Ships to sail at reduced capacity until AT LEAST 2022

[drsel]

So, on a really long Cruise like a transatlantic of 15 nights, it would make sense to play 3750 in Craps, in which the loss percentage / house advantage is the minimum (less than 4%)

so your loss is likely to be less than 150 dollars on $3750 played, which will give you free drinks for the entire 15 night Cruise.

 

Someone said that nowadays the drinks on us package is valid on the entire ship, not just in the casino

 

[ProgRockCruiser]

34 minutes ago, drsel said:

So, on a really long Cruise like a transatlantic of 15 nights, it would make sense to play 3750 in Craps, in which the loss percentage / house advantage is the minimum (less than 4%)

Trust me, if I played $3750 in craps, the house would win a lot more than 4% from me.  When it comes to gambling, the only way I stay even is by not playing!

[bury me at sea]

To return to the original topic, my TA told me this morning that he's hearing rumors that initially Carnival will resume cruising at 2/3 capacity.  He didn't have any guesses on how this would be accomplished.

 

I have both a 2021 and a 2022 cruise booked for 3 in a cabin.  Hope they are safe.

[ProgRockCruiser]

11 minutes ago, bury me at sea said:

To return to the original topic, my TA told me this morning that he's hearing rumors that initially Carnival will resume cruising at 2/3 capacity.  He didn't have any guesses on how this would be accomplished.

 

I have both a 2021 and a 2022 cruise booked for 3 in a cabin.  Hope they are safe.

Maybe only two of you will be allowed to board?

 

😉

 

Sorry.

 

Anyway...I wonder if the "2/3 capacity" is for max capacity, or nominal capacity at double occupancy?

 

For example, Carnival Liberty:  2978 passengers double occupancy, max capacity is 3756 passengers.  (Numbers fairly consistent across multiple online searches).

 

Double occupancy is roughly 80% of max capacity.   They've already achieved 20% of the 33% target reduction.  They'd need to limit to 2500 or so to meet the 2/3 capacity target - only 480 less than the double occupancy amount.

 

So really they need to keep about 10% below the double occupancy target, which might be much more manageable and not nearly the loss-maker.

 

Just a hypothesis - no idea what is really going to be the measure of limited capacity.

Edited August 21, 2020 by ProgRockCruiser

[SNJCruisers]

It's been reported that the MSC Grandiosa, which debuted this week in Italy is currently sailing with about 2500 on board, which is 40% of the 6200 capacity.

[drsel]

It's been reported that the MSC Grandiosa, which debuted this week in Italy is currently sailing with about 2500 on board, which is 40% of the 6200 capacity.

There is no way that any Cruise ship can break even with such a low, reduced capacity.

[ProgRockCruiser]

14 minutes ago, drsel said:

50 minutes ago, SNJCruisers said:

It's been reported that the MSC Grandiosa, which debuted this week in Italy is currently sailing with about 2500 on board, which is 40% of the 6200 capacity.

There is no way that any Cruise ship can break even with such a low, reduced capacity.

It isn't intended to break even, it was intended to "test the ice" and see if cruising could start to resume.

 

If successful, they undoubtedly expect to ramp up capacity and visit more (including non-Italian) ports slowly, bit by bit, until they have proven that cruising can be done safely, or until it all collapses again due to humans being humans.

[drsel]

I think that MSC is doing as awesome job and being the pioneer in cruise resumption!

Only 100 euros for 3 excursions!

Here is an expert video of this cruise, the MSC Grandiosa--

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by drsel

[bury me at sea]

1 hour ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

Maybe only two of you will be allowed to board?

 

😉

 

Sorry.

 

Anyway...I wonder if the "2/3 capacity" is for max capacity, or nominal capacity at double occupancy?

 

For example, Carnival Liberty:  2978 passengers double occupancy, max capacity is 3756 passengers.  (Numbers fairly consistent across multiple online searches).

 

Double occupancy is roughly 80% of max capacity.   They've already achieved 20% of the 33% target reduction.  They'd need to limit to 2500 or so to meet the 2/3 capacity target - only 480 less than the double occupancy amount.

 

So really they need to keep about 10% below the double occupancy target, which might be much more manageable and not nearly the loss-maker.

 

Just a hypothesis - no idea what is really going to be the measure of limited capacity.

 

Your hypothesis is as good as any.  My TA stressed that it was a rumor and that he has had no official notification of any changes under consideration.

[BlerkOne]

On 7/10/2020 at 5:55 PM, Saint Greg said:

 

They can. They would just have to buy two rooms. A lot of families do it that way already.

 

Not going to happen. Many families skip passports as a deal breaker expense.

[BlerkOne]

3 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

It's been reported that the MSC Grandiosa, which debuted this week in Italy is currently sailing with about 2500 on board, which is 40% of the 6200 capacity.

 

Cruise ships are going to block of a certain number of cabins for quarantine, just in case there is an outbreak. It makes sense to stuff as many people as possible into the available cabins.

[Don Kehote]

2 hours ago, drsel said:

3 hours ago, SNJCruisers said:

It's been reported that the MSC Grandiosa, which debuted this week in Italy is currently sailing with about 2500 on board, which is 40% of the 6200 capacity.

There is no way that any Cruise ship can break even with such a low, reduced capacity.

Probably true.  But they can lose less.

[arby70]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

 

Cruise ships are going to block of a certain number of cabins for quarantine, just in case there is an outbreak. It makes sense to stuff as many people as possible into the available cabins.

I really hope you are wrong when cruising starts up here.  They can't possibly observe CDC guidelines if they do that in the foreseeable future.  Definitely would make cruising a disaster in the making.  It would be stupid too, because it may shut it down again if they "stuff" too soon.

[grandmarnnurse]

2 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

Cruise ships are going to block of a certain number of cabins for quarantine, just in case there is an outbreak. It makes sense to stuff as many people as possible into the available cabins.

Actually, I heard the CEO of Carnival talk the other day, and he pretty much said this. That they are better equipped to handle this virus than they were in March, and will quarantine only those effected. So, it sounds like no mass ship quartine. That would be great! So, I suspect less cabins will be booked, and they will have an area for quarantine only. 

[drsel]

You are absolutely right grandma nurse

[drsel]

  MSC has a low price point for its shore excursion any way. In the med loop cruises, the excursion at normal price is roughly 26 to 36 euros for a two hours and a half excursion up to 45 to 60 Euros for a four to five  hours excursion. so 100 euros for 3 excursions that average 3 hours are the normal prices for MSC. 

 

Thanks we always organised our own groups from The Cruise critic roll call for excursions around the Mediterranean, both eastern Mediterranean and western Mediterranean. 

 

 

Hiring a minivan or minibus with driver/guide costs between 20 to 32 euros per person for a full day tour of 6 to 8 hours in all the ports of Europe.

 

 

Meals are ala carte and not included.

On the way, we stop for lunch at any local restaurant and taste the local food.

 

 

 

[SNJCruisers]

6 hours ago, drsel said:

Thanks we always organised our own groups from The Cruise critic roll call for excursions around the Mediterranean, both eastern Mediterranean and western Mediterranean. 

 

 

Hiring a minivan or minibus with driver/guide costs between 20 to 32 euros per person for a full day tour of 6 to 8 hours in all the ports of Europe.

 

 

Meals are ala carte and not included.

On the way, we stop for lunch at any local restaurant and taste the local food.

 

 

 

Things may not be the same the next time you cruise, depending of course when and where it is.  The new policy on MSC is that you either take a MSC sponsored tour or you stay on board.  This will probably be industry wide protocol until a vaccine is developed and is in widespread use.  If you don't like masks, social distancing and ship sponsored tours, then you should stay home.

[drsel]

Yes, I agree and we are only too willing to follow the rules because we want to Cruise.

[drsel]

It's very good that the MSc tours are so reasonably priced and that's a big incentive to take them

[drsel]

Usually the American Cruise lines' full day tours are over $100 each

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, drsel said:

It's very good that the MSc tours are so reasonably priced and that's a big incentive to take them

The biggest incentive is that there is no other choice if one wants to leave the ship to see the port.

[arby70]

If there are only Carnival excursions available they hopefully be able to get more vendors on board to accommodate the passengers.  I also hope they cut prices on them as well if everyone will have to buy them to be able to leave the ship.

[drsel]

That is exactly what MSC has done.
300 euros for 3 excursions, trying to take it reasonable for all passengers to take them

[BlerkOne]

On 7/10/2020 at 6:40 PM, Saint Greg said:

 

If the price just covered the room it would be fair. Since the price covers food, entertainment, and usage of their facilities, the price should be less than double.

 

 

In days gone by, Carnival would offer a few cruises with no single supplement. Smart couples quickly figured out you could book a balcony for one and a nearby inside for one cheaper than putting two in the balcony. You end up with two full bathrooms and a lot more storage space for cheaper. And still share a balcony cabin.

[drsel]

If only we could all afford Crystal