ONECRUISER Posted January 14, 2020 #2576 Share Posted January 14, 2020 5 hours ago, wl2cruise said: Possible but I'm not holding my breath. I think she will be at a huge disadvantage against NCL and Carnival but that all depends on what itienary she does. As said many times on here Royal never seemed to, has or wanted compete with Carnival/NCL over West Coast. Royal ships sail over 110% Capacity in other locations. Now me, I'd take a Radiance Class ship over any NCL or Carnival. Families inc mine like the Amusement Parks at Sea, Oasis/Quantum Classes included, but still enough of us like the mid-sized Radiance Class ships... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida_cruisers Posted January 14, 2020 #2577 Share Posted January 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, wl2cruise said: Spectrum I think that they will replace Spectrum with Wonder for our cruise to Japan out of Shanghai. Now I wonder if the itinerary will be the same. I am disappointed because I wanted to try a Quantum class ship. We’ll see what they come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
springaussie Posted January 14, 2020 #2578 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I can book Spectrum May 2021 from Australia on the Royal Caribbean website. But none in June 2021. Your cruise maybe a charter? Which date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida_cruisers Posted January 14, 2020 #2579 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, springaussie said: I can book Spectrum May 2021 from Australia on the Royal Caribbean website. But none in June 2021. Your cruise maybe a charter? Which date? May 30, 2021. It was supposed to be out of Shanghai to Japan for 7 nights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichellePerth Posted January 14, 2020 #2580 Share Posted January 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Florida_cruisers said: May 30, 2021. It was supposed to be out of Shanghai to Japan for 7 nights Wonder should be in Asia around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted January 14, 2020 #2581 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 2:32 PM, Chiliburn said: It was on royal Caribbean blog about 8 months ago. Someone posted a link to a site that broke down corporate revenue and it broke down Royal Caribbean revenues. Ships ,before cruise,onboard. And the pacific was the most dynamic. I found some 2018 revenue data. It is here: https://cruisemarketwatch.com/ship-revenue/ Select the corporate entity in the drop down box. Here's the revenue figures for the ships that home-ported in Sydney for the southern summers: Ovation: $444m (higher than Allure $423m, Oasis $404m, Anthem $371m and Quantum $366m). Radiance $257m (higher than Indy $256m, Liberty $245m and much more than the other Radiance class ships). Explorer $318m (higher than all other Voyager class ships). In Australia only 2018/2019? Voyager $234m (higher than all the remaining Voyager class ships). Celebrity Solstice tops the revenue figures for that brand with $367m. Based on these figures, it's no surprise that Royal is ramping up capacity in Australia and Alaska. This combination is a gold mine. Bring on Quantum. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichellePerth Posted January 14, 2020 #2582 Share Posted January 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, geoff2802 said: I found some 2018 revenue data. It is here: https://cruisemarketwatch.com/ship-revenue/ Select the corporate entity in the drop down box. Here's the revenue figures for the ships that home-ported in Sydney for the southern summers: Ovation: $444m (higher than Allure $423m, Oasis $404m, Anthem $371m and Quantum $366m). Radiance $257m (higher than Indy $256m, Liberty $245m and much more than the other Radiance class ships). Explorer $318m (higher than all other Voyager class ships). In Australia only 2018/2019? Voyager $234m (higher than all the remaining Voyager class ships). Celebrity Solstice tops the revenue figures for that brand with $367m. Based on these figures, it's no surprise that Royal is ramping up capacity in Australia and Alaska. This combination is a gold mine. Bring on Quantum. They could easily sell out 3 or 4 Australian circumnavigations per year at high rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted January 14, 2020 #2583 Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, geoff2802 said: I found some 2018 revenue data. It is here: https://cruisemarketwatch.com/ship-revenue/ Select the corporate entity in the drop down box. Here's the revenue figures for the ships that home-ported in Sydney for the southern summers: Ovation: $444m (higher than Allure $423m, Oasis $404m, Anthem $371m and Quantum $366m). Radiance $257m (higher than Indy $256m, Liberty $245m and much more than the other Radiance class ships). Explorer $318m (higher than all other Voyager class ships). In Australia only 2018/2019? Voyager $234m (higher than all the remaining Voyager class ships). Celebrity Solstice tops the revenue figures for that brand with $367m. Based on these figures, it's no surprise that Royal is ramping up capacity in Australia and Alaska. This combination is a gold mine. Bring on Quantum. Yeah that’s it . Harmony was the biggest cash cow. All the Australian ships in their class where the most profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted January 14, 2020 #2584 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Just now, MichellePerth said: They could easily sell out 3 or 4 Australian circumnavigations per year at high rates. I agree. Also, they don't need to organise turnaround slots in Sydney OPT for the month it takes to do the circuit. Absolute no brainer. Two from Sydney, one from Brisbane and one from Melbourne (if they deploy Serenade there as I think is likely). We did the northern half on Radiance before it became expensive. Great cruise and we would do it again, and we'd also do the southern half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted January 14, 2020 #2585 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Ovation is doing quite a few runs that take in NZ north island and then to Noumea this season. I’m thinking one quantum will be doing that run with the new island and the other will be just doing NZ. We wanted to do NZ this season on Ovation but it’s pretty well booked out.It’s very popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichellePerth Posted January 14, 2020 #2586 Share Posted January 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, geoff2802 said: I agree. Also, they don't need to organise turnaround slots in Sydney OPT for the month it takes to do the circuit. Absolute no brainer. Two from Sydney, one from Brisbane and one from Melbourne (if they deploy Serenade there as I think is likely). We did the northern half on Radiance before it became expensive. Great cruise and we would do it again, and we'd also do the southern half. I'm happy to be completing my circumnavigation on radiance by doing the bottom half next month. I would be thrilled to have more Australian port visits, specially regional ones. I can't be alone in that thought process. Apparently Broome is one of the most wanted ports on the world, both by domestic and international passengers. They've apparently fixed the problem that caused most cruise visits to be cancelled. Adding that port and maybe another Indonesian port would really entice bookings, at least on the top half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichellePerth Posted January 14, 2020 #2587 Share Posted January 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chiliburn said: Yeah that’s it . Harmony was the biggest cash cow. All the Australian ships in their class where the most profitable. Not to split hairs, but I never assume larger revenues mean more profits. I would think they'd burn more fuel due to longer runs and although they undoubtedly sell more grog in oz, the beverage packages are similar pricing. They probably make less profit margin on aussies on beverage packsges. But particularly the fuel consumption makes me speculate that higher revenue may not necessarily translate into higher profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted January 14, 2020 Author #2588 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, geoff2802 said: I found some 2018 revenue data. Those are estimates which I think are a bit off - it doesn't pass the common sense and pricing trends test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted January 14, 2020 #2589 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, geoff2802 said: I found some 2018 revenue data. It is here: https://cruisemarketwatch.com/ship-revenue/ Select the corporate entity in the drop down box. Here's the revenue figures for the ships that home-ported in Sydney for the southern summers: Ovation: $444m (higher than Allure $423m, Oasis $404m, Anthem $371m and Quantum $366m). Radiance $257m (higher than Indy $256m, Liberty $245m and much more than the other Radiance class ships). Explorer $318m (higher than all other Voyager class ships). In Australia only 2018/2019? Voyager $234m (higher than all the remaining Voyager class ships). Celebrity Solstice tops the revenue figures for that brand with $367m. Based on these figures, it's no surprise that Royal is ramping up capacity in Australia and Alaska. This combination is a gold mine. Bring on Quantum. You do realize that these numbers are just educated guesses that an outside company has done as Royal does not release individual ship data on any of its financial reports. They don’t even break things down between their brands. Edited January 14, 2020 by Ourusualbeach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted January 14, 2020 #2590 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) Symphony only had a partial year in 2018. I suspect it's 2019 numbers will exceed Harmony. Royal still makes the most money in the Caribbean. Oasis class and turn and burn revenue generators. Less fuel per passenger, economies of scale. If Oz was a cash cow that's where they would be placing their ships, more and more of them. Instead China is the emerging market where they are putting most of their new metal. PDCC is bringing in a lot of new revenue even if some folks here on CC do or don't like it. 2020 will be it's first full revenue year so it will be a while before it's full impact is known. Don't get me wrong, Royal makes money in Oz or they would pull out. Using that same cruisemarketwatch.com site, passengers by origin: https://cruisemarketwatch.com/passenger-origins/ North America 14.2M Australia/New Zealand 1.4M Europe and Asia both individually exceed Australia. That was before Spectrum went to Asia. Edited January 14, 2020 by twangster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted January 14, 2020 #2591 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, MichellePerth said: Not to split hairs, but I never assume larger revenues mean more profits. I would think they'd burn more fuel due to longer runs and although they undoubtedly sell more grog in oz, the beverage packages are similar pricing. They probably make less profit margin on aussies on beverage packsges. But particularly the fuel consumption makes me speculate that higher revenue may not necessarily translate into higher profits. Agree, highest Cruise expense...Fuel. Now that hhalf Royal ships can sit at private Island lowers cost, along with hundred extra to purchase equals more profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted January 14, 2020 #2592 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, twangster said: Royal still makes the most money in the Caribbean. Oasis class and turn and burn revenue generators. Less fuel per passenger, economies of scale. If Oz was a cash cow that's where they would be placing their ships, more and more of them. Instead China is the emerging market where they are putting most of their new metal. PDCC is bringing in a lot of new revenue even if some folks here on CC do or don't like it. 2020 will be it's first full revenue year so it will be a while before it's full impact is known. Don't get me wrong, Royal makes money in Oz or they would pull out. Just adding that there is a capacity constraint in Sydney OPT preventing the addition of more ships over the season. To increase capacity the cruise lines are deploying llarger ships here rather than more ships. Apparently Sydney OPT can not accommodate Oasis class either. A third cruise terminal is at least several years away and the cruise lines are vocal about the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted January 14, 2020 #2593 Share Posted January 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, geoff2802 said: Just adding that there is a capacity constraint in Sydney OPT preventing the addition of more ships over the season. To increase capacity the cruise lines are deploying llarger ships here rather than more ships. Apparently Sydney OPT can not accommodate Oasis class either. A third cruise terminal is at least several years away and the cruise lines are vocal about the issue. No doubt. However the region also struggles with a lack of destinations. Even if all cruise lines added more ships and the Sydney area could take them all they would do the same itineraries. There are a couple of U.S. home ports that suffer from this same geographic limitation. How many ships can the region support all doing the same itinerary on different ships a few days apart? New cruisers where the growth potential remains the largest want different ports of call. Repeat cruisers are significant but they can't carry the industry by themselves and they want new shows, not new ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida_cruisers Posted January 15, 2020 #2594 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, MichellePerth said: Wonder should be in Asia around that time. That’s what I am thinking too. That they change my existing booking on the Spectrum to the new Wonder of the Seas to Japan on 5/30/2020. We (and my group of 21 people) booked the first week the itinerary came out. The prices were unbelievable good. I will have to wait and see what Royal will change is to, assuming that is what this code Red is referring too. Edited January 15, 2020 by Florida_cruisers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted January 15, 2020 #2595 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, twangster said: No doubt. However the region also struggles with a lack of destinations. Even if all cruise lines added more ships and the Sydney area could take them all they would do the same itineraries. There are a couple of U.S. home ports that suffer from this same geographic limitation. How many ships can the region support all doing the same itinerary on different ships a few days apart? I agree it can't grow without bound. There are plenty of destinations in the region but most involve a couple of sea days each way. Aussie employees all receive 4 weeks paid annual leave and longer cruises are more common as you may be aware. Lelani adds another call and Royal hasn't even been to PNG or the Solomon islands yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtech Posted January 15, 2020 #2596 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, geoff2802 said: Lelani adds another call and Royal hasn't even been to PNG or the Solomon islands yet. From what I've read PNG does not have very glamorous ports, but I would want to see Port Morsby and Rabaul out of historical (WWII) interest. Same with the Solomons, not good ports but would love to see Henderson Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted January 16, 2020 #2597 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 2:57 PM, mugtech said: From what I've read PNG does not have very glamorous ports, but I would want to see Port Morsby and Rabaul out of historical (WWII) interest. Same with the Solomons, not good ports but would love to see Henderson Field. Yes, good WWII history there. There is also good snorkelling and diving around PNG. I'm hoping Royal does some cruises there from Brisbane. Princess and P&O have been doing it for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted January 18, 2020 #2598 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) Those not aware Royal has been still adding Cruises last 3 weeks. Last 2 weeks been multiple Jewel sailings inc Caribbean, couple Trans-Atlantic's one last week for Nov2020, one last nite of Mar2021... Edited January 18, 2020 by ONECRUISER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbethel11 Posted January 18, 2020 #2599 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ONECRUISER said: Those not aware Royal has been still adding Cruises last 3 weeks. Last 2 weeks been multiple Jewel sailings inc Caribbean, couple Trans-Atlantic's one last week for Nov2020, one last nite of Mar2021... Did you mean Nov 2021 and Mar 2022? If so, for which ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted January 18, 2020 #2600 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, jbethel11 said: Did you mean Nov 2021 and Mar 2022? If so, for which ship? Jewel, nope those 2 are TA for 2020Nov, Mar2021. Just released, change from original deployment. They've added few more Cruises, ships I'm not watching so not sure which Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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