Carnival seeing some cruises over 100% occupancy

[jimbo5544]

We all knew it was coming.

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/27071-carnival-seeing-some-cruises-over-100-percent-occupancy.html

[crewsweeper]

This makes some sense given the timing of spring breaks.  So more than 2 people in a cabin.  But the question is,  how far over 100%?  101%? 110%? 150%?   Also, which ships and sailings?  3-4 day on smaller ships?  

 

If you were comfortable with full ships pre-COVID, nothing has changed.  Back to normal. If you have gotten too complacent with less the 50-70% capacity since the return of cruising, just suck it up.  

[mondello]

I'm on Vista 3/26 and I see interiors and suites are sold out. I expected a pretty full ship for our first Spring Break cruise.

[jimbo5544]

I believe the point I was going for was the days of 50% occupancy are over.  That is good news for all of us.

[sparks1093]

On our 2/20 Legend cruise we sailed at 110% capacity with around 500 kids.

[ledges1]

Sailed 8 day 2/26 Freedom from Miami at 77% (2300/3000). It seemed crowded on the Lido because the crew did not put out loungers on the upper decks. It forced a lot of chair saving.

[kdr69]

How do you sail with more than 100% occupancy?  someone sleeping in deck chairs?  If the ship has capacty for 3500 guests than thats 100% isnt it?  How do you get more than what you can sleep? Or am i looking at capacity wrong?  When an airline sells over capacity people get bumped cause there arent enough seats for everyone wouldnt it be the same for a ship?  1 bed = 1 person.😕

[ledges1]

Maybe trundle beds are not considered part of capacity. They are not made for adults. I do agree with your point about capacity and 1 per standard bed.

[csm5986142]

 

 

14 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

How do you sail with more than 100% occupancy?

 

I wondered that too, but from what I have read (so this could be wrong) capacity is based on double occupancy, even though many cabins can accommodate 4 people (even 5 in some cases).  So, from what I understand there is a difference between full capacity and all berths being full.

 

[Abr155]

3 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

We all knew it was coming.

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/27071-carnival-seeing-some-cruises-over-100-percent-occupancy.html

I am all about cruise lines getting back on their feet - it's great news! That said, if they are sailing at capacity +, it's time to bring everything back to "normal."  I recognize it will be a new normal, but, let's bring back Seuss at Sea for the kids - you're letting them sail, you're charging normal rate minus a few promotions on select sailings, so, provide what used to be included!  Let's get the kids club back open for even those under 5 - there are increased precautions for unvaccinated kiddos, so it should be safe assuming those precautions are working!

 

We don't sail until October - I'm hoping it'll be close to pre-Covid times. *fingers crossed*  While we booked assuming everything will still be limited and restrictive, one can hope for change!

[pe4all]

3 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

I believe the point I was going for was the days of 50% occupancy are over.  That is good news for all of us.

It is only really good news for the cruise lines.  Really enjoyed the 40% occupancy and low fare I had on Freedom in January, and even the 80% and low fare I had on Horizon in February.  Cruise prices also seem to have gone up quite a bit.  So glad I get casino offers.

[ledges1]

14 minutes ago, csm5986142 said:

 

 

 

I wondered that too, but from what I have read (so this could be wrong) capacity is based on double occupancy, even though many cabins can accommodate 4 people (even 5 in some cases).  So, from what I understand there is a difference between full capacity and all berths being full.

 

I found the same thing as you with my research. For example Carnival website say the Freedom guest capacity is 2980 another site says the total guest capacity is 3754. That is a big difference. On the Freedom, the CD used the smaller number to (2980)  calculate capacity at 77%(2300 passengers). Percentage to total capacity was really 61%. As they say, you can make numbers say whatever you want. In reality, ships very seldom sail at 100% total capacity.

[mondello]

33 minutes ago, kdr69 said:

How do you sail with more than 100% occupancy?  someone sleeping in deck chairs?  If the ship has capacty for 3500 guests than thats 100% isnt it?  How do you get more than what you can sleep? Or am i looking at capacity wrong?  When an airline sells over capacity people get bumped cause there arent enough seats for everyone wouldnt it be the same for a ship?  1 bed = 1 person.😕

100% is a full ship at double occupancy. All those third/fourth/fifth guests can take it up to max capacity of over 100%. It is 1 to a bed; sometimes they use a lot of those upper Pullman bunks and trundle beds.

[kalmich]

I was on the Panorama 3/12 sailing and it seemed full to me.  The crew said there were 4000+ on board.  This was an early spring break for schools so it wasn't overrun with kids.  The buffet was only half set up though.

[tidecat]

20 minutes ago, mondello said:

100% is a full ship at double occupancy. All those third/fourth/fifth guests can take it up to max capacity of over 100%. It is 1 to a bed; sometimes they use a lot of those upper Pullman bunks and trundle beds.

I've heard that the "Mendoza Line" in the cruise industry is 104% of double occupancy. For Carnival it may be higher given that their ships can hold between 120% and 130% of double occupancy.

[sanger727]

Occupancy and capacity are different numbers. Occupancy is usually based on the number of people you would have if you have 2 per room. Capacity is typically how much they will actually sell and related to lifeboat capacity. If they filled every room that could fit 3-5 with the maximum number of people, they would run out of lifeboat capacity before they ran out of beds. 

[ledges1]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://howtocruise.co.uk/are-there-enough-life-boats-on-a-cruise-ship/&ved=2ahUKEwiixIiN0dz2AhWGdt8KHXE-AiYQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw02pe27UZg3RtotFR5qo26J

 

The article above can give you comfort or scare you about lifeboats to capacity. It depends on the nature of the abandon ship disaster. In most cases you should be ok, other cases, maybe not. The article is interesting.

 

[bstel]

16 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

If they filled every room that could fit 3-5 with the maximum number of people, they would run out of lifeboat capacity before they ran out of beds. 

no they wouldn't.  you have to consider life rafts and boats

Edited March 23, 2022 by bstel

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4 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

I believe the point I was going for was the days of 50% occupancy are over.  That is good news for all of us.

It’s incredible news.

[cruisingguy007]

35 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

Occupancy and capacity are different numbers. Occupancy is usually based on the number of people you would have if you have 2 per room. Capacity is typically how much they will actually sell and related to lifeboat capacity. If they filled every room that could fit 3-5 with the maximum number of people, they would run out of lifeboat capacity before they ran out of beds. 

 

This. 

[sparks1093]

25 minutes ago, bstel said:

no they wouldn't.  you have to consider life rafts and boats

I believe SOLAS requires a seat in a life boat for every passengers. The life rafts are used for crew members and anyone that can't make it into a life boat. That is my understanding and will bow to the experts in this area.

[firefly333]

5 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

I believe the point I was going for was the days of 50% occupancy are over.  That is good news for all of us.

I booked the 14 days to Panama jan 2024. I dont know if there are casino deals or what but my roll calls gets new people daily...you wouldnt think so being so far out. Turns out I'm not the only crazy booking so far out. 

 

I'm cruising right now, first time without a mask. Took me a bit to quit reaching for it. Crew needs to get rid of them. The secret is out. Almost normal again.

[BlerkOne]

Avg capacity is running around 70%. In the good old days, Carnival might run at 104% capacity. I think besides lifeboat capacity, there are other considerations to figure max capacity (time to evacuate the ship?). Anyway the cruise ship will never run at 100% of beds filled.

[Cuckoo7]

Spring break cruise on the Glory, the CD said there were 3300 passengers.  Carnival website lists Glory capacity at 2980 passengers.  There were a ton of kids, of course.

[sparks1093]

1 hour ago, firefly333 said:

I booked the 14 days to Panama jan 2024. I dont know if there are casino deals or what but my roll calls gets new people daily...you wouldnt think so being so far out. Turns out I'm not the only crazy booking so far out. 

 

I'm cruising right now, first time without a mask. Took me a bit to quit reaching for it. Crew needs to get rid of them. The secret is out. Almost normal again.

We're in the process of planning a cruise for April 2024 and I hope to book it sooner rather than later.