Joy April 19 Repo cruise Los Angeles to Vancouver

[Luckycruising]

I know it’s a lot of sudden changes for NCL, but does anyone have any idea what might happen with this cruise?  It’s a 5 day cruise from LA to Vancouver with a stop to San Francisco.  From what i’m reading here, i don’t think they can change the final destination to Seattle for example because the ship wouldn’t have went to a foreign port, am i right?  And i think the purpose of this voyage was to bring the ship to Vancouver for the start of the Alaskan cruises.  Any idea when i will ear something from NCL?
 

thanks for any input you can give me

Edited March 14, 2020 by Luckycruising

[tallnthensome]

Nobody here could possibly know .......

 

[Newleno]

1 hour ago, Luckycruising said:

I know it’s a lot of sudden changes for NCL, but does anyone have any idea what might happen with this cruise?  It’s a 5 day cruise from LA to Vancouver with a stop to San Francisco.  From what i’m reading here, i don’t think they can change the final destination to Seattle for example because the ship wouldn’t have went to a foreign port, am i right?  And i think the purpose of this voyage was to bring the ship to Vancouver for the start of the Alaskan cruises.  Any idea when i will ear something from NCL?
 

thanks for any input you can give me

President Donald J Trump of the United States of America has broad powers and has declared a National Emergency, So in theory he could suspend the Jones Act, Canada has said no cruise ships until July,  just as important, will  the suspension of cruises be extended past 30 days?

[roger001]

As #2 said, there are absolutely no answers at all to any of this right now.  Your guess is as good as the next persons guess.  Way too early to  have any idea at all as to how this will end.  

[EllieinNJ]

We are in the same position on the Bliss from NY to Seattle April 19 with a stop in Victoria.  Most of us are playing the waiting game and hoping NCL cancels first so we can get cash refund instead of FCC.

[francina]

I know it’s a lot of sudden changes for NCL, but does anyone have any idea what might happen with this cruise?  It’s a 5 day cruise from LA to Vancouver with a stop to San Francisco.  From what i’m reading here, i don’t think they can change the final destination to Seattle for example because the ship wouldn’t have went to a foreign port, am i right?  And i think the purpose of this voyage was to bring the ship to Vancouver for the start of the Alaskan cruises.  Any idea when i will ear something from NCL?
 
thanks for any input you can give me

I read on some news site that cruises are being cancelled by all major cruise lines. I believe NCL is until May 10th.

I do know that they are offering the option to cancel your cruise within 48 hours of cruise to get full credit for future cruise.

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[CherWolf]

51 minutes ago, francina said:

I read on some news site that cruises are being cancelled by all major cruise lines. I believe NCL is until May 10th.

I do know that they are offering the option to cancel your cruise within 48 hours of cruise to get full credit for future cruise.

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A Letter from Norwegian Cruise Line President and CEO Harry Sommer

At Norwegian Cruise Line, we put our guests first, and today is no different.

Given the current health environment, I'd like to share an important update about Norwegian Cruise Line’s response to COVID-19. With the virus impacting communities around the globe, we have decided after collaboration with federal officials to voluntarily suspend cruise voyages across our fleet, effective immediately. This action is in effect for voyages with embarkation dates from March 13 to April 11, 2020. We will plan to recommence and operate with embarkations beginning April 12, 2020.

[UODuckMan]

2 hours ago, Newleno said:

President Donald J Trump of the United States of America has broad powers and has declared a National Emergency, So in theory he could suspend the Jones Act, Canada has said no cruise ships until July

Yea, probably something like this.  Canada is refusing entry of the cruise ships so they'll likely provide some type of an exception to the Jones Act through July for ships that had a Canadian port.

[hallux]

4 hours ago, EllieinNJ said:

We are in the same position on the Bliss from NY to Seattle April 19 with a stop in Victoria.  Most of us are playing the waiting game and hoping NCL cancels first so we can get cash refund instead of FCC.

Doesn't matter for that cruise as it also has stops in Costa Rica and Colombia, Victoria means nothing as far as foreign port stops on that cruise.  Provided, of course, that the ship is allowed to stop in all those ports.

[Jldevlin]

We are thinking it might just hang out in the ocean for the extra day and go to Seattle ....that is where it was headed after leaving Vancouver we think ....then headed to Alaska 

[BirdTravels]

16 hours ago, Luckycruising said:

I know it’s a lot of sudden changes for NCL, but does anyone have any idea what might happen with this cruise?  It’s a 5 day cruise from LA to Vancouver with a stop to San Francisco.  From what i’m reading here, i don’t think they can change the final destination to Seattle for example because the ship wouldn’t have went to a foreign port, am i right?  And i think the purpose of this voyage was to bring the ship to Vancouver for the start of the Alaskan cruises.  Any idea when i will ear something from NCL?
 

thanks for any input you can give me

Canada has banned all cruise ships with more than 500 people (including crew). They will re-evaluate on June 30. So, unless Canada prematurely lifts their ban, your cruise will cancel. NCL may “wait and see” and Only cancel once the fate of the Alaskan cruise season is more definite. 

[YVRBassElectric]

I’m scheduled on the Joy as well, I am assuming the sailing will be cancelled. I don’t think the outbreak will be under control in Seattle by April 25

[njhorseman]

15 hours ago, Newleno said:

President Donald J Trump of the United States of America has broad powers and has declared a National Emergency, So in theory he could suspend the Jones Act, Canada has said no cruise ships until July,  just as important, will  the suspension of cruises be extended past 30 days?

 

12 hours ago, UODuckMan said:

Yea, probably something like this.  Canada is refusing entry of the cruise ships so they'll likely provide some type of an exception to the Jones Act through July for ships that had a Canadian port.

It's the Passenger Vessel Services Act that governs passenger transportation . The Jones Act regulates cargo.

 

A waiver of the PVSA, or the Jones Act for that matter, requires that it "be necessary in the interest of national defense".

 

There's no national defense issue here...so don't hold your breath waiting for a waiver.

[BirdTravels]

12 hours ago, UODuckMan said:

Yea, probably something like this.  Canada is refusing entry of the cruise ships so they'll likely provide some type of an exception to the Jones Act through July for ships that had a Canadian port.

No. NCL would reposition the ship empty. Just like they move ships between Miami and New York and the prior Vancouver to Seattle repositioning). But it still has nowhere to go if Canada is refusing entry. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by BirdTravels

[em-sk]

11 hours ago, hallux said:

Doesn't matter for that cruise as it also has stops in Costa Rica and Colombia, Victoria means nothing as far as foreign port stops on that cruise.  Provided, of course, that the ship is allowed to stop in all those ports.

 

I think that is the case for passengers that join the ship in New York or Florida.  The problem would be passengers that join the ship in California.   

 

I believe the call in Victoria is to make the cruise legal for people who board in LAX.

Edited March 15, 2020 by em-sk

[don't-use-real-name]

People people people - need to think other ports for that PVSA box -

Victoria - Vancouver - Prince Rupert - Nanaimo all Canada won't work !

 

Have the Alaska cruises start at Los Angeles (San Pedro-Long Beach) or San Francisco

visit the Alaskan ports and return to stop at Ensenada MX for the regulatory port call satisfying the PVSA.

Yes this would be more than the usual 7 day cruise more like 10 or more with SEA days

 

Potential port calls other than in Alaska -

Seattle

Astoria (Portland)

San Francisco

Monterey

Santa Barbara

Santa Catalina Island

Los Angeles (San Pedro & Long Beach)

San Diego *** would be a great origin-destination port

and ENSENADA MX for the required PVSA port call.

 

Note - Ensenada is the port used by cruise lines going to and from Hawaii from USA mainland

 

Alaska ports -

Ketchikan

Juneau

Skagway/Haines

Icy Strait Point

Sitka

Anchorage (Seward & Whittier)

Glaciers:

Hubbard

Glacier Bay

Dawes-Endicott Arm

Sawyer-Tracy Arm

 

Something to dwell on while we wait for the virus to subside.

 

Indeed the rescinding of the PVSA act would be a huge aid to fostering the cruise industry in the USA.

As noted from the above the port combinations could be almost endless to offering cruisers a new itinerary.

The east coast and gulf would offer even more.

 

Frankly I don't see any effort or movement to start USA flagged cruising - and if we did we would have to

hire help to service the guests with a level of help we do in the agriculture field since the work would only be

favorable to underpaid employees or affordable to the ship owners. Dose of reality !

In this day and age the PVSA (Passengers) and Jones Act (Cargo) are really protecting no one in the USA

 

[hallux]

6 hours ago, em-sk said:

The problem would be passengers that join the ship in California.

I don't see that being sold on the site, my point remains...

[chengkp75]

6 hours ago, don't-use-real-name said:

In this day and age the PVSA (Passengers) and Jones Act (Cargo) are really protecting no one in the USA

From the very narrow perspective of the cruise industry, the PVSA may not be protecting much (one NCL ship, and a couple of small cruise lines), but the two acts do protect a robust coastwise cargo and passenger trade.  The Jones Act cargo trade injects more money into the US economy than the cruise industry does, and the PVSA protects tens of thousands of jobs, and hundreds of millions of dollars in the US economy in the domestic passenger vessel trade (ferries, commuter boats, water taxis, casino boats, dinner cruises, whale watching, and charter fishing, etc), as well as both acts protect the entire US from foreign flag operators filling our harbors and rivers with vessels that aren't required to meet all USCG safety requirements, or training requirements for officers and crew.

[Newleno]

6 hours ago, don't-use-real-name said:

People people people - need to think other ports for that PVSA box -

Victoria - Vancouver - Prince Rupert - Nanaimo all Canada won't work !

 

Have the Alaska cruises start at Los Angeles (San Pedro-Long Beach) or San Francisco

visit the Alaskan ports and return to stop at Ensenada MX for the regulatory port call satisfying the PVSA.

Yes this would be more than the usual 7 day cruise more like 10 or more with SEA days

 

Potential port calls other than in Alaska -

Seattle

Astoria (Portland)

San Francisco

Monterey

Santa Barbara

Santa Catalina Island

Los Angeles (San Pedro & Long Beach)

San Diego *** would be a great origin-destination port

and ENSENADA MX for the required PVSA port call.

 

Note - Ensenada is the port used by cruise lines going to and from Hawaii from USA mainland

 

Alaska ports -

Ketchikan

Juneau

Skagway/Haines

Icy Strait Point

Sitka

Anchorage (Seward & Whittier)

Glaciers:

Hubbard

Glacier Bay

Dawes-Endicott Arm

Sawyer-Tracy Arm

 

Something to dwell on while we wait for the virus to subside.

 

Indeed the rescinding of the PVSA act would be a huge aid to fostering the cruise industry in the USA.

As noted from the above the port combinations could be almost endless to offering cruisers a new itinerary.

The east coast and gulf would offer even more.

 

Frankly I don't see any effort or movement to start USA flagged cruising - and if we did we would have to

hire help to service the guests with a level of help we do in the agriculture field since the work would only be

favorable to underpaid employees or affordable to the ship owners. Dose of reality !

In this day and age the PVSA (Passengers) and Jones Act (Cargo) are really protecting no one in the USA

 

Great Solutions, We concur 

[gatour]

36 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

From the very narrow perspective of the cruise industry, the PVSA may not be protecting much (one NCL ship, and a couple of small cruise lines), but the two acts do protect a robust coastwise cargo and passenger trade.  The Jones Act cargo trade injects more money into the US economy than the cruise industry does, and the PVSA protects tens of thousands of jobs, and hundreds of millions of dollars in the US economy in the domestic passenger vessel trade (ferries, commuter boats, water taxis, casino boats, dinner cruises, whale watching, and charter fishing, etc), as well as both acts protect the entire US from foreign flag operators filling our harbors and rivers with vessels that aren't required to meet all USCG safety requirements, or training requirements for officers and crew.

Also it protects East Coast cruise lines that run up and down the intracoastal, along with other river cruises (Mississippi, etc)

[chengkp75]

2 hours ago, gatour said:

Also it protects East Coast cruise lines that run up and down the intracoastal, along with other river cruises (Mississippi, etc)

Those were the "couple of small cruise lines" I mentioned.  Blount Adventure and American Cruise Lines.

[BirdTravels]

4 hours ago, Newleno said:

Great Solutions, We concur 

There would be very limited market for a 2 week cruise from LA to Alaska via Mexico. NCL has been very successful in the 7 day cruise market (with a few longer cruises). 

[mianmike]

17 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

There would be very limited market for a 2 week cruise from LA to Alaska via Mexico. NCL has been very successful in the 7 day cruise market (with a few longer cruises). 

Yep, mostly just the displaced already booked Alaska cruisers and those of us within driving distance. The supply chain wouldn't be unlimited, but enough to fill the ships assuming coronavirus is somewhat under control.  I don't think coronavirus will be sufficiently managed to allow any U.S. cruises by spring and early summer.  I hope I'm wrong but I see too much coronavirus pandemic denial and willful ignorance.

[bonvoyagie]

DURN has an interesting point and solution - it was just a few years ago when there was some sort of viral outbreak in Mexico and at least one cruise line went north instead of south out of LA using Victoria as the foreign port stop. I remember Astoria seeing almost twice the ship traffic that year.

 

I agree that we are all just having to wait and see how this all shakes out - too many unknowns in the equation.

[Newleno]

38 minutes ago, BirdTravels said:

There would be very limited market for a 2 week cruise from LA to Alaska via Mexico. NCL has been very successful in the 7 day cruise market (with a few longer cruises). 

Yes we concur limited niche markets can be very successful (just look at the 80s cruise what a cash cow) and of course as stated numerous times on the threads the closer ports to Alaska could be used.  However the ban would have to be  lifted by the USA in order for this to take place.  Also if Canada were to lift their ban than the whole argument is moot.