Koningsdam cruises cancelled

[mame42]

Perhaps Seattle will send the K back where she came from to correct some of the "designed by a committee that has never been on a cruise" issues such as crowded seating and noise.

[Roz]

It's being redeployed to Ft. Lauderdale, so that's not the answer.

 

Roz

[ravinblue]

The HAL website shows a 14 day Baltic cruise 9/3/17 - 9/17/17 as the last posted cruise for the Koningsdam until a 12/20/17 Caribbean cruise. Nothing posted for 9/17 - 12/20. We were considering the transatlantic that was formerly posted as leaving Rome on 10/25/17, so I am anxious to see the new schedule.

[sail7seas]

Frank, Would you pleaase explain about keep an eye on ""s: ship schedules? Thanks. :)

Edited July 13, 2016 by sail7seas

[RuthC]

wOoudl you pleaase explain about keep an eye on ""s: ship schedules? Thanks. :)

If either or both the Veendam and Maasdam were to leave the fleet, those schedules would need covering. The Koningsdam, if remaining unscheduled, could be available to pick up some of the slack.

 

My understanding, though, is that the new Koningsdam schedule is to be published today or tomorrow.

[Alberta Quilter]

Frank, Would you pleaase explain about keep an eye on ""s: ship schedules? Thanks. :)

 

Not Frank but I think he means that more S ships might be sold/transferred. At least, that's how I interpreted his post. I could be wrong.

[sppunk]

Frank, Would you pleaase explain about keep an eye on ""s: ship schedules? Thanks. :)

I'm not Frank but my post and his are the same essentially.

 

I have a good feeling this move is in advance of the S ships leaving the fleet a few months before the new one coming onboard. They won't have the new ship on without eliminating the S ones which are very likely losing money hand over fist.

[Tampa Girl]

My guess would be to keep an eye on schedules for other ships (S class) in 2017 and see if their schedules suddenly stop.

 

I think that they already have. I have been looking for the 2017 fall TA cruises. Prior to yesterday, there were four or five (I think). Yesterday there were only two. The Oosterdam was one, and I don't remember the other, but it may have been either the Koningsdam or the Prinsendam.

[frankc98376]

Frank, Would you pleaase explain about keep an eye on ""s: ship schedules? Thanks. :)

 

Meant to keep an eye on the schedules in case the last 2 have been sold or are leaving. Nothing I've heard just thinking about possible reasons to move inventory around.

IMO it's no longer an "if" with S class it's "when and where"

Edited July 13, 2016 by frankc98376

[cruiselovers20]

Our TA forwarded us the letter HAL sent them and us re. the cancellation of the Konningsdam Oct 12 2017 cruise. They offered us 2 cruises for the same price we booked but they are in conflict with a Prinsendam cruise we also have booked. So - it is a cancel for us.

[RuthC]

Our TA forwarded us the letter HAL sent them and us re. the cancellation of the Konningsdam Oct 12 2017 cruise. They offered us 2 cruises for the same price we booked but they are in conflict with a Prinsendam cruise we also have booked. So - it is a cancel for us.

Consider this:

If you can find different cruises of the same number of days, something you are interested in that doesn't conflict with the Prinsendam cruise, see if HAL will allow that substitution for the 2 cruises they offered.

 

I've had a couple of cruises cancelled out from under me, and I wasn't interested in what they wanted to give instead. I found other cruises that were comparable, asked if they would give me those, and they did.

 

Worth a try.

[SetAnOpenCourse]

Do you think it may have to do with North Americans not wanting to fly to Europe and visit because of perceived terrorist threats? Maybe HAL thinks they can fill the ship quicker by keeping it closer to where their customer base is.

 

Roz

 

Perhaps for the same reasons Europeans also prefer an alternate region.

[Gail & Marty sailing away]

If either or both the Veendam and Maasdam were to leave the fleet, those schedules would need covering. The Koningsdam, if remaining unscheduled, could be available to pick up some of the slack.

 

My understanding, though, is that the new Koningsdam schedule is to be published today or tomorrow.

 

That would be great.

[mkl55]

My itinerary is showing a revision on my HAL account page.

 

Original itinerary was: Revised

9-28-17 At Sea Barcelona

9-29-17 Civitavecchia Palma de Mallorca, Spain

 

New cruise days added:

9-30-17 Sea Day

10-1-17 Ajaccio, Corsica, France

10-2-17 Livorno (Florence/Pisa) Italy

10-3-17 Civitavecchia

 

There is still no communication either from HAL or from my TA, nor are any updated K'dam itineraries posted. Perhaps they are trying to sort the people who have been negatively impacted first.

 

Apparently there is a new fairy in town. The Port Fairy has been most generous to us with these changes but I fear she may be a fickle one. I hope those whose plans have been disrupted find a satisfactory resolution and the schedule moves forward without further disruption. Stay tuned and I will update as any news arrives.

 

Thank you to all who posted as it certainly helps to be informed before one is officially informed.

[mkl55]

Oh, dear. Formatting got muddled when I posted.

Let's try this.

 

9-28 was changed from a sea day to a stop in Barcelona. The 29th was changed to Palma de Mallorca Spain from the original disembark port of Rome. I think the added days came out ok. Sorry if any confusion was caused.

[mame42]

My TA is exploring the possibility of jumping ship from the King in Livorno and driving to Civitavecchia to pick up the Westy the same day.

[souris mini]

Hi

This is my new Koningsdam booking.

Before it was 27 days

Now 31 days.

 

SUN 17SEP17 Sail from Amsterdam, The Netherlands 4:00pm

 

MON 18SEP17 Sea Day

 

TUE 19SEP17 Portland, England, United Kingdom 7:00am 7:00pm

 

WED 20SEP17 Sea Day

 

THU 21SEP17 A Coruna, Spain 8:00am 5:00pm

 

FRI 22SEP17 Leixoes (Porto), Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SAT 23SEP17 Lisbon, Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SUN 24SEP17 Huelva (Seville), Spain 9:00am 7:00pm

 

MON 25SEP17 Gibraltar, British Territory 10:00am 11:00pm

 

TUE 26SEP17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

WED 27SEP17 Cartagena, Spain 7:00am 4:00pm

 

THU 28SEP17 Barcelona, Spain 10:00am 11:00pm

 

FRI 29SEP17 Palma de Mallorca, Spain 9:00am 9:00pm

 

SAT 30SEP17 Sea Day

 

SUN 01OCT17 Ajaccio, Corsica, France 8:00am 5:00pm

 

MON 02OCT17 Livorno (Florence/Pisa), Italy 7:00am 7:00pm

 

TUE 03OCT17 Civitavecchia (Rome), Italy 7:00am 4:00pm

 

WED 04OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 05OCT17 Alicante, Spain 8:00am 4:00pm

 

FRI 06OCT17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SAT 07OCT17 Cadiz (Seville), Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SUN 08OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 09OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 1 8:00am

 

TUE 10OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 4:00pm

 

WED 11OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 12OCT17 Sea Day

 

FRI 13OCT17 Sea Day

 

SAT 14OCT17 Sea Day

 

SUN 15OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 16OCT17 Sea Day

 

TUE 17OCT17 Sea Day

 

WED 18OCT17 Debark Ship Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US 7:00am

[kazu]

Hi

This is my new Koningsdam booking.

Before it was 27 days

Now 31 days.

 

SUN 17SEP17 Sail from Amsterdam, The Netherlands 4:00pm

 

MON 18SEP17 Sea Day

 

TUE 19SEP17 Portland, England, United Kingdom 7:00am 7:00pm

 

WED 20SEP17 Sea Day

 

THU 21SEP17 A Coruna, Spain 8:00am 5:00pm

 

FRI 22SEP17 Leixoes (Porto), Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SAT 23SEP17 Lisbon, Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SUN 24SEP17 Huelva (Seville), Spain 9:00am 7:00pm

 

MON 25SEP17 Gibraltar, British Territory 10:00am 11:00pm

 

TUE 26SEP17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

WED 27SEP17 Cartagena, Spain 7:00am 4:00pm

 

THU 28SEP17 Barcelona, Spain 10:00am 11:00pm

 

FRI 29SEP17 Palma de Mallorca, Spain 9:00am 9:00pm

 

SAT 30SEP17 Sea Day

 

SUN 01OCT17 Ajaccio, Corsica, France 8:00am 5:00pm

 

MON 02OCT17 Livorno (Florence/Pisa), Italy 7:00am 7:00pm

 

TUE 03OCT17 Civitavecchia (Rome), Italy 7:00am 4:00pm

 

WED 04OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 05OCT17 Alicante, Spain 8:00am 4:00pm

 

FRI 06OCT17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SAT 07OCT17 Cadiz (Seville), Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SUN 08OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 09OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 1 8:00am

 

TUE 10OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 4:00pm

 

WED 11OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 12OCT17 Sea Day

 

FRI 13OCT17 Sea Day

 

SAT 14OCT17 Sea Day

 

SUN 15OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 16OCT17 Sea Day

 

TUE 17OCT17 Sea Day

 

WED 18OCT17 Debark Ship Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US 7:00am

 

An overnight in Madeira (Fuchal)!!! How VERY nice!!! Such a beautiful spot :)

[sail7seas]

Hi

This is my new Koningsdam booking.

Before it was 27 days

Now 31 days.

 

SUN 17SEP17 Sail from Amsterdam, The Netherlands 4:00pm

 

MON 18SEP17 Sea Day

 

TUE 19SEP17 Portland, England, United Kingdom 7:00am 7:00pm

 

WED 20SEP17 Sea Day

 

THU 21SEP17 A Coruna, Spain 8:00am 5:00pm

 

FRI 22SEP17 Leixoes (Porto), Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SAT 23SEP17 Lisbon, Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SUN 24SEP17 Huelva (Seville), Spain 9:00am 7:00pm

 

MON 25SEP17 Gibraltar, British Territory 10:00am 11:00pm

 

TUE 26SEP17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

WED 27SEP17 Cartagena, Spain 7:00am 4:00pm

 

THU 28SEP17 Barcelona, Spain 10:00am 11:00pm

 

FRI 29SEP17 Palma de Mallorca, Spain 9:00am 9:00pm

 

SAT 30SEP17 Sea Day

 

SUN 01OCT17 Ajaccio, Corsica, France 8:00am 5:00pm

 

MON 02OCT17 Livorno (Florence/Pisa), Italy 7:00am 7:00pm

 

TUE 03OCT17 Civitavecchia (Rome), Italy 7:00am 4:00pm

 

WED 04OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 05OCT17 Alicante, Spain 8:00am 4:00pm

 

FRI 06OCT17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SAT 07OCT17 Cadiz (Seville), Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SUN 08OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 09OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 1 8:00am

 

TUE 10OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 4:00pm

 

WED 11OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 12OCT17 Sea Day

 

FRI 13OCT17 Sea Day

 

SAT 14OCT17 Sea Day

 

SUN 15OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 16OCT17 Sea Day

 

TUE 17OCT17 Sea Day

 

WED 18OCT17 Debark Ship Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US 7:00am

 

Ni ce igtinerary. Cadiz, Sev illa, Malaaga, Lisbon really good. Giberalter is so much like St. Thomas. :D

Edited July 14, 2016 by sail7seas

[DeeniEncinitas]

Hi

This is my new Koningsdam booking.

Before it was 27 days

Now 31 days.

 

SUN 17SEP17 Sail from Amsterdam, The Netherlands 4:00pm

 

MON 18SEP17 Sea Day

 

TUE 19SEP17 Portland, England, United Kingdom 7:00am 7:00pm

 

WED 20SEP17 Sea Day

 

THU 21SEP17 A Coruna, Spain 8:00am 5:00pm

 

FRI 22SEP17 Leixoes (Porto), Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SAT 23SEP17 Lisbon, Portugal 8:00am 5:00pm

 

SUN 24SEP17 Huelva (Seville), Spain 9:00am 7:00pm

 

MON 25SEP17 Gibraltar, British Territory 10:00am 11:00pm

 

TUE 26SEP17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

WED 27SEP17 Cartagena, Spain 7:00am 4:00pm

 

THU 28SEP17 Barcelona, Spain 10:00am 11:00pm

 

FRI 29SEP17 Palma de Mallorca, Spain 9:00am 9:00pm

 

SAT 30SEP17 Sea Day

 

SUN 01OCT17 Ajaccio, Corsica, France 8:00am 5:00pm

 

MON 02OCT17 Livorno (Florence/Pisa), Italy 7:00am 7:00pm

 

TUE 03OCT17 Civitavecchia (Rome), Italy 7:00am 4:00pm

 

WED 04OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 05OCT17 Alicante, Spain 8:00am 4:00pm

 

FRI 06OCT17 Malaga, Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SAT 07OCT17 Cadiz (Seville), Spain 8:00am 6:00pm

 

SUN 08OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 09OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 1 8:00am

 

TUE 10OCT17 Funchal (Madeira), Portugal 4:00pm

 

WED 11OCT17 Sea Day

 

THU 12OCT17 Sea Day

 

FRI 13OCT17 Sea Day

 

SAT 14OCT17 Sea Day

 

SUN 15OCT17 Sea Day

 

MON 16OCT17 Sea Day

 

TUE 17OCT17 Sea Day

 

WED 18OCT17 Debark Ship Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US 7:00am

 

 

WOW!!!!!

This is a winner for me 👍!

Great itinerary. Funchal overnight a plus!!!

Denise:)

[josumello]

I am curious. Is this a b2b cruise or a continuous cruise. Great itinerary.

 

TIA

 

Sue

 

 

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[Cruise Junky]

ah, figures! if Barcelona had been on the original Amsterdam to Rome itinerary we wouldn't have cancelled it. Oh well, too late now. Nice itinerary.

[souris mini]

I am curious. Is this a b2b cruise or a continuous cruise. Great itinerary.

 

TIA

 

Sue

 

 

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Hi,

 

It is a B2B

First segment finishes 3 oct 2017 in Civitavecchia

Then second segment is the transat

 

Francine

[mkl55]

So tempted to add the TA to the end of our cruise.

[Heartgrove]

Do you think it may have to do with North Americans not wanting to fly to Europe and visit because of perceived terrorist threats? Maybe HAL thinks they can fill the ship quicker by keeping it closer to where their customer base is.

 

Roz

 

Add Europeans choosing other holiday areas as well. Other cruise lines (Aida, TUI, other could have as well) have redeployed ships already this season from the Eastern Mediterranean. Aida has begun to book two and four day cruises from Kiel to stimulate their market.

 

I believe that could be the reason of redeploying the Koningsdam. For example, this year's 12-Night Greek and Turkish Treasures is barely 25% booked.