TroubleT Posted April 26, 2020 #1 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Italy will stay closed to tourists till the end of 2020. Spain will follow. France will do the same.... We already know it well: No cruising (Europe/TA) till April 2021 at best... https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/italy-to-remain-closed-for-tourism-until-end-of-year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare shipshape sam Posted April 26, 2020 #2 Share Posted April 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, TroubleT said: Italy will stay closed to tourists till the end of 2020. Spain will follow. France will do the same.... We already know it well: No cruising (Europe/TA) till April 2021 at best... https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/italy-to-remain-closed-for-tourism-until-end-of-year At least we know. Caribbean will be interesting to see how they react. At least there are private islands or private areas that the cruise lines may be able to work out some itineraries. I also think short cruises may work best at first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMLAalum Posted April 26, 2020 #3 Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, TroubleT said: Italy will stay closed to tourists till the end of 2020. Spain will follow. France will do the same.... We already know it well: No cruising (Europe/TA) till April 2021 at best... https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/italy-to-remain-closed-for-tourism-until-end-of-year We've been holding off cancelling our cancelled cruise post-cruise plans for time in the Bordeaux/Dordogne regions and Paris in early September. I was looking at the UA website yesterday to see what options might be available if we could transfer our ff flights to CDG instead of CPH and available flights to Paris were numerous, which gave me hope we could still visit France. Awaiting an official announcement from the French government - preferably sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted April 26, 2020 #4 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Cruises in Northern Europe do not include Italy or Spain or France.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchclogs Posted April 26, 2020 #5 Share Posted April 26, 2020 We still don't know about closure of Italian borders for a fact. At least I can find no official announcement, as yet. Minister said "The opening of the borders will depend on the epidemiological situation and the policies of each individual state,” Like poster above we're awaiting an official announcement from the Italian government , preferably sooner than later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingBill Posted April 26, 2020 #6 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Confusing. The article says the borders may be closed but museums and attractions may resume in a May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam.Seattle Posted April 26, 2020 #7 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Time for a cruise to nowhere and repeal the Jones Act? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helen haywood Posted April 26, 2020 #8 Share Posted April 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, SingBill said: Confusing. The article says the borders may be closed but museums and attractions may resume in a May That's not confusing. The borders are closed but people living in Italy will be able to resume some normal activities. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeFromConnecticut Posted April 26, 2020 #9 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 hours ago, TroubleT said: Italy will stay closed to tourists till the end of 2020. Spain will follow. France will do the same.... We already know it well: No cruising (Europe/TA) till April 2021 at best... https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/italy-to-remain-closed-for-tourism-until-end-of-year Yes. The reality about fall TAs has been out there for a while, but there's a core of cruisers who just refuse to see it. The cancelation of Oktoberfest was the most recent tipoff. People everywhere are sick of the virus, the shutdowns, the distancing, the masks, all of it. However, this is about science: And biology simply doesn't care about how any of us feel, what we want, how the economy is hurting or when we'd like to take a relaxing 10-day repositioner. Science doesn't care about any of that ... which is why cruising remains shut for the foreseeable future. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mahdnc Posted April 26, 2020 #10 Share Posted April 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, Sam.Seattle said: Time for a cruise to nowhere and repeal the Jones Act? I doubt that the US government would be inclined to repeal (or temporarily suspend) the Jones Act to help the cruise industry right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabear Posted April 26, 2020 #11 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Were did you get that Spain and France will follow and close borders to tourist? Is it only your opinion? The article is only for Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonderMan3 Posted April 26, 2020 #12 Share Posted April 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, helen haywood said: That's not confusing. The borders are closed but people living in Italy will be able to resume some normal activities. Correct. The country needs to start to test phased openings to determine if things can start to get back to normal. Don't want to open the country up to visitors until you know you can handle things with the native population first. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubens Posted April 26, 2020 #13 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I cannot read anything about Spain and France. Why are you so sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonderMan3 Posted April 26, 2020 #14 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, TroubleT said: Italy will stay closed to tourists till the end of 2020. Spain will follow. France will do the same.... We already know it well: No cruising (Europe/TA) till April 2021 at best... https://nation.com.pk/26-Apr-2020/italy-to-remain-closed-for-tourism-until-end-of-year I had guessed about a month ago that we wouldn't see cruising start again until the full Caribbean season starts this November so this does not surprise me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroubleT Posted April 26, 2020 Author #15 Share Posted April 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, rubens said: I cannot read anything about Spain and France. Why are you so sure? I understand that we all absolutely need "to read" about it. And I am not sure... It's just my wild guess... Italy will stay closed, but Spain (with its numbers) will welcome tourists from all over the world. Seriously? It's a chain reaction. Like many of us I still have a couple of cruises booked and would love to jump on that ship, but it's not going to happen this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
az_tchr Posted April 26, 2020 #16 Share Posted April 26, 2020 2 hours ago, SingBill said: Confusing. The article says the borders may be closed but museums and attractions may resume in a May How is some museums opening like Pompeii and the Colosseum confusing? Places where social distancing possible will open first. Duh. They also will open first to Italians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICCruisers Posted April 26, 2020 #17 Share Posted April 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mahdnc said: I doubt that the US government would be inclined to repeal (or temporarily suspend) the Jones Act to help the cruise industry right now. It is not the Jones Act. It is the PVSA Act. Jones Act is about Cargo Vessels and PVSA is about Passenger Vessels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Vessel_Services_Act_of_1886 Edited April 26, 2020 by RICCruisers Added Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mahdnc Posted April 26, 2020 #18 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, RICCruisers said: It is not the Jones Act. It is the PVSA Act. Jones Act is about Cargo Vessels and PVSA is about Passenger Vessels. Thank you for that clarification. I don't think my opinion about the US government's willingness to suspend it will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisequeen4ever Posted April 26, 2020 #19 Share Posted April 26, 2020 That’s like here in AK. We aren’t supposed to travel out of state, but we are now allowed to go camping around the state via car. Anyone entering our state has to do a 14 day quarantine. They’re testing the waters. It makes sense to do before fully opening up to visitors. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted April 26, 2020 #20 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, SingBill said: Confusing. The article says the borders may be closed but museums and attractions may resume in a May They do have residents that also visit museums and attractions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Turtles06 Posted April 26, 2020 #21 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said: The reality about fall TAs has been out there for a while, but there's a core of cruisers who just refuse to see it. It's astonishing, isn't it, how many people think there will be cruises in the not-too-distant future? We've long been booked on a fall TA out of Italy, with port calls in other hard-hit countries, including France and Spain, and we've been thinking for some time that it will not be a go. I can't imagine making final payment (early July) even if the cruise line hasn't cancelled the cruise. Yet there are folks who think they will be going on this cruise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorky Posted April 26, 2020 #22 Share Posted April 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Turtles06 said: It's astonishing, isn't it, how many people think there will be cruises in the not-too-distant future? We've long been booked on a fall TA out of Italy, with port calls in other hard-hit countries, including France and Spain, and we've been thinking for some time that it will not be a go. I can't imagine making final payment (early July) even if the cruise line hasn't cancelled the cruise. Yet there are folks who think they will be going on this cruise. I’m not sure anyone thinks they are still going on a cruise to countries that have announced they are closed to tourists through 2020 are there. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingBill Posted April 26, 2020 #23 Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, SingBill said: Confusing. The article says the borders may be closed but museums and attractions may resume in a May I wish I knew how to delete this post but I don’t. If anyone can politely tell me how to I will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptrpanpens Posted April 26, 2020 #24 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Who wants to go on a cruise wearing a mask? Who wants to walk around Europe or anywhere else with many attractions possibly closed (and wearing a mask). Who wants to fly 12 hours in a mask? I don't.😱 Think I will wait for a vaccine or effective virus medication before I think of traveling to Europe or going on a cruise again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Turtles06 Posted April 26, 2020 #25 Share Posted April 26, 2020 Just now, yorky said: I’m not sure anyone thinks they are still going on a cruise to countries that have announced they are closed to tourists through 2020 are there. ? It's not an official announcement yet, as far as I can tell from that article. In any event, it really doesn't take an announcement to conclude that cruises this fall, especially involving hard-hit countries, aren't in the cards. I wish I were wrong, but there is very little chance there will be a safe and effective vaccine by then, let alone one that has been widely available. And given how badly the U.S. has been hit, why do we even think other countries will allow Americans to enter freely? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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