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Should the Covid vaccine be required?  

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  1. 1. What do you think about the requirement to be vaccinated which will be valid already on the first Odyssey, Adventure and Celebrity Millennium cruises in May and June?

    • Cruise lines should require everyone to be vaccinated
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    • Cruise lines should accept a PCR test instead of the vaccine from people who can't get it
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    • For this moment, only negative Covid tests should be required from all passengers
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broberts Excellent Advice! Rare

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7 minutes ago, PMGS247 said:

 

I feel like there's going to be a small portion of the population that is unable to get a vaccine for one valid reason or another and they are going to be unfairly excluded

 

It occurs to me that those physically unable to get vaccinated are likely also in a very high risk group and would naturally want to avoid any possibility of exposure.

 

There are of course those with beliefs that preclude vaccination. I'm not sure "unfair" is a reasonable characterization of their exclusion. 

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23 minutes ago, PMGS247 said:

100%

 

Doesn't have to be the only cause to be the difference between life and death. 

 

As for the overall question I think it's a foregone conclusion that Vaccines will be required and that makes sense.  I think it's the path to cruising sooner.  We could wait longer until we're at the point where it's not necessary but that would.....well....take longer.  Sooner is better. 

 

Also, it might be a trade for no masks / less masks, which is very attractive to this cruiser.  While I fully support mask policies in public spaces everywhere it's definitely quite unattractive in the context of paying for a cruise when I can find alternate vacations where I can safely and easily avoid having the mask be an overbearing element.  Not necessarily a deal breaker depending on the extent of the rules but I'm definitely hoping that's a benefit of vaccine requirements, which in theory would put you beyond a vaccine wall where masks become mostly redundant (acknowledging marginal vaccine ineffectiveness) once you've boarded.

 

I feel like there's going to be a small portion of the population that is unable to get a vaccine for one valid reason or another and they are going to be unfairly excluded.  It's unfortunate but it's just more COVID reality in a lesser of two evils situation.  Lots of that going around the past 12 months.  Eventually we'll fully pull out of this but there's just inevitable stepping stones with natural pro's and con's if we want to get things rolling sooner.

I respectfully disagree and believe it's what will hold up cruising longer. Don't forget the crew would still need to be vaccinated and they are down the list of priorities age wise for their Countries. No way a private corporation will be able to jump the queue and procure vaccines for their employees until all the Countries get their required doses. 

 

 

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So I have a friend, that is fully vaccinated, walks around with 2 masks on, and never goes out beyond work, and home.  He will never get on a cruise.   

 

All this talk, revolves around one concept.  The cruise line, in conjuction of the host country, will decide on the rules.  Just like I went to Las Vegas, on a plane, and wore a mask while inside also in the casinos.  The cruise line will do the same thing.  This, is the simplest concept to understand.  The ship needs to sail to make money.  They need enough people that will accept the limitations, to get on the ship.  It will sail.  Customers will know before they get on, the rules.  They will follow.  My friend that wears a double mask will avoid me for weeks.  

 

Many people will not like the vaccine rule, be concerned of under 18's on the ship, hate the mask etc.  Guess what, the cruise is not for you yet.  You just need to wait it out longer.  For others, they are happy and that is what matters.  No need to debate, if it is fair or not.....because you made the decision not to have a vaccine, live in fear, or have opinions different than what is being allowed.  There is not enough space anyway for you, so it's ok.....we will see you in 2023 or later maybe

 

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13 minutes ago, cruisinggrandma57 said:

If you had the virus why do you need the vaccine?  

 

Apparently one has higher and longer lasting antibody levels with a vaccination. Even for those who have previously contracted and recovered from covid-19.

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50 minutes ago, Joseph2017China said:

So I have a friend, that is fully vaccinated, walks around with 2 masks on, and never goes out beyond work, and home.  He will never get on a cruise.   

 

All this talk, revolves around one concept.  The cruise line, in conjuction of the host country, will decide on the rules.  Just like I went to Las Vegas, on a plane, and wore a mask while inside also in the casinos.  The cruise line will do the same thing.  This, is the simplest concept to understand.  The ship needs to sail to make money.  They need enough people that will accept the limitations, to get on the ship.  It will sail.  Customers will know before they get on, the rules.  They will follow.  My friend that wears a double mask will avoid me for weeks.  

 

Many people will not like the vaccine rule, be concerned of under 18's on the ship, hate the mask etc.  Guess what, the cruise is not for you yet.  You just need to wait it out longer.  For others, they are happy and that is what matters.  No need to debate, if it is fair or not.....because you made the decision not to have a vaccine, live in fear, or have opinions different than what is being allowed.  There is not enough space anyway for you, so it's ok.....we will see you in 2023 or later maybe

 

I didn't get the vaccine because I had the virus. The shot is to prevent you from getting it. So why should I have to get the shot to cruise when you don't need the shot to fly.

 

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Just now, cruisinggrandma57 said:

The shot is only good for a year and you can also get it with the shot.

 

 

If you are talking about a covid-19 vaccination I seriously question the statement. Vaccines have been around for less than 1 year so any suggestion of longer duration is purely speculative.

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1 hour ago, Joseph2017China said:

So I have a friend, that is fully vaccinated, walks around with 2 masks on, and never goes out beyond work, and home.  He will never get on a cruise.   

 

All this talk, revolves around one concept.  The cruise line, in conjuction of the host country, will decide on the rules.  Just like I went to Las Vegas, on a plane, and wore a mask while inside also in the casinos.  The cruise line will do the same thing.  This, is the simplest concept to understand.  The ship needs to sail to make money.  They need enough people that will accept the limitations, to get on the ship.  It will sail.  Customers will know before they get on, the rules.  They will follow.  My friend that wears a double mask will avoid me for weeks.  

 

Many people will not like the vaccine rule, be concerned of under 18's on the ship, hate the mask etc.  Guess what, the cruise is not for you yet.  You just need to wait it out longer.  For others, they are happy and that is what matters.  No need to debate, if it is fair or not.....because you made the decision not to have a vaccine, live in fear, or have opinions different than what is being allowed.  There is not enough space anyway for you, so it's ok.....we will see you in 2023 or later maybe

 

Have I missed something?? Has Royal made public their policy on masks already?

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23 minutes ago, cruisinggrandma57 said:

I didn't get the vaccine because I had the virus. The shot is to prevent you from getting it. So why should I have to get the shot to cruise when you don't need the shot to fly.

 

Different countries have different rules.

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23 minutes ago, cruisinggrandma57 said:

The shot is only good for a year and you can also get it with the shot.

 

That is not know and in all likelyhood it will be good for much longer.

 

I am really tired of people presenting the unknown as fact.

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3 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

Really? What source gave you that information? This is what I came up with......

Scroll down to "How Long Does Immunity Last After Getting the Vaccine

There must be science to suggest both natural immunity from having had the virus and limited time immunity from the vaccine as those are both criteria for entering some countries. Estonia and Iceland will allow tourists with proof of prior infection (with current negative PCR) or within 6 months of vaccination. Granted, they could adjust the time since the vaccine at some point.

 

https://theluxurytravelexpert.com/2021/03/19/countries-that-are-open-to-travelers-vaccinated-against-covid-19/

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The vaccine is also doesn't present the entire virus for your body to decided what part of the virus to develop the immune response to. The vaccine  is designed to trigger the immune response to one of the more stable part of the virus. Thus is more likely to provide protection from the various strands.

Think of the surface of the virus as covered in locks, anyone of them will unlock the virus for your immune system. But certain locks change faster then others from the constant small mutations. So the key your body developed, might not have a lock to be used on when the virus changes, therefor, your body would need to develop a new key to open the new locks. The vaccine only presents a certain lock that will be more likely to be there as the vaccine mutates.

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39 minutes ago, Joseph2017China said:

Been sailing since December-  it can change but right now yes

Oh ok, so you're talking about out of Singapore specifically where vaccines aren't required but masks and social distancing is. Gotcha. Still no word yet though on the policy out of Bahamas or Barbados so far.....or Israel for that matter.....regarding masks. We know vaccines will be mandatory for those 18+ though which is fine by me. Royal's rules after all. 

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1 hour ago, Mapleleafforever said:

And no one knows what the rules will be for cruising out of the US yet, anyone trying to say otherwise is full of it. 

But you can look at countries where cruising is planing on restarting for ideas as to what will be needed at minimum. In the end, if the Bahamas require cruise ships that dock to have all passengers 16+ vaccinated, then it doesn't mater if the CDC doesn't require any vaccinations.

The CDC can only add additional restrictions, since the ships have to comply with a the countries that will be docking at.

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