Retired & Loving It Posted July 17, 2020 #1 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I have seen a couple of stories where Carnival will not allow persons over 70 with an underlying health condition, such as diabetes, high blood pressure, etc., to board the ship. Should I take these stories seriously. I'm 73 and have A-Fib, high blood pressure, and diabetes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klfrodo Posted July 17, 2020 #2 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I wouldn't casually dismiss these stories. You can't dismiss the facts that you and I are in high risk categories for less than optimal outcome should we contract the virus. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired & Loving It Posted July 17, 2020 Author #3 Share Posted July 17, 2020 So far I'm spending my days reading and playing on the computer. At least it keeps me home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyancho Posted July 17, 2020 #4 Share Posted July 17, 2020 If you look at the protocol for Aida cruises, they are segregating activities by age. And a whole bunch of other crazy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNcruising02 Posted July 17, 2020 #5 Share Posted July 17, 2020 It is possible that there will be health restrictions if sailing begins before a vaccine is available. If so, I think Carnival will let people rebook or get a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted July 17, 2020 #6 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, fyree39 said: It's all us old people ruining it for the young brave ones. lol I remember when the Swine flu, SARS, and others came through. I was much younger and completely unconcerned. I didn't fall in a risk group. If I were in my 30s again, I'd probably be secretly hoping for a "no old folks or young kids" cruise so those of us not at risk could at least go have some fun. I'm in a risk group, so I'm stuck ashore. 😞 Well, it seems more and more young people are coming down with the virus. So they are joining us "old" people who are not on the ships. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattoos Posted July 17, 2020 #7 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Carnival will be going down a slippery slope if they place undue restrictions on older people because they are (health-wise) at high risk. I have friends in their 30's and 40's who are diabetic, have high blood pressure, etc. Is Carnival going to weed this group out also? What about children who sail who have underlying health issues... don't let them sail? If they are going to initiate a "no sail" health list, it better encompass all people who cruise. Age and health issues touches people of all ages, not just the elderly.. Singling out older people and subjecting them to additional forms, testing, etc., will bring down a lot of lawsuits onto an already struggling cruise industry. There are rumors that the cruise lines are investigating the feasibility of partitioning off areas on their ships exclusively for older cruisers, i.e., in the Lido buffet area, indoor venues such as the show theaters, bars, etc. If you are an older cruiser that has been put on "The List" are you still going to sail? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 1025cruise Posted July 17, 2020 #8 Share Posted July 17, 2020 At this point, any restrictions are pure speculation. Until something gets announced, don't believe anything. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezd222 Posted July 18, 2020 #9 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 hours ago, ontheweb said: Well, it seems more and more young people are coming down with the virus. So they are joining us "old" people who are not on the ships. Except their death rate is substantially lower. COVID has a hockey stick fatality rate. Takes a severe detour north at around 70 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted July 18, 2020 #10 Share Posted July 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, ezd222 said: Except their death rate is substantially lower. COVID has a hockey stick fatality rate. Takes a severe detour north at around 70 years old. Let's see what happens when more and more young people catch the virus. Also there are long term effects to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2wheelin Posted July 18, 2020 #11 Share Posted July 18, 2020 5 hours ago, tattoos said: Carnival will be going down a slippery slope if they place undue restrictions on older people because they are (health-wise) at high risk. I have friends in their 30's and 40's who are diabetic, have high blood pressure, etc. Is Carnival going to weed this group out also? What about children who sail who have underlying health issues... don't let them sail? If they are going to initiate a "no sail" health list, it better encompass all people who cruise. Age and health issues touches people of all ages, not just the elderly.. Singling out older people and subjecting them to additional forms, testing, etc., will bring down a lot of lawsuits onto an already struggling cruise industry. There are rumors that the cruise lines are investigating the feasibility of partitioning off areas on their ships exclusively for older cruisers, i.e., in the Lido buffet area, indoor venues such as the show theaters, bars, etc. If you are an older cruiser that has been put on "The List" are you still going to sail? I don’t let age restrict anything I want to do on land so I don’t think I would patronize a cruise line that wanted to make restrictions based on age. Too arbitrary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klfrodo Posted July 18, 2020 #12 Share Posted July 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, 2wheelin said: I don’t let age restrict anything I want to do on land so I don’t think I would patronize a cruise line that wanted to make restrictions based on age. Too arbitrary. And that is your right as a consumer. It is also their right as a business to place whatever restrictions they feel is in the best interest and safety of their crew and passengers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipmaster Posted July 18, 2020 #13 Share Posted July 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Retired & Loving It said: I have seen a couple of stories where Carnival will not allow persons over 70 with an underlying health condition, such as diabetes, high blood pressure, etc., to board the ship. Should I take these stories seriously. I'm 73 and have A-Fib, high blood pressure, and diabetes. A lawsuit or signing away right to sue likely will fix all of this, Sadly we got bigger issues before we cross that for cruising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted July 18, 2020 #14 Share Posted July 18, 2020 8 hours ago, klfrodo said: And that is your right as a consumer. It is also their right as a business to place whatever restrictions they feel is in the best interest and safety of their crew and passengers. Is it, or do they have to follow various civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination including discriminating for age? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvetteatthelake Posted July 18, 2020 #15 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Yeah, I am 71 and have some health issues. Easy fix: Have the cruise lawyers insert another item into the cruise contract that states that passengers understand the risks of possible exposure to COVID-19, the clap, STD’s, measles, mumps etc. Screen passengers before boarding, institute common safety guidelines and let’s get on with it. Stay safe, don’t play in traffic and let’s get back to cruising! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNcruising02 Posted July 18, 2020 #16 Share Posted July 18, 2020 It seems like it would be more practical to require waivers and maybe testing. Maybe someday vaccinations if the virus is still an issue. I really don't see them discriminating due to age or health status in the future. That's a slippery slope and will cost them a huge amount of revenue. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coevan Posted July 18, 2020 #17 Share Posted July 18, 2020 1 hour ago, TNcruising02 said: It seems like it would be more practical to require waivers you mean like for rallies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgcruising Posted July 18, 2020 #18 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 2:50 PM, Retired & Loving It said: I have seen a couple of stories where Carnival will not allow persons over 70 with an underlying health condition, such as diabetes, high blood pressure, etc., to board the ship. Should I take these stories seriously. I'm 73 and have A-Fib, high blood pressure, and diabetes. They told people over 70 they had to have a fit to sail sign off from their doctor but then backed off of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine5715 Posted July 18, 2020 #19 Share Posted July 18, 2020 11 hours ago, ontheweb said: Is it, or do they have to follow various civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination including discriminating for age? Not necessarily. Cruise lines with non US home ports probably have different laws than US about age discrimination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostwick girl Posted July 19, 2020 #20 Share Posted July 19, 2020 The average age where I live for positives is 35. Early on in March, the average age was around 65, so just shows who practices social distancing and wearing masks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Banditswife Posted July 19, 2020 #21 Share Posted July 19, 2020 If they do implement those earlier restrictions, it will definitely cut down their consumer base. A very high percentage of cruisers are either over 70, have diabetes, or other underlying health issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine5715 Posted July 19, 2020 #22 Share Posted July 19, 2020 13 hours ago, Bostwick girl said: The average age where I live for positives is 35. Early on in March, the average age was around 65, so just shows who practices social distancing and wearing masks! We are seeing the same in parts of my state, same locations that held massive protests with that age group participating...coincidence? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe817 Posted July 19, 2020 #23 Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Elaine5715 said: We are seeing the same in parts of my state, same locations that held massive protests with that age group participating...coincidence? As Leroy Jethro Gibbs says: " I don't believe in coincidences. " The same goes for me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted July 19, 2020 #24 Share Posted July 19, 2020 In today's super-litigious society, companies have to protect themselves. As we know, it's the older crowd that suffer most with COVID (and most other things for that matter). How does the cruise line protect themselves? I don't see a path forward without some kind of waiver, special requirement, restriction, etc for at least the older crowd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coevan Posted July 19, 2020 #25 Share Posted July 19, 2020 never going to happen Joe, they will not shoot themselves in the foot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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