ROYAL Up SOLD OUT

[Margaretealexander]

Just received the Royal up offer to upgrade my room to a suite. I currently have an aft balcony. However, when searching the rooms on the website it says the suites are all sold out. So why send me an upgrade offer when there’s nothing available? 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Margaretealexander
Bolder type

[gumshoe958]

Because there are always cancellations and no-shows, so even if suites are sold out today they might become available by sailing day.

[firefly333]

I'm sailing 12/12 and someone just posted yesterday they got a JS. Js have been sold out then back all the time. Royal up still going on for leaving next sunday.

[Biker19]

59 minutes ago, Margaretealexander said:

So why send me an upgrade offer when there’s nothing available? 

RCI can get marketing data with virtually no cost.

[Jenjohncourt]

55 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I'm sailing 12/12 and someone just posted yesterday they got a JS. Js have been sold out then back all the time. Royal up still going on for leaving next sunday.

I’m on the 12/12 sailing too. Junior suites became available again this week. 

[RFerrington]

The RoyalUp program is a pyramid scheme.  Even though there may not currently be any JS showing available (which doesn't really mean there aren't any "open", BTW) if someone in a JS wins a RU bid on a higher suite, it will make their JS available, and so on, down the line.  So don't be disheartened by thinking that there's no chance that you would win a RU bid.  Those things shuffle around and fill up from the bottom right up until sailing (or close to it).

[island lady]

With being able to cancel with out penalty at 48 hours before your sail date (or at least that is what I remember)....

 

Suites can show up at the last two days.  

[Joseph2017China]

a form of investment (illegal in the US and elsewhere) in which each paying participant recruits two further participants, with returns being given to early participants using money contributed by later ones. - So it is not a Pyramid scheme.  

 

Simply put, selling an empty cabin for money, or the highest bidder, is just a way to sell cabins, like when you go to the casino, but different since when you bet, and loose, you still keep you money you bet.

 

If you bet, and win, you pay the price of your bet.   If you loose, you loose nothing other than disappointment that you did not win.

[HicksRA]

Lose Joseph, not loose….

[cruisefan0110]

You are correct Joseph. If this was a pyramid scheme, it would be illegal to ask “Do you want fries with that”.  Up sells happen every where. 

[actuarian]

RU is so profitable for the cruise lines (and many cruise lines use the same system) because a single available room in a high category can result in many different bids being accepted.  If they get one cancellation (or one room that was previously held off the market) in a high category, it can result in 10-15 bids being accepted and that adds up to some serious revenue.  For example, a Royal Suite becomes available so A's bid to move up from an Owners Suite to a Royal Suite is accepted.  Now, that Owners Suite becomes available and B's bid to move up from a Grand Suite to an Owners Suite can be accepted even though there were  no Owners Suites available when B placed his or her bid.  This makes B's original Grand Suite available so C's bid to move up from a Junior Suite to a Grand Suite can be accepted.  This continues down the line until it ends when a bid to move up from an Inside Room to an Outside Room is accepted and the final inside room comes back on the market at the last minute.  It is not really a pyramid scheme because all of the revenue flows to the cruise line and everybody who's bid is accepted gets the upgrade that he or she pays for.  Instead, it it is an extremely profitable game of dominos.

[topnole]

2 hours ago, Joseph2017China said:

a form of investment (illegal in the US and elsewhere) in which each paying participant recruits two further participants, with returns being given to early participants using money contributed by later ones. - So it is not a Pyramid scheme.  

 

Simply put, selling an empty cabin for money, or the highest bidder, is just a way to sell cabins, like when you go to the casino, but different since when you bet, and loose, you still keep you money you bet.

 

If you bet, and win, you pay the price of your bet.   If you loose, you loose nothing other than disappointment that you did not win.

I don’t think he stated it was a pyramid investment scheme.  Obviously he meant it as a metaphor for each cabin type

higher up in the pyramid impacting the lower tier cabins in the Royal up scheme.   The pyramid is a good analogy because the higher up you go, the less cabins

of that type exist.  A Royal up in the top of the pyramid opens up spots lower in the pyramid and so on down the pyramid.   

[Scotty G]

5 hours ago, Margaretealexander said:

Just received the Royal up offer to upgrade my room to a suite. I currently have an aft balcony. However, when searching the rooms on the website it says the suites are all sold out. So why send me an upgrade offer when there’s nothing available? 

All ships are now sailing at restricted capacity. Sold Out means they have used all their allocated cabins. Based on changes in their booking system based on cancellations or ability to increase capacity for a particular cruise RCI can change availability. I like the term Rigidly Flexible to describe their ability to shift the goal line.

[Joseph2017China]

1 hour ago, topnole said:

I don’t think he stated it was a pyramid investment scheme.  Obviously he meant it as a metaphor for each cabin type

higher up in the pyramid impacting the lower tier cabins in the Royal up scheme.   The pyramid is a good analogy because the higher up you go, the less cabins

of that type exist.  A Royal up in the top of the pyramid opens up spots lower in the pyramid and so on down the pyramid.   

The RoyalUp program is a pyramid scheme. (sounds like he said it was a pyramid scheme). 

[Ashland]

2 hours ago, HicksRA said:

Lose Joseph, not loose….

Did you really need to post about a minor spelling error.

[2chiefs]

1 hour ago, Scotty G said:

<<<SNIP>>> I like the term Rigidly Flexible to describe their ability to shift the goal line.

I like "fluidly flexible"

[2chiefs]

20 minutes ago, Ashland said:

Did you really need to post about a minor spelling error.

And did you need to post that...??  And so it goes....  🙂 😀😃😆 

 

[John&LaLa]

2 minutes ago, 2chiefs said:

And did you need to post that...??  And so it goes....  🙂 😀😃😆 

 

 

Surprised no one directed the OP to the RoyalUp thread. 🤔😱🤣🤣

[LGW59]

26 minutes ago, Ashland said:

Did you really need to post about a minor spelling error.

Right, so ridiculous

[Merion_Mom]

4 hours ago, RFerrington said:

The RoyalUp program is a pyramid scheme.  Even though there may not currently be any JS showing available (which doesn't really mean there aren't any "open", BTW) if someone in a JS wins a RU bid on a higher suite, it will make their JS available, and so on, down the line.  So don't be disheartened by thinking that there's no chance that you would win a RU bid.  Those things shuffle around and fill up from the bottom right up until sailing (or close to it).

 

I think that the analogy you want is not "pyramid" but domino.  It's the domino effect.

[topnole]

1 minute ago, Merion_Mom said:

 

I think that the analogy you want is not "pyramid" but domino.  It's the domino effect.

That works too.  But pyramid is more appropriate IMO because the higher the cabin category, the less number of that type of cabin.  Cabin categories are much like stone blocks in a pyramid.  Many at the bottom and only a few at the very top.  Lots of Junior suites compared to star class suites for example.  
 

So maybe dominos on a pyramid?

[topnole]

46 minutes ago, Joseph2017China said:

The RoyalUp program is a pyramid scheme. (sounds like he said it was a pyramid scheme). 

He did use that phrase and provide the needed context for it to be obvious he wasn’t referring to it as an investment scheme.  
 

What was he supposed to do?   Call it a three dimensional triangle scheme?   Pyramid seems like the perfect word given the scenario (ratios of types of cabins) and the context and explanation he provided was spot on.  Anyone reading his post knows he wasn’t saying it some type of chain referral system.   If he provided no context it would be confusing.  But he did which made his point crystal clear and quite helpful IMO for those trying to understand the Royal up scheme.  

[furgoon]

 

[RFerrington]

32 minutes ago, Merion_Mom said:

 

I think that the analogy you want is not "pyramid" but domino.  It's the domino effect.

Actually, pyramid is correct....I guess scheme is the word that is inappropriate.  Of course, domino works, too.

[SRF]

How is it a pyramid.

 

One Royal Suite opens up.  Someone moves up from OS.  ONE OS is not open for someone to move up from a GS, which opens ONE GS for a JS to move up and so forth.

Definitely more domino than pyramid.

 

But great for RCI.  Even if the move is only $200 per cabin to upgrade ($100 pp double occupancy), that is $200 for OS to RS. $200 for the GS to OS.  And $200 for JS to GS.  And $200 for Balcony to JS.  And $200 for OV to Balcony.  And $200 for Interior to OV.

 

So one cancellation becomes $1000 for RCI for virtually no cost.  And the bids start higher than that.