Adults only now means adults only

[Engineroom Snipe]

24 minutes ago, leaveitallbehind said:

What the one who complained was told was that it is difficult to enforce unless a staff member actually witness it.

 

So, in conclusion, if a staff members walks by, looks the other way, looks at the deck, looks at the sky, etc., their is not much a passenger can do about bad behavior or policy non-compliance.

 

A passenger has to do the same or choose another cruise line.

 

A new cruise line might do cast a blind eye to the same behavior.

 

As I stated earlier, these are policies and not law. We are at the mercy of the cruise line to decide when and if they enforce their own policies.

 

The best observation I can make is that profit will reign supreme over policy compliance unless the cruise lines suffer financial loses due to policy non-compliance.

 

I posted elsewhere about how check-in times were enforced in a haphazard way and it does not seem to matter at the ports that I have been to in the past year.

 

As passengers, we should not have to be policy enforcers on our vacations. Anyone being told what to do or not do will be perceived as a "bad man."

 

"No one knows what it is like to be the bad man......."  (Who's Next, 1971.Behind Blue Eyes),

[leaveitallbehind]

What it boils down to IMO is that a policy is only such if it is enforced.  If it is not, then it is little more than a shallow gesture.  And if it is to be enforced it should not be at the hands of the passengers. Otherwise why bother to publish it in the first place.

[doghog]

1 minute ago, leaveitallbehind said:

What it boils down to IMO is that a policy is only such if it is enforced.  If it is not, then it is little more than a shallow gesture.  And if it is to be enforced it should not be at the hands of the passengers. Otherwise why bother to publish it in the first place.

Great question to be asked at the Captains Corner. 😇

[Engineroom Snipe]

3 minutes ago, leaveitallbehind said:

What it boils down to IMO is that a policy is only such if it is enforced.  If it is not, then it is little more than a shallow gesture.  And if it is to be enforced it should not be at the hands of the passengers. Otherwise why bother to publish it in the first place.

BINGO!

[leaveitallbehind]

10 minutes ago, doghog said:

Great question to be asked at the Captains Corner. 😇

Nice thought, but I think you and I could both recite the answer verbatim - LOL. JMO.

Edited March 24 by leaveitallbehind

[LJ1012]

On the Navigator back in January, they kicked kids out of the Quest and another show...Majority Rules I think.  And in a way that the kid and the offending parent did a walk of shame...with a "buh bye" from the activity leader and others clapping.  However, this was just for the obvious ones who looked like kids...no age verification was done at the doors.  

  

[PhillyFan33579]

1 hour ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

 

So, in conclusion, if a staff members walks by, looks the other way, looks at the deck, looks at the sky, etc., their is not much a passenger can do about bad behavior or policy non-compliance.

 

A passenger has to do the same or choose another cruise line.

 

A new cruise line might do cast a blind eye to the same behavior.

 

As I stated earlier, these are policies and not law. We are at the mercy of the cruise line to decide when and if they enforce their own policies.

 

The best observation I can make is that profit will reign supreme over policy compliance unless the cruise lines suffer financial loses due to policy non-compliance.

 

I posted elsewhere about how check-in times were enforced in a haphazard way and it does not seem to matter at the ports that I have been to in the past year.

 

As passengers, we should not have to be policy enforcers on our vacations. Anyone being told what to do or not do will be perceived as a "bad man."

 

"No one knows what it is like to be the bad man......."  (Who's Next, 1971.Behind Blue Eyes),

Based on my observations, crew members do everything possible to avoid any type of confrontation with passengers. I think this is why you rarely see crew members confronting passengers even if they are doing something blatantly wrong per RCI rules and policies. 

[Mom*3]

17 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

At least in the Comedy Club and Quest

 

Not sure when this started but on our cruise last week on Odyssey they were carding kids at the doors and security was going around removing kids who had made it in prior to the event starting.  It is unlike before where they could be there with their parent, now it does not matter, if they are not 18 they are forced to leave regardless of whether their parents are standing beside them or not.  I heard the same thing from a friend with a 17 YO on Icon last week.

 

I am suspect that there started to be too many entitled parents who decided that their 12 yo was mature enough to go so they just made it black or white with no option for parental consent.

Odyssey March 10 sailing?
 

We were on that cruise. We witnessed security asking minors to leave the Seaplex during the Quest as well. But, having the Quest in that location is not ideal. Many kids are just hanging around all of the arcade games in the area, some didn’t even appear to be with their parents, they were just still leftover from the basketball tournament that was held prior. 
 

On a side note, my 22yr old daughter was carded at the Quest as security was escorting the minors out. My husband and I, and our 2 daughters (24 and 22) were seated near the railing.  We all had the Deluxe package and were each enjoying one drink at the time. She had a Truly so it was obvious what she was drinking. Security approached her and asked if she was 21, she said “Yes”. He asked to see her SeaPass, she handed it right over. Then he said “Is this actually your card?” I immediately said “She’s 22!”  He gave me a strange look, then moved on. At the time, I was a little irritated, but in the big picture, probably good that they check. 
 

[Ourusualbeach]

6 minutes ago, Mom*3 said:

Odyssey March 10 sailing?
 

We were on that cruise. We witnessed security asking minors to leave the Seaplex during the Quest as well. But, having the Quest in that location is not ideal. Many kids are just hanging around all of the arcade games in the area, some didn’t even appear to be with their parents, they were just still leftover from the basketball tournament that was held prior. 
 

On a side note, my 22yr old daughter was carded at the Quest as security was escorting the minors out. My husband and I, and our 2 daughters (24 and 22) were seated near the railing.  We all had the Deluxe package and were each enjoying one drink at the time. She had a Truly so it was obvious what she was drinking. Security approached her and asked if she was 21, she said “Yes”. He asked to see her SeaPass, she handed it right over. Then he said “Is this actually your card?” I immediately said “She’s 22!”  He gave me a strange look, then moved on. At the time, I was a little irritated, but in the big picture, probably good that they check. 
 

Yep, that was the cruise we were on.  That security guy was acting like he was on a power trip.

[theotherchad]

28 minutes ago, Mom*3 said:

Security approached her and asked if she was 21, she said “Yes”. He asked to see her SeaPass, she handed it right over. Then he said “Is this actually your card?” I immediately said “She’s 22!”  He gave me a strange look, then moved on. At the time, I was a little irritated, but in the big picture, probably good that they check. 
 

I'm sure that was irritating, but to be fair, at my age, everybody under maybe 35 looks like a 15 year old to me. 😁

[Engineroom Snipe]

26 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

 That security guy was acting like he was on a power trip.

@Ourusualbeach

 

This is the difficult thing being in any position of power over people's rights.

 

When exercising power by the color of law or in this case, the color of sea, experience is the most important thing. An experienced person would have known that a drink would not be served to a minor. To take this a bit further, if a Royal bartender handed this drink to an unauthorized person, they are breaking their own policies.

 

So bizarre for a person to accuse someone of using someone else's SeaPass. What is next, do I have to show you my passport? Oh, by the way, I did show you my passport when I boarded this cruise so what is your next move?

 

Something happened that caused such an intense scrutiny during a cruise which resulted in an over reaction by Royal.

 

Since this is reported over multiple ships, it was BIG. I do not know the trigger but this seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to an incident.

 

As we have all stated, Royal lets so many policies go unenforced.

 

There is always something else going on beneath the surface on these things.

 

 

[Ourusualbeach]

11 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

This is the difficult thing being in any position of power over people's rights.

There are better ways to approach this that simply glaring at the kids and stating "you out" without even addressing the parents standing right beside the child.

[Engineroom Snipe]

12 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

There are better ways to approach this that simply glaring at the kids and stating "you out" without even addressing the parents standing right beside the child.

Preaching to the choir.

 

Just treating people the same way you would like to be treated goes a  loooooo.....nnnnn.....ggggg way in any situation.

 

Again, this only seems to come with experience in law enforcement and security. The training budgets are almost non-existent and good examples from experienced mentors are hard to find.

 

I make no excuses for this behavior as it has been described.

Edited March 24 by Engineroom Snipe
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[Mom*3]

40 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

 

 

So bizarre for a person to accuse someone of using someone else's SeaPass. What is next, do I have to show you my passport? Oh, by the way, I did show you my passport when I boarded this cruise so what is your next move?

 

My first thought was, “we’re going to lose our seats if we have to go back to the room to get her passport,” Lol. We only walk around the ship with our phones, Seapasses and tip money. 
 

I am sure that I was more irritated than her. She’s a senior in college, so is probably carded on a weekly basis between bars, football tailgates, etc. It was just my gut reaction to my child’s honesty being questioned. And, again I’m not upset, I understand there may have been a reason, just passing on my experience.

[Engineroom Snipe]

5 minutes ago, Mom*3 said:

 We only walk around the ship with our phones, Seapasses and tip money. 
 

 

 

Perfectly understandable. For many hours during the day onboard, we only have our SeaPasses.

 

We only have tip money when we start to drink which is in the afternoon. My wife will carry her phone if she is waiting for an important update or message. I tend to leave mine behind in the cabin as much as possible.

 

You are on vacation and I think it is unreasonable to have to show your passport a second time when the ship already has it on file. Your daughter's picture should show up when her SeaPass is scanned and that is associated with her passport.

 

Sigh......, no common sense in this situation.

[island lady]

5 hours ago, lovesthebeach2 said:

Your last statement is unfortunately not a concern of some people….sadly. 
And parents that don’t supervise their children to show them consideration of others are not teaching them valuable lessons in life.

 

Agree totally.  Unfortunately those are not parents....they are breeders.    Parents show their children how to grow up to be respecting, mature adults.   

[gavvy]

2 hours ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

Based on my observations, crew members do everything possible to avoid any type of confrontation with passengers. I think this is why you rarely see crew members confronting passengers even if they are doing something blatantly wrong per RCI rules and policies. 

 

I think this is true, it doesn't help that end of cruise survey is taken and used for 'training' I'm sure no crew wants to be mentioned negatively in one of those.

 

It's all RCL doing really- they have the staff and means to deal with these things if they really want to.

[mjkacmom]

1 hour ago, Mom*3 said:

My first thought was, “we’re going to lose our seats if we have to go back to the room to get her passport,” Lol. We only walk around the ship with our phones, Seapasses and tip money. 
 

I am sure that I was more irritated than her. She’s a senior in college, so is probably carded on a weekly basis between bars, football tailgates, etc. It was just my gut reaction to my child’s honesty being questioned. And, again I’m not upset, I understand there may have been a reason, just passing on my experience.

My 27 year old looks young, she was recently asked to leave a bar because they insisted her ID was fake (it wasn’t). She was with her 4 younger siblings.

[island lady]

I really don't see the problem here.   When the ship lists an event as "adults only"...that is what it is.   Adults only.  

 

Those events are very rare.  Please parents...take your children to the other 99% of the ship where the little darlings can (and will) run wild.    

[OACAggie]

22 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

At least in the Comedy Club and Quest

 

Not sure when this started but on our cruise last week on Odyssey they were carding kids at the doors and security was going around removing kids who had made it in prior to the event starting.  It is unlike before where they could be there with their parent, now it does not matter, if they are not 18 they are forced to leave regardless of whether their parents are standing beside them or not.  I heard the same thing from a friend with a 17 YO on Icon last week.

 

I am suspect that there started to be too many entitled parents who decided that their 12 yo was mature enough to go so they just made it black or white with no option for parental consent.

They were scanning sea pass cards to get into Quest on Adventure at Christmas and refusing entry for under 18s. 

[lovesthebeach2]

3 hours ago, Engineroom Snipe said:

@Ourusualbeach

 

This is the difficult thing being in any position of power over people's rights.

 

When exercising power by the color of law or in this case, the color of sea, experience is the most important thing. An experienced person would have known that a drink would not be served to a minor. To take this a bit further, if a Royal bartender handed this drink to an unauthorized person, they are breaking their own policies.

 

So bizarre for a person to accuse someone of using someone else's SeaPass. What is next, do I have to show you my passport? Oh, by the way, I did show you my passport when I boarded this cruise so what is your next move?

 

Something happened that caused such an intense scrutiny during a cruise which resulted in an over reaction by Royal.

 

Since this is reported over multiple ships, it was BIG. I do not know the trigger but this seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to an incident.

 

As we have all stated, Royal lets so many policies go unenforced.

 

There is always something else going on beneath the surface on these things.

 

 

Someone else could get a drink and give it to a minor, so the security guard can’t go by that alone.  But happy to hear they’re checking.

[Engineroom Snipe]

55 minutes ago, lovesthebeach2 said:

Someone else could get a drink and give it to a minor, so the security guard can’t go by that alone.  But happy to hear they’re checking.

I agree someone could supply a drink to a minor.

 

This case was different that the passenger provided their SetSail pass and was questioned if it was "hers". Royal can scan the card and instantly get a picture of the guest without inferring or accusing the person of falsifying their identity.

 

After scanning, it would be found that they were of age to drink and be eligible to be in an adult venue.

 

I have been on Royal ships where they would scan my SeaPass at an event and saw my picture display on their small tablet as they scanned it.

[cruisegirl1]

I can’t understand why parents would bring a child into some adults only venues, especially those that are inappropriate for kids. I’m not talking about the solarium, I’m speaking of quest, or the adult comedy shows. 

Parents brought a child (looked to be about 8 or 10) into the 10:30pm adult comedy show in the Comedy  Club on Wonder. Comedian saw the kid, engaged the parents and said something like, “you know they’ll be some language and adult content here “.   Parents nodded. The comedian did a few jokes and it was clear he was someone guarded. (It was our second week on board, we had seen the first week so we knew he used language.) After the few jokes he said, “F it” (crowd applauded)  and did his regular show. 
 

We all had to show our sea pass card to get in. Even without, it was obvious we’re talking about a young child not a teen who might not pass the age requirement.  
I don’t know how or why that kid was taken in/let into the comedy club for an adult show.   I’m hoping some of the themes just run over the kids head.  There’s no staff except bar staff inside the venue (announcements and intros are taped) so no one to ask the family to leave. 

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Edited March 25 by cruisegirl1

[MaddyandMax]

They cards people on all adult only events when we were on the Oasis in 2022 and 2023.  I just assumed this was the new norm.  We were on the Liberty in September but as that was a kid-less cruise I don't remember if they cards people.

[island lady]

Most of the time if they are scanning your card, it is for highly booked events due to needing reservations.  Not really due to age.