Cigarette came on to balcony - burned shirt.

[A&L_Ont]

I'll take note in twelve days.....:)

 

And 6 weeks Sunday I will too.:D

[karl_nj]

Another problem are those who post fictitious rules, and I completely agree with you. RCL told me over the phone that leaving clothing and towels on the balcony isn't a fire hazard.

 

It may not be a fire hazard, but leaving anything on the balcony is against the Guest Conduct Policy:

 

http://www.royalcaribbean.com/content/en_US/pdf/Guest_Conduct_Policy.pdf

 

Save the Waves®Program and Trash/Waste DisposalRoyal Caribbean International maintains a Save the Waves®Program that focuses on three keyprinciples: Reducing the creation or generation of waste materials; recycling as much aspossible; and ensuring proper disposal of remaining waste. Trash should be properly disposed ofin containers provided throughout the ship or in wastebaskets provided in each stateroom. Trashor other foreign objects should never be flushed down a toilet and guests are not permitted todiscard any item overboard. Guests may not leave items unattended on balconies, as the windmay cause items to fall overboard.

[JAMESCC]

It may not be a fire hazard, but leaving anything on the balcony is against the Guest Conduct Policy:

 

http://www.royalcaribbean.com/content/en_US/pdf/Guest_Conduct_Policy.pdf

 

Save the Waves[emoji768]Program and Trash/Waste DisposalRoyal Caribbean International maintains a Save the Waves[emoji768]Program that focuses on three keyprinciples: Reducing the creation or generation of waste materials; recycling as much aspossible; and ensuring proper disposal of remaining waste. Trash should be properly disposed ofin containers provided throughout the ship or in wastebaskets provided in each stateroom. Trashor other foreign objects should never be flushed down a toilet and guests are not permitted todiscard any item overboard. Guests may not leave items unattended on balconies, as the windmay cause items to fall overboard.

And ya know jaywalking is as bad a crime as murder right? I mean let's be real here. A cigarette can cause a fire killing people. A shirt left out on a balcony while it's against the rules probably won't kill anyone.

 

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[ckrobyn]

I'll take note in twelve days.....:)

 

 

 

Have a great cruise! [emoji41]

 

 

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[BlueHerons]

Anything left on balconies aside from heavy furniture is a threat to sea life when it blows off your balcony.

[riclop]

People just don't follow rules.

[jacketwatch]

And ya know jaywalking is as bad a crime as murder right? I mean let's be real here. A cigarette can cause a fire killing people. A shirt left out on a balcony while it's against the rules probably won't kill anyone.

 

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Indeed. The issue is a potential fire which could kill vs. a swimsuit or t-shirt blown overboard.

[Ocean Boy]

Have a great cruise! [emoji41]

 

 

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Thanks, how is yours going? Do you have a thread running? If so, I missed it. As I recall, last winter you had a great week and a couple of weeks later it was rain and wind for me the whole week.

[jgd3rdbcfd]

Many years ago, Princess had a fire caused by a cigarette thrown overboard which landed on clothing on a balcony. It caused a major fire. Check out Star Princess fire.

[chengkp75]

Many years ago, Princess had a fire caused by a cigarette thrown overboard which landed on clothing on a balcony. It caused a major fire. Check out Star Princess fire.

 

Please see post #74 in this thread:

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=55065722&postcount=74

 

As someone who studies things like cruise ship fires from a professional viewpoint, the Star Princess fire may have been caused by a cigarette, but the incident investigation board concluded that since they found no evidence of any cause, it is assumed that the cause was a cigarette.

[nealstuber]

My post was to remind others not to throw the lit cigarettes over, not to debate my leaving a shirt on the balcony.

 

 

 

An item on the balcony is only a fire hazard if someone throws a lighted cigarette over board...

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

M

 

 

Not true. We’ve seen sparks fly from the crew welding and grinding.

 

There are rules against what you did and what the smoker did. Complaining about one fire safety rule being broken and then rationalizing your breaking of a fire safety rule ain’t right.

 

 

 

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[fred30]

How is a shirt, or lets say a towel, left on a balcony a fire hazard but the same shirt or towel left in a cabin is not a fire hazard? Most shirts and towels do not spontaneously combust. The fire hazard is the cigarette discarded by the inconsiderate and thoughtless smoker.

 

 

Inside the cabins there are smoke detectors and a sprinkler system to automatically detect, notify and deal with fires. On the balconies a fire goes on unchecked or extinguished.

[A&L_Ont]

Not true. We’ve seen sparks fly from the crew welding and grinding.

 

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If the crew are welding and grinding they will have a fire crew with them. It might be as simple as a crew member with a fire extinguisher but they will be there.

 

Edit to add: it will be no different than dry dock as the last thing they want is a fire.

[bouhunter]

Anything left on balconies aside from heavy furniture is a threat to sea life when it blows off your balcony.

 

Indeed. Stray floating t-shirts have been established as a primary threat to endangered ocean species.............:rolleyes:

[Ocean Boy]

Inside the cabins there are smoke detectors and a sprinkler system to automatically detect, notify and deal with fires. On the balconies a fire goes on unchecked or extinguished.

Oh I get it, somehow the fire detector and sprinkler system in the cabin render the shirt and towel no longer a fire hazard like they were on the balcony.

[BillOh]

Anything left on balconies aside from heavy furniture is a threat to sea life when it blows off your balcony.

[Duffys wife 1957]

We sailed on in a GS on Freedom a few weeks ago. Right next door there were smokers on the Balcony. Every time we were on the Balcony we could smell the smoke. After 3 days of constantly complaining to the room steward and our concierge. We went to our concierge and she went to the room with security. They told the people in the cabin that the first time caught smoking it was a warning, second was 250.00 fine, 3rd warning they were off the ship. They told us that they needed us to call security as soon as we smelled it again... Miraculously we never smelled smoke again the rest of the trip.. Again when we reported it they all knew exactly who we were talking about... :rolleyes:

Moral of the story...Keep reporting them until they do something about it.. Would I do it again? You betcha!!!!

[Smyles]

Leaving an item on the balcony cannot, in itself, cause a problem for the ship.

M

 

But by this same thinking, throwing a cigarette over board, in itself, will not cause a problem for the ship. I agree leaving the shirt out on the balcony is the lesser of 2 evils but it is against policy for this exact scenario. It is a joint effort to keep everyone and the ship safe.

[Ocean Boy]

But by this same thinking, throwing a cigarette over board, in itself, will not cause a problem for the ship. I agree leaving the shirt out on the balcony is the lesser of 2 evils but it is against policy for this exact scenario. It is a joint effort to keep everyone and the ship safe.

Right, as long as the person who throws it ensures that it lands in the water and not somewhere else. How would you suggest that they accomplish that?

[sunbrookgal]

I agree and this includes those who leave personal stuff on the balcony unattended, as this is obviously a fire hazard as well.

 

The Star Princess, do you not remember? Smoking in non approved areas is a DANGER for ALL.

[chengkp75]

The Star Princess, do you not remember? Smoking in non approved areas is a DANGER for ALL.

 

Please see post #74 on this thread:

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=55065722&postcount=74

 

Please stop trying to justify banning smoking using the Star Princess. There is no evidence that the Star Princess fire was or was not caused by a cigarette. There was no definitive cause determined.

[Milwaukee Eight]

Please see post #74 on this thread:

 

 

 

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=55065722&postcount=74

 

 

 

Please stop trying to justify banning smoking using the Star Princess. There is no evidence that the Star Princess fire was or was not caused by a cigarette. There was no definitive cause determined.

 

 

 

Thank you. I’m a non smoker and hate smoking but I also appreciate FACTS.

 

 

 

 

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[griffy116]

May I suggest that since the shirt had been left on the balcony because of the smoke it absorbed while going through the smoking in the casino, and the cigarette butt wasn't found on the shirt or the balcony, maybe you bumped into the lit cigarette of a smoker in the casino and that's where the hole was burned. It would seem logical that if the cigarette laid on the fabric long enough to burn a hole, it would likely have still been on the shirt or on the balcony. We don't actually know if it was a burn caused by a cigarette or how it occurred. Everyone has just gone with your theory that a cigarette was tossed or dropped from a balcony above you.

[CanadaRob]

May I suggest that since the shirt had been left on the balcony because of the smoke it absorbed while going through the smoking in the casino, and the cigarette butt wasn't found on the shirt or the balcony, maybe you bumped into the lit cigarette of a smoker in the casino and that's where the hole was burned. It would seem logical that if the cigarette laid on the fabric long enough to burn a hole, it would likely have still been on the shirt or on the balcony. We don't actually know if it was a burn caused by a cigarette or how it occurred. Everyone has just gone with your theory that a cigarette was tossed or dropped from a balcony above you.

 

Hmmm alternate theory?

The grassy knoll? 2 shooters?

[jacketwatch]

I don't think you can apply the same emphasis to careless disposal of a lit cigarette and at that from a non-smoking area to leaving items of clothing on a balcony. Of course not. Recently on the Ovation we were given letters to remove clothing from our balconies on a specific day so work crews could have no access problem to do cleaning. It was never said in any way that at all times there should be nothing left on the balcony. Just that one day. Its like formal night dress codes which in reality nowadays are just a suggestion. However strict guidelines about smoking and about mandatory attendance of lifeboat drills are not suggestions. They are enforced and for good reason.