harkinmr Posted April 13, 2021 #226 Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 hours ago, nocl said: Unfortunately there is no clarity on what the cruise lines will require when they restart in the US. Spokesman from CCL and RCL have stated that it is uncertain if vaccinations will be required when cruises restart from the US. That it depends upon what CDC requires, but CDC cannot require them with the current EUA status, only recommend De Santis is saying that his rules does apply to cruises leaving from Florida, though legal experts disagree. the following article references the coments from the cruise lines https://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-silversea-cruises-to-require-vaccinations-20210412-7ok6fwabpndc5aop6oyla5tgvq-story.html DeSantis has no legal authority to prevent the cruise lines from requiring vaccines. He knows that. He's just playing to his political base. On the one hand he sues to open cruising purporting to care about business losses in Florida, but then turns around and sticks a pin in it by saying he will not allow cruise lines to require vaccines to restart. He can't seem to get out of his own way. And I'm trying to be kind here. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homosassa Posted April 13, 2021 #227 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I also do not believe that the Florida Governor can stop cruise lines from requiring proof of vaccination for boarding a ship. All his screaming is about government issued "vaccination passports," not a private citizen voluntarily providing vaccination information As others have mentioned, the posturing is more about political appeal to a small segment of the population. I am putting my money where my mouth is and telling my travel agent today to make final payment on a cruise leaving from Miami the last week in July. (Yes, I have taken into consideration the cruise lines policy in cancellations, future cruise credit and refunds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike981 Posted April 13, 2021 #228 Share Posted April 13, 2021 15 hours ago, D C said: To which rules are you referring? You know little things like keeping kids out of adult areas and chair hogging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D C Posted April 13, 2021 #229 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, K.T.B. said: Could, but it wouldn't logistically work. Florida has 5 cities that have ports the cruises use. In those cities that have, IIRC, at least 3 piers from which cruise ships dock. No other state could handle it without some major renovations. Most cruises embark on Sat/Sun. Could make do with fewer piers if that were spread out across the rest of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted April 13, 2021 #230 Share Posted April 13, 2021 55 minutes ago, D C said: Most cruises embark on Sat/Sun. Could make do with fewer piers if that were spread out across the rest of the week. I guessing that most cruises embark on Sat/Sun to coincide with peoples vacations. Every place I worked vacations ran from Monday through Sunday, though you could use one week a day at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D C Posted April 13, 2021 #231 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, grandgeezer said: I guessing that most cruises embark on Sat/Sun to coincide with peoples vacations. Every place I worked vacations ran from Monday through Sunday, though you could use one week a day at a time. Oh for sure. But it's an option to move more ships though fewer terminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fouremco Posted April 13, 2021 #232 Share Posted April 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, grandgeezer said: I guessing that most cruises embark on Sat/Sun to coincide with peoples vacations. Every place I worked vacations ran from Monday through Sunday, though you could use one week a day at a time. A good number of cruises out of Florida do not run on a 7-night cycle or multiple of 7 nights coinciding with a weekend. For example, Celebrity reduced its 14-night Southern Caribbean cruises to 12 nights a few years ago, and alternate them with 9-night cruises, so lots of weekday embarkations. COVID aside, I don't think that Celebrity or other lines have lost passengers because of weekday starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted April 13, 2021 Author #233 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Looks like the Florida senators and one from Alaska have decided to take the congressional approach to help get cruises started back up in July. Senators Introduce Bill Allowing To Restart Cruising by July 4 - Cruise Industry News | Cruise News 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted April 13, 2021 #234 Share Posted April 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Ken the cruiser said: Looks like the Florida senators and one from Alaska have decided to take the congressional approach to help get cruises started back up in July. Senators Introduce Bill Allowing To Restart Cruising by July 4 - Cruise Industry News | Cruise News Isn't this the same as they proposed last year. To replace the CDC's authority over cruise lines with a joint committee. Did not go anywhere when they proposed it last year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.T.B. Posted April 13, 2021 #235 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Well, if anyone thought that cruise lines couldn't make it a requirement to be vaccinated, legal experts say that can: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/can-businesses-require-vaccination-proof-experts-say-yes/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted April 13, 2021 #236 Share Posted April 13, 2021 It appears that RCL just announced that all passengers and crew must be properly vaccinated before getting on one of their ships. I would like them to announce that since the governor of Florida says that they can't do it, they will immediately start to move all their ships out of the state. See if he blinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted April 13, 2021 Author #237 Share Posted April 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, nocl said: Isn't this the same as they proposed last year. To replace the CDC's authority over cruise lines with a joint committee. Did not go anywhere when they proposed it last year. At least they're consistent. 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted April 13, 2021 Author #238 Share Posted April 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, grandgeezer said: It appears that RCL just announced that all passengers and crew must be properly vaccinated before getting on one of their ships. I would like them to announce that since the governor of Florida says that they can't do it, they will immediately start to move all their ships out of the state. See if he blinks. Who it be possible for you to provide the link where you read this? The best I can find is a response to a FAQ on the RCCL web site which says: At this time, we are requiring guests 18 years and older to be fully vaccinated for COVID-19, along with all crew members onboard. It also adds this qualifier at the bottom of the answer: At this time, our guest vaccination requirements apply to sailings departing from Israel, Bahamas, Bermuda, and Cyprus. We continue to work with local health authorities and our Healthy Sail Panel on the necessary protocols for all other sailings, and will keep guests informed of any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare markeb Posted April 13, 2021 #239 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Ken the cruiser said: Looks like the Florida senators and one from Alaska have decided to take the congressional approach to help get cruises started back up in July. Senators Introduce Bill Allowing To Restart Cruising by July 4 - Cruise Industry News | Cruise News Other than requiring the CDC to rescind their order (not going to pass the House), everything else mentioned here is already in the January 21st Executive Order. So no actual change, and we'll know what comes out of the existing Interagency process that's already going on long before this would even get a hearing. Macbeth, Act 5, scene 5 So they couldn't even get Sen Murkowski to join this? The second Senator from Alaska? Blazing Saddles. I'd post the YouTube, but it's too politically incorrect, and has language issues. Harrumph. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted April 13, 2021 #240 Share Posted April 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, markeb said: Other than requiring the CDC to rescind their order (not going to pass the House), everything else mentioned here is already in the January 21st Executive Order. So no actual change, and we'll know what comes out of the existing Interagency process that's already going on long before this would even get a hearing. Macbeth, Act 5, scene 5 So they couldn't even get Sen Murkowski to join this? The second Senator from Alaska? Blazing Saddles. I'd post the YouTube, but it's too politically incorrect, and has language issues. Harrumph. Naturally. It just looks good politically for the Senators involved. It ends up being a headline (not always entirely accurate) and few people read beyond the headline. But, hey, it allows people to get a little excited (baselessly or not). It's just sad when reality hits again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride-The-Waves Posted April 13, 2021 #241 Share Posted April 13, 2021 The largest ports on the US east coast are, in order: - Ports of New York and New Jersey - Port of Savannah - Port of Virginia - Port of Charleston They could easily replace the ones in Florida. Especially considering that cruise passenger traffic will be probably less than 30 percent of pre-covid levels for at least a year or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NMTraveller Posted April 13, 2021 #242 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Ride-The-Waves said: The largest ports on the US east coast are, in order: - Ports of New York and New Jersey - Port of Savannah - Port of Virginia - Port of Charleston They could easily replace the ones in Florida. Especially considering that cruise passenger traffic will be probably less than 30 percent of pre-covid levels for at least a year or more. I have been on a cruise from NY/NJ to the Carribean and never again. Way too many sea days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mom says Posted April 14, 2021 #243 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Ride-The-Waves said: The largest ports on the US east coast are, in order: - Ports of New York and New Jersey - Port of Savannah - Port of Virginia - Port of Charleston They could easily replace the ones in Florida. Especially considering that cruise passenger traffic will be probably less than 30 percent of pre-covid levels for at least a year or more. Port size is one thing. Are they primarily cargo ports? Having enough passenger terminals is another thing altogether. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTNORMANDIE Posted April 14, 2021 #244 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I have sat and read all the above. Basically it comes down to the big question...if the cruise lines declare that all passengers must be vaccinated and the CDC continues to deny cruising. Does this mean that the government does not believe the vaccines are effective??? I almost wish just one cruise ship would step up to bat and dock in Florida to take on passengers who have received the vaccines. The CDC could halt the cruise and a court would have to decide if the vaccine really works. If the vaccines are judged to be effective then cruising should commence. Those pax who want to cruise may do so at their own risk and those who want iron clad guarantees can stay home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted April 14, 2021 #245 Share Posted April 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, CGTNORMANDIE said: I have sat and read all the above. Basically it comes down to the big question...if the cruise lines declare that all passengers must be vaccinated and the CDC continues to deny cruising. Does this mean that the government does not believe the vaccines are effective??? I almost wish just one cruise ship would step up to bat and dock in Florida to take on passengers who have received the vaccines. The CDC could halt the cruise and a court would have to decide if the vaccine really works. If the vaccines are judged to be effective then cruising should commence. Those pax who want to cruise may do so at their own risk and those who want iron clad guarantees can stay home. A couple of points 1. The cruise lines have not submitted a plan to the CDC indicating that all passengers will be vaccinated so there is nothing for CDC to act on. 2. If a cruise line did not and ignore the order the enforcement arm is the Coast Guard. I doubt they would be successful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandgeezer Posted April 14, 2021 #246 Share Posted April 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, CGTNORMANDIE said: I have sat and read all the above. Basically it comes down to the big question...if the cruise lines declare that all passengers must be vaccinated and the CDC continues to deny cruising. Does this mean that the government does not believe the vaccines are effective??? I almost wish just one cruise ship would step up to bat and dock in Florida to take on passengers who have received the vaccines. The CDC could halt the cruise and a court would have to decide if the vaccine really works. If the vaccines are judged to be effective then cruising should commence. Those pax who want to cruise may do so at their own risk and those who want iron clad guarantees can stay home. The court would have no say if the vaccine really works, they would judge the incident of the ship docking and attempting to take on passengers. It would be such a blatant disregard of the order, I doubt a competent judge would even hear it. This would be the height of desperation, and I can’t believe the line would be naive enough to try it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah1212 Posted April 14, 2021 #247 Share Posted April 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, CGTNORMANDIE said:I have sat and read all the above. Basically it comes down to the big question...if the cruise lines declare that all passengers must be vaccinated and the CDC continues to deny cruising. Does this mean that the government does not believe the vaccines are effective??? I almost wish just one cruise ship would step up to bat and dock in Florida to take on passengers who have received the vaccines. The CDC could halt the cruise and a court would have to decide if the vaccine really works. If the vaccines are judged to be effective then cruising should commence. Those pax who want to cruise may do so at their own risk and those who want iron clad guarantees can stay home. I don’t think you can jump to the conclusion the government simply thinks vaccines are ineffective. There are a number of questions that there are no answers to yet. The vaccine conversation seems to be going hand in hand with eliminating the CSO which I think is very unlikely. You could say NCL has done the closest thing to taking a stance, but as far as I’m aware they only did it through an open letter rather than an actual proposal as requested by the CDC. There’s zero chance of them telling the CDC they will do 100% vaccinated cruises then being able to change their mind at the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTNORMANDIE Posted April 14, 2021 #248 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Jeremiah1212 said: I don’t think you can jump to the conclusion the government simply thinks vaccines are ineffective. There are a number of questions that there are no answers to yet. The vaccine conversation seems to be going hand in hand with eliminating the CSO which I think is very unlikely. You could say NCL has done the closest thing to taking a stance, but as far as I’m aware they only did it through an open letter rather than an actual proposal as requested by the CDC. There’s zero chance of them telling the CDC they will do 100% vaccinated cruises then being able to change their mind at the last minute. My proposition was purely hypothetical. My point is at some point the CDC has to stand behind the efficacy of the vaccines. Once that is affirmed then cruising should commence. Even the CDC does not have the right to shut down cruising indefinitely. It seems apparent that the CDC needs to come up with a plan as well. This is turning into an old fashioned standoff. One side is waiting for the other to blink. Edited April 14, 2021 by CGTNORMANDIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare markeb Posted April 14, 2021 #249 Share Posted April 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, CGTNORMANDIE said: My proposition was purely hypothetical. My point is at some point the CDC has to stand behind the efficacy of the vaccines. Once that is affirmed then cruising should commence. Even the CDC does not have the right to shut down cruising indefinitely. It seems apparent that the CDC needs to come up with a plan as well. This is turning into an old fashioned standoff. One side is waiting for the other to blink. No. One side has proposed its next step to the White House COVID coordinator as they were required by an executive order issued in January and has been mentioned several times. The same order required coordination of actions across multiple government departments. And at that level there is a stated priority for vaccine distribution and public health controls for 100 days. Which is about the end of April, which is the earliest I’d expect any announcements. Primarily from the COVID Coordinator. Normal order. The other parties appear to have done nothing but send out press releases complaining. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.T.B. Posted April 14, 2021 #250 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, mom says said: Port size is one thing. Are they primarily cargo ports? Having enough passenger terminals is another thing altogether. Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now