clo Posted June 24, 2019 #151 Share Posted June 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, JennyB1977 said: The Art of Conversation has fallen by the wayside. When I was young we traveled quite a bit and even lived overseas for a bit. My parents encouraged my sister and I (when appropriate - there was a lot of "girls go and play") to listen to the adult conversation. We were curious and luckily the adults were courteous and informative. I also was on the debate team in high school and learned to rely on FACTS, rather than emotion. True conversation, not idle chit chat, takes work on both parties. First, being the ability to LISTEN. Second, the ability to express your beliefs. This to be done in a thoughtful manner. Thoughtful in this instance being two fold; one, you have put thought into your belief and two, you are conscious of those to whom you are speaking. Lastly, the ability to question the reasons behind the thoughts shared by others. In my opinion, this is not something that has deteriorated in 2-3 years. This has transpired over decades. As someone mentioned earlier, most folks take what they read in a headline or hear on a "teaser" as fact. There is very little research and thought put into beliefs. This leads to uninformed beliefs on any number of issues. Part of the issue is we are inundated (internet, television, radio) with inaccurate information. Newspapers and news programs used to be unbiased, reliable vessels for facts. Currently, we must seek information beyond what we're "fed". The truth is whether the lack of seeking is due to laziness, time constraints, blind trust, etc., it's happening/happened. In the last 3-1/2 years I've said countless times: "I don't care what you think/feel/believe. I'm only interested in facts." That's been after 'they' told me how they "think/feel/believe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted June 24, 2019 #152 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, slidergirl said: Now, do you wear your baseball hat into the MDR It drives me nuts, do you hear me NUTS?!?!?, to see any hat being worn in a restaurant! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorex Posted June 24, 2019 #153 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I suppose the companion question to "how to avoid politics at the dinner table" is "how to avoid politics on cruise critic." It seems that there are some people who just can't do either. May they all be seated together on every cruise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnocket Posted June 24, 2019 #154 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Shorex said: I suppose the companion question to "how to avoid politics at the dinner table" is "how to avoid politics on cruise critic." It seems that there are some people who just can't do either. May they all be seated together on every cruise. Amen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed01106 Posted June 24, 2019 #155 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, slidergirl said: Now, do you wear your baseball hat into the MDR to assist with starting table conversation??? 😉 No, I don’t wear a baseball hat to the MDR. buffet-yes, MDR-no. MDR deserves a fedora or top hat. But this thread is contentious enough, the only topic more heated than politics among cruisers is dress code, so lets not go there. 🙂🙂🙂🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted June 24, 2019 #156 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, slidergirl said: Yeah, I had to work at the Front Desk that night, so I couldn't sneak in and listen to them. Well, just about everyone has open seating options now. I just don't like to start out at one table, get insulted or bored and have to move... HAL also offers open seating. I now ask for and enjoy a two top f or myself as a solo traveler. sail.noordam@gmail.com Edited June 24, 2019 by sail7seas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofarfromthesea Posted June 24, 2019 #157 Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 2:50 PM, SteveH2508 said: Slightly off topic but anyway: I was sitting in the smoking area enjoying a cigar and a beer when an American gentleman approached me. He was genuinely interested in Brexit and the shenanigans surrounding it. He was genuinely interested in why we had as a nation voted for Brexit. We had a lovely hour or so conversation about all of what had gone on and how it was being reported in the States. Interestingly, the press coverage in the States about Brexit seemed to be ‘selective’ to say the least. I do wonder whether the media coverage of things in the US has a lot to answer for in terms of people not fully appreciating all sides of the various arguments and issues. He left with a much more nuanced understanding of the issues – and Trump/Clinton issues didn’t come up at all! Nah, Brits and the British press get just as slanted a view of American issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofarfromthesea Posted June 24, 2019 #158 Share Posted June 24, 2019 12 hours ago, tip said: I avoid anyone wearing a MAGA hat.😉 Another one who just can't help themselves - with 4 others. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofarfromthesea Posted June 24, 2019 #159 Share Posted June 24, 2019 10 hours ago, GUT2407 said: But is it a style of hat, or printed on it. It was a campaign device of Trump. A red golf hat hat with those words. These people who just can't help injecting politics here are probably the same ones who can't help themselves on a cruise, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofarfromthesea Posted June 24, 2019 #160 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, ed01106 said: It makes my position on Trump very clear. You might want to seek treatment for your inability to exercise the slightest control over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toofarfromthesea Posted June 24, 2019 #161 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Fascinating, the way this thread demonstrates how many people just have no restraint. This thread turned into a great example of exactly the kind of obnoxious behavior this thread is about. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare c-boy Posted June 24, 2019 #162 Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/22/2019 at 6:54 PM, GUT2407 said: So have I got it right, no politics on the ship, but fine to talk all about it here on CC??? awww the amenity the internet provides. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted June 24, 2019 #163 Share Posted June 24, 2019 On 6/23/2019 at 8:09 AM, sail7seas said: One has to b e careful these days about TMI 🤐 I thought I replied to this yesterday but I don't see it. What would be an example of TMI? It's not like I'd give our home address, credit card #, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted June 24, 2019 #164 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Toofarfromthesea said: It was a campaign device of Trump. A red golf hat hat with those words. It is also a simple, low cost yet extremely effective weapon to drive the other camp and the liberal media nut. Works great to this day as evidenced in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted June 24, 2019 #165 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Toofarfromthesea said: Fascinating, the way this thread demonstrates how many people just have no restraint. This thread turned into a great example of exactly the kind of obnoxious behavior this thread is about. True - it is difficult to say which end of the political spectrum is less tolerant of the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted June 24, 2019 #166 Share Posted June 24, 2019 All things aside, we should be thankful we can have non physical political pissing match or wear certain head gear at dinner table. In many parts of the world, political dissent or simply holding a different opinion can easily earn you a one way ticket to the nearest reeducation camp or far worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted June 24, 2019 #167 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, sfaaa said: All things aside, we should be thankful we can have non physical political pissing match or wear certain head gear at dinner table. In many parts of the world, political dissent or simply holding a different opinion can easily earn you a one way ticket to the nearest reeducation camp or far worse. I would like to reeducate those who wear hats in a restaurant. lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted June 24, 2019 #168 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Just now, clo said: I would like to reeducate those who wear hats in a restaurant. lol. By all means but straightly non physical please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwcruisers Posted June 24, 2019 #169 Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, sfaaa said: All things aside, we should be thankful we can have non physical political pissing match or wear certain head gear at dinner table. In many parts of the world, political dissent or simply holding a different opinion can easily earn you a one way ticket to the nearest reeducation camp or far worse. LOL -- when I was growing up, wearing ANY sort of headgear to the table would earn you a one-way ticket to the wood-shed! 😱 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed01106 Posted June 24, 2019 #170 Share Posted June 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, clo said: I would like to reeducate those who wear hats in a restaurant. lol. That is a Christian value. Other religions require constant head covering. Or head coverings when eating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted June 24, 2019 #171 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, ed01106 said: That is a Christian value. Other religions require constant head covering. Or head coverings when eating. Baseball caps or specific head coverings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed01106 Posted June 25, 2019 #172 Share Posted June 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, clo said: Baseball caps or specific head coverings? I don’t know about every religion... In the Jewish religion, the requirement for men is any head covering is acceptable, many choose a kippot because it is the lightest head covering that meets the requirement, but a baseball cap, cowboy hat, or fedora would meet the religious requirement as well. And many particularly in public choose something other than a kippot. For Muslin women the requirement is that their hair be covered. There is no specific requirement that it be a head scarf, although it is extremely rare for them to choose something else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted June 25, 2019 #173 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Sikhs wear turbans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted June 25, 2019 #174 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, OzKiwiJJ said: Sikhs wear turbans. Don'tcha think that it's the rare person who wears a baseball cap for religious reasons? But I appreciate this convo. BTW, I'm from the US South and it has a 'religion' of its own when it comes to what's correct/proper and not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed01106 Posted June 25, 2019 #175 Share Posted June 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, clo said: Don'tcha think that it's the rare person who wears a baseball cap for religious reasons? But I appreciate this convo. BTW, I'm from the US South and it has a 'religion' of its own when it comes to what's correct/proper and not. A Jewish male most certainly could wear a baseball cap for religious reasons on a cruise. Wearing a baseball cap meets the requirements of his religion and stands out less than a keppot. Would be too informal of a head covering to wear to the MDR for dinner (except maybe NCL) but lunch buffet it would make perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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