DaveFr Posted September 17, 2020 #476 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Voyager is back in Livorno. Looks like it was just on a maintenance run. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveFr Posted September 25, 2020 #477 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Update: The Mariner is going through the Panama Canal enroute to Willemstad and the Splendor appears to be on a maintenance run in the Adriatic Sea. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruise Wonderland Posted September 29, 2020 #478 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Mariner is already in Willemstad (Curacao) now, joining Oceania Insignia + Norwegian Pearl + Norwegian Sky there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmcdaniel Posted October 12, 2020 #479 Share Posted October 12, 2020 The Navigator left Livorno and is now in Naples and the Explorer is tooling around the Adriatic. If the ships are considered layed up it doesn’t look to be a super cool layup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flossie009 Posted October 13, 2020 #480 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Picture of Navigator docked in Naples (from Norwegian Jade's Bridge webcam a few minutes ago): Also just visible among the ships on the far left of this Gulf of Naples webcam. The crew must have decided that the pizzas are better in Naples than Livorno 😉 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tert333 Posted October 27, 2020 #481 Share Posted October 27, 2020 The Navigator is out to see again. Looks like they are keeping in "warm" so they can use it. https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:13.5/centery:40.2/zoom:9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flossie009 Posted December 1, 2020 #482 Share Posted December 1, 2020 An interesting article from India regarding potential NCLH crew movements: The Times of India (Nov 22, 2020) .... including these paragraphs: "Norwegian Escape is carrying crew members for Regent Seven Seas and Oceania Cruises and the crew members will be dropped off in Europe to their respective cruise vessels. Fondekar expects another cruise liner, Norwegian Joy, which is presently at Manila, to come to Goa and Mumbai to pick up crew members in the coming weeks" Norwegian Escape is en route from Mumbai to the Suez Canal. Norwegian Joy has left Manila and is en route to Singapore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcardad Posted December 1, 2020 #483 Share Posted December 1, 2020 This has been delayed pending news at the end of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrvlcruiser Posted December 1, 2020 #484 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) Pcardad: what is "this"? The actual movement of the ships? (they are where Flossie stated) Or something else? Peggy Edited December 1, 2020 by xrvlcruiser edited 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG2003 Posted December 1, 2020 #485 Share Posted December 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, xrvlcruiser said: Pcardad: what is "this"? The actual movement of the ships? (they are where Flossie stated) Or something else? Peggy My question too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcardad Posted December 2, 2020 #486 Share Posted December 2, 2020 There should be an update VERY soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallydave Posted December 2, 2020 #487 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Pcardad said: There should be an update VERY soon... Yes, here it is https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23978-norwegian-cruise-line-holdings-cancels-all-january-and-february-cruises.html?fbclid=IwAR1vcpDBmLeX-603_wOUOqnFYkxMiL4w6OXt3YvPYJby0p-15MOJDK9w3sI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG2003 Posted December 2, 2020 #488 Share Posted December 2, 2020 here is the sad update: “Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings today announced an extension of its previously announced suspension of global cruise voyages, now extending through February for its Norwegian brand, as the company continues to work through its return to service plan to meet the requirements of the Framework for Conditional Sailing Order issued by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The company operates the Norwegian Cruise Line, Oceania Cruises and Regent Seven Seas Cruises brands. The suspension now includes all voyages on Norwegian Cruise Line embarking between January 1 through February 28 and select voyages in March 2021 and all voyages on Oceania Cruises and Regent Seven Seas Cruises embarking between January 1 through March 31, 2021.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlevin Posted December 2, 2020 #489 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Again cancellations but nothing of a plan for resumption; very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcardad Posted December 2, 2020 #490 Share Posted December 2, 2020 They are planning (for all reasonable eventualities) but have to modify their plans so often that they see no point in releasing info until there is some degree of certainty it will actually happen. This is not direct from a corporate source but via a middleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlevin Posted December 2, 2020 #491 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Pcardad said: They are planning (for all reasonable eventualities) but have to modify their plans so often that they see no point in releasing info until there is some degree of certainty it will actually happen. This is not direct from a corporate source but via a middleman. That may be true; however, from a lay person outside the industry it seems that NCLH is going to run out of funds about April or May and will need to restructure. Carnival, RCG, and Genting have all returned to sea in Asia and/or Europe and no movement from NCLH. Edited December 2, 2020 by mrlevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcardad Posted December 2, 2020 #492 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I've heard they are liquid through the end of 2021....those tiny amount of sailings you mention have no impact on the bottom line. My connections aren't worried about the company itself...although they are not happy about their own situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallydave Posted December 2, 2020 #493 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pcardad said: I've heard they are liquid through the end of 2021....those tiny amount of sailings you mention have no impact on the bottom line. My connections aren't worried about the company itself...although they are not happy about their own situations. Well, that is truly suspect since they said many months ago that they were set financially for a year yet since that information they have gone out and indebted themselves twice more for additional cash. And would hardly call 25% of annual cruises a tiny amount. Now with this update up to a full year without income.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snore42 Posted December 2, 2020 #494 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Consolidation is coming in the first half of next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcardad Posted December 2, 2020 #495 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Neither RCG nor Carnival have resumed sailing 25% of their cruises....what are you talking about? Set for a year...and that was a 10-K filing right...I doubt they are lying to the government in that. Add in more financing and further updates and I have absolutely no doubt they are good until the end of the year. It is not a great situation for anyone in the industry but a year without income is, in of itself, not the entire picture. Burn rate vs. reserves = how long they have. When Wall St. tanks the stock again, I will worry....but not until then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcardad Posted December 2, 2020 #496 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Snore42 said: Consolidation is coming in the first half of next year. This is possible at some point in the future...I doubt in the first 6 months. Is this your opinion or do you have direct knowledge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlevin Posted December 2, 2020 #497 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pcardad said: Burn rate vs. reserves = how long they have. When Wall St. tanks the stock again, I will worry....but not until then. That is assuming they have positive cash flow once they start up. Also, I believe the European agreement to wave payments on ships is only for a year ending next spring. Without generating at least some income and/or lowering burn rate I don't think they can make it through 2021; maybe it is time to scrap the R ships as the ones on the resale market haven't been moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcardad Posted December 2, 2020 #498 Share Posted December 2, 2020 My guess for a first sail is looking better and better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallydave Posted December 2, 2020 #499 Share Posted December 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, rallydave said: those tiny amount of sailings you mention have no impact on the bottom line. You said the above. And, I said 15 minutes ago, rallydave said: And would hardly call 25% of annual cruises a tiny amount. Canceling thru March is 3 months or 25% of a year Not talking about resuming sailings, talking about another 25% of the annual sailings being cancelled today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrlevin Posted December 2, 2020 #500 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Pcardad said: My guess for a first sail is looking better and better! You don't think we will have "test" sailings in January with revenue seven day Caribbean sailings by February? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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