,750                       (assuming all 2 shot doses)

TN Hospitalized Breakthrough                              195

[canderson]

7 hours ago, AZjohn said:

Common sense would agree with this. But, yesterday the CDC "verbally" said the opposite without providing the data (wasn't that suppose to stop now?). 

 

The more this goes on the more I simply can't understand. I just don't think this thought was generated from anti-vac folks but agree that it can/will be used by them (sadly IMHO).

 

Need the facts CDC!

Stop?  Not ever, I'm afraid.  There isn't sufficient data (yet) because....

 

The CDC stopped tracking every breakthrough case in the U.S. on May 1, focusing just on those that result in hospitalization or death, a move physicians and scientists are increasingly criticizing.

 

“They don’t have good real-time reporting,” Gottlieb said. “We need to fix this, and this can be fixed. I mean we can properly resource them and build out better capabilities there.”

 

Gottlieb expects the CDC to improve its tracking of the delta variant in the coming months.

“They’ll come out with a very good analysis of this delta wave, who is getting infected and how probably in about four months, maybe a little longer than that,” he said.