DFD1 Posted March 22, 2021 #76 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, rkacruiser said: No real idea if the two gentlemen at my table on Nieuw Statendam were gay. I think they were. So what? They were two delightful gentlemen who were beginning to explore the world of cruising. If not gay, they were obviously good friends. I have cruised with another male who was a good friend. Now, I wonder, did someone(s) on those three cruises think that Richard and I were gay? It doesn't matter. I Just hope you had a good time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcat04 Posted March 22, 2021 #77 Share Posted March 22, 2021 This is an interesting thread. As a younger cruiser (Gen Xer), I can safely say I had never really even thought about this. People vacationing, living their lives, loving each other, and enjoying this precious time we have here together. Never think twice about making those good memories. Life's way too short! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted March 22, 2021 #78 Share Posted March 22, 2021 @fatcat04 I don’t know if it is generational or not. There have always been bullies and if it isn’t gay people they will find another target. Then there are those who just can’t mind their own business. Fortunately I have rarely encountered bullies on a HAL cruise 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 23, 2021 #79 Share Posted March 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, DFD1 said: It doesn't matter. I Just hope you had a good time. Richard and I both did and I am certain that neither of us thought it "odd" that we were cruising together and sharing a stateroom. We both had reasons for why we chose those three cruises. Our interests intersected for those three cruises. I cruised on others as well as he did for our own reasons that we did not share. A relationship other than the fact that we were long time friends and were professionals in the same profession: those were the interests that we shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatcat04 Posted March 23, 2021 #80 Share Posted March 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Mary229 said: @fatcat04 I don’t know if it is generational or not. There have always been bullies and if it isn’t gay people they will find another target. Then there are those who just can’t mind their own business. Fortunately I have rarely encountered bullies on a HAL cruise That is true. Bullies, busy bodies, and unhappy people, sometimes all in the one same package. We have had very few bad experiences on HAL, ours were due solely to having our children with us. Just a few grumps here and there. We didn't let them throw shade on our good times. Most of the folks we have met on HAL have been delightful people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaCruiser72 Posted March 23, 2021 #81 Share Posted March 23, 2021 13 hours ago, ScottC4746 said: These gay cruises are often not put on by the cruise line themselves but companies like RSVP where they charter a cruise ship. Sadly these are not traditional style cruises and more floating white parties or circuit parties. I am in my 50's and I am not interested in those. When I was of that age I wasn't interested in those, seeing how many humans can fit in a square foot...no thank you. 🙂 I did one RSVP cruise many years ago when I was in my early thirties. It was a one and done - just not for me. As an openly gay man I much prefer the more traditional cruise experience and entertainment than all the theme parties, focus on late night events, etc. I travel for the culture, history, nature, etc of the places I visit and want to meet and interact with a broad range of fellow travelers from all walks of life, ages, races, genders, religions, political beliefs, etc 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise Suzy Posted March 23, 2021 #82 Share Posted March 23, 2021 41 minutes ago, AtlantaCruiser72 said: I travel for the culture, history, nature, etc of the places I visit and want to meet and interact with a broad range of fellow travelers from all walks of life, ages, races, genders, religions, political beliefs, etc That's why I travel. Probably why most of us here do too. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted March 23, 2021 #83 Share Posted March 23, 2021 10 hours ago, AtlantaCruiser72 said: I did one RSVP cruise many years ago when I was in my early thirties. It was a one and done - just not for me. As an openly gay man I much prefer the more traditional cruise experience and entertainment than all the theme parties, focus on late night events, etc. I travel for the culture, history, nature, etc of the places I visit and want to meet and interact with a broad range of fellow travelers from all walks of life, ages, races, genders, religions, political beliefs, etc Good to remind all of us we are more the same than different. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted March 23, 2021 #84 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Our experience is that the vast majority of cruisers are the MYOB types who are completely disinterested in transposing their beliefs or lifestyles onto others. Let alone judging. There will always be very small minority of 'haters' no matter what the issue. Just ignore them, they are not worthy of consideration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Lady Arwen Posted March 23, 2021 #85 Share Posted March 23, 2021 In Canada, same sex marriage and LGBTQ people have been embraced for so many years now, I can’t even remember when it was not the case. We honestly don’t discriminate against anyone. We’re a very diverse country and that’s why we love to live here. We do roll our eyes at folks who say they prefer Starbucks to Tim’s.....it’s a Canadian thing. My husband and I are of “the older generation” and we think everyone is entitled to live their life to the fullest, even on a cruiseship. Love who you love! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Crazy For Cats Posted March 23, 2021 #86 Share Posted March 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Lady Arwen said: In Canada, same sex marriage and LGBTQ people have been embraced for so many years now, I can’t even remember when it was not the case. We honestly don’t discriminate against anyone. We’re a very diverse country and that’s why we love to live here. We do roll our eyes at folks who say they prefer Starbucks to Tim’s.....it’s a Canadian thing. My husband and I are of “the older generation” and we think everyone is entitled to live their life to the fullest, even on a cruiseship. Love who you love! I had to go to Toronto for work several years ago. From the hotel it was easy to get to Church street. I had a great time walking through the neighborhood, shopping and having some great food. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted March 23, 2021 #87 Share Posted March 23, 2021 12 hours ago, ontheweb said: Good to remind all of us we are more the same than different. We are all the children of God. Whatever the name of your God may be. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisegirl Posted March 24, 2021 #88 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Wouldn’t bother me in the least. My DH would probably be surprised as two men (or two women) dancing together would be something he hasn’t seen before but other than that I doubt he would be bothered by it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Germancruiser Posted March 24, 2021 #89 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) Wonderful answers all around- here is one of the most wonderful dance scene´s i have ever seen. Great inspiration! Edited March 24, 2021 by Germancruiser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbiSox Posted March 24, 2021 #90 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/22/2021 at 7:54 PM, Mary229 said: @fatcat04 I don’t know if it is generational or not. There have always been bullies and if it isn’t gay people they will find another target. Then there are those who just can’t mind their own business. Fortunately I have rarely encountered bullies on a HAL cruise I also have encountered bullies. While on board an Alaskan cruise a few years back, an entire group of bullies was so threatening and obnoxious that the Sea View Bar closed up at 6:00pm one day. I did see in the news shortly after that this same group had been kicked off another ship! I supposed closing the bar was HAL's best solution to that problem, but I didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffElizabeth Posted March 24, 2021 #91 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/18/2021 at 11:51 AM, T8NCruise said: Oh dear, I really wish I could say the same. We have encountered some very obnoxious people onboard HAL ships, and some that have been extremely rude to crew members. They cruise all lines. We have seen this too, but rarely. Sort of surprising considering people are on vacation and have access to alcohol. My brother and his husband used to do the gay only cruises where Holland rents out the ship, but now feel much more comfortable on Holland's regular cruises. Although the husband does wish Holland would include more line dancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nashkan Posted March 24, 2021 Author #92 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I am very Happy that a couple of my posts were DELETED (thank you...Cruise Critics) I just want to say I and my husband are close to 70 years old now ..... We certainly do not make a spectacle of ourselves ....GROSS ...70 year olds ONLY DO IT IN THE VERY VERY PRIVATE.... We are well aware of "Friends of Dorothy" we have been on 13 cruises....sadly the last one was 2005 ... we did 5 Cruises with a Gay GRoup ....and it was wonderful BACK THEN .... High energy and great DJ and entertainment .....was saddened by a condescending post ... oh well .... but am so delighted in what people have said over all.... so if the music is right ...two old men may get up and dance....... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Lady Arwen Posted March 25, 2021 #93 Share Posted March 25, 2021 3 hours ago, nashkan said: I am very Happy that a couple of my posts were DELETED (thank you...Cruise Critics) I just want to say I and my husband are close to 70 years old now ..... We certainly do not make a spectacle of ourselves ....GROSS ...70 year olds ONLY DO IT IN THE VERY VERY PRIVATE.... We are well aware of "Friends of Dorothy" we have been on 13 cruises....sadly the last one was 2005 ... we did 5 Cruises with a Gay GRoup ....and it was wonderful BACK THEN .... High energy and great DJ and entertainment .....was saddened by a condescending post ... oh well .... but am so delighted in what people have said over all.... so if the music is right ...two old men may get up and dance....... I sincerely hope you do. Happy cruising to you and your husband. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobTheGob Posted March 28, 2021 #94 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I’ve never noticed anybody having issues with same-sex dancing or displays of affection onboard the various ships. But - I recall some warnings regarding some ports and same-sex handholding, kissing, etc... So - that might be something to keep in mind, when you’re off the ship in a country that might not be so “open-minded”! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Turtles06 Posted March 28, 2021 #95 Share Posted March 28, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 12:55 PM, Lady Arwen said: In Canada, same sex marriage and LGBTQ people have been embraced for so many years now, I can’t even remember when it was not the case. Which is why my partner and I (we are Americans) traveled to your country — your very city in fact 😊— to get married, long before we could legally get married in the U.S. We are forever grateful to Canada for making that possible. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaCruiser72 Posted March 28, 2021 #96 Share Posted March 28, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 12:19 AM, Germancruiser said: Wonderful answers all around- here is one of the most wonderful dance scene´s i have ever seen. Great inspiration! But the scene after it is truly disturbing and heartbreaking and sets up much of the narrative for the remainder of the next season and really explores the “why” of bullying and hate. One of my all time favorite series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Lady Arwen Posted March 28, 2021 #97 Share Posted March 28, 2021 10 hours ago, Turtles06 said: Which is why my partner and I (we are Americans) traveled to your country — your very city in fact 😊— to get married, long before we could legally get married in the U.S. We are forever grateful to Canada for making that possible. Yes, you and many others, including Elton John and his husband David Furnish. They bought a home just outside of Toronto at the same time. If you ask a Canadian what they think about same sex marriage the will say. “Well, since it’s not hockey, we don’t care what team you play on “! Glad we were part of your special day! Love who you love! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted March 28, 2021 #98 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) The thing is we do not think that this is such a big thing anymore. Most people are thankfully well past the hate, discrimination, etc and have moved forward to accepting people as they are a long time ago. Those that have not, the haters, will always find something to hate. If it is not sexual orientation, it is race, sex, faith, country of origin, etc. You name it, they will find a way to hate and to discriminate. It is in their hearts. Edited March 28, 2021 by iancal 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaCruiser72 Posted March 28, 2021 #99 Share Posted March 28, 2021 As the song by Rodgers & Hammerstein from South Pacific says: You've got to be taught to hate and fearYou've got to be taught from year to yearIts got to be drummed in your dear little earYou've got to be carefully taught You've got to be taught to be afraidOf people who's eyes are 'oddly' madeAnd people who's skin is a different shadeYou've got to be carefully taught You've got to be taught before it's too lateBefore you are six, or seven, or eightTo hate all the people your relatives hateYou've got to be carefully taught Thankfully many, MANY people have moved past this kind of societal programming and learned to love and accept others with kindness and compassion. Sadly there are still enough who haven't been able to move forward that we have still have discrimination, bullying and violence related to prejudice of all kinds. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancal Posted March 28, 2021 #100 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Turtles06 said: Which is why my partner and I (we are Americans) traveled to your country — your very city in fact 😊— to get married, long before we could legally get married in the U.S. We are forever grateful to Canada for making that possible. In Canada it is actually a violation of our Charter of Rights and Freedoms for any Province deny the right of marriage (or discriminate) to anyone....including same sex couples. That Charter has been in existence since 1982 and within six months of it's enactment became the most copied constitutional document in the world for those countries searching for a new constitutional framework. A fact that few Canadians realize. This is probably why the whole issue is more of a shrug and a 'so what' to most people. Edited March 28, 2021 by iancal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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