Truth about dress code enforcement please, - not policy.

[DirtyDawg]

1 hour ago, RedneckBob said:

As far as clothing optional cruisers, I just don’t want to be the follow on cruise 😳

Then you REALLY have to watch those videos. You have to put your best ... Hmmm ... foot forward on clothing optional cruises! 😉

[Confuzzled]

1 minute ago, zitsky said:

Should there be no rules at all then?  I can wear a tshirt to the MDR that says F***U on it?

Establishments have every right to make rules and enforce them. I'm just agreeing with the previous poster that I don't understand why people get so upset about what other people are wearing. After reading this entire thread I've gathered that some people perceive that it's a form or disrespect and take it personally. I don't relate at all to feeling that way. I'm not bothered in the least about what other people wear.

 

Also, I disagree with what I view as a legalistic interpretation of the rules. I don't think wearing a nice black t-shirt with pressed khakis is a clear violation of the rules, nor do I think Celebrity would view it as such and call it out. 

[LGW59]

7 hours ago, peyeet said:

 

Appreciate all the responses, so far I've definitely gotten to understand more of where everyone is coming from. Above are examples of what I mean between what I tend to wear, and how to me it seems like a trivial difference. I am seeing several examples of "incorrect" behavior being quite extreme however, as I would understand the issues with someone not showering and being smellable, as well as someone with a ripped shirt or sweats showing up. However, when it comes to the vast majority of people you all would generally prefer to associate with, they have their heads on straight and would get 90% of the "way there". 

 

I guess my question is this. If someone comes into the MDR in the different outfits, how do you feel about each outfit? What about a specialty restaurant? What about Luminae? I know these are a few situations and the answer may be the same for all three, but I'm planning on going on an Edge class in an SS soon and will have to rethink my wardrobe choices if those of you with more experience do feel there is a significant difference, as for a 12 day cruise I would have to either get laundry done (not the end of the world) or pack mostly one or another type of shirt. Also not the end of the world, but this 22 year old does not own that many collared shirts yet!

 

I don't mean to come across as argumentative or goading in any way; it's not a conversation I've really ever had with people who have an opinion and experience on the matter. Any input or further discussion would be greatly appreciated!

IMO, these are all a very sharply dressed men, go for it!

[Guppy99]

4 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

IMO, these are all a very sharply dressed men, go for it!

they're models!!🙄 they look sharply dressed in their underwear

[LGW59]

1 minute ago, Guppy99 said:

they're models!!🙄 they look sharply dressed in their underwear

even better

 

[Guppy99]

9 minutes ago, Confuzzled said:

 After reading this entire thread I've gathered that some people perceive that it's a form or disrespect and take it personally. I

Nobody takes it personally.  This is a discussion. Everyone has an opinion.  Since the service provider has established a dress code, it is at best disrespectful not to observe it. The fact that they may not enforce it on any given ship or occasion, doesn't make it less disrespectful of their rules. They are establishing a minimal atmosphere for dining for their guests.  If you fail to comply, you are disrespecting the other guests.  If you don't want to observe the rules, you can go to the buffet or a few of the casual eateries. You are free to dress as you wish there.  

 

I don't understand this "I'll do whatever I want" attitude. I mean really....  why are you (and I use the general you) so special that the rules are for everyone except you? 

 

There is absolutely nothing onerous about the dress rules. Some people just never grow out of that "it's all about me" stage.

[Pinboy]

3 hours ago, DirtyDawg said:

Before your cruise Google "People of Walmart".

Don't wear any of that stuff.

Instead of Googling " People of Walmart ", go there--- You have lots of Walmart stores in Toronto.

 

[hrhdhd]

4 hours ago, Torfamm said:

By definition, a sports shirt has a collar. They include polo shirts and other casual shirts https://effortlessgent.com/dress-shirt-vs-sport-shirt/ 

 

The dress code does say no t-shirts as well

Note: T-shirts, swimsuits, robes, bare feet, tank tops, baseball caps and pool wear are not allowed in the main restaurant or specialty restaurant at any time. Shorts and flip-flops are not allowed in the evening hours.

By that definition, sure.

 

Dictionary.com says for "sport shirt": a long- or short-sleeved soft shirt for informal wear by men, having a squared-off shirttail that may be left outside the trousers, usually worn without a tie.

 

My husband thinks a "sports shirt" is a performance fabric shirt like he might wear for running. But he travels with me, so he doesn't wear those to the MDR.

Edited April 8, 2022 by hrhdhd

[Guppy99]

28 minutes ago, hrhdhd said:

By that definition, sure.

 

Dictionary.com says for "sport shirt": a long- or short-sleeved soft shirt for informal wear by men, having a squared-off shirttail that may be left outside the trousers, usually worn without a tie.

 

My husband thinks a "sports shirt" is a performance fabric shirt like he might wear for running. But he travels with me, so he doesn't wear those to the MDR.

The dictionary only works if celebrity referenced it when they wrote their dress code.

[DirtyDawg]

29 minutes ago, Pinboy said:

Instead of Googling " People of Walmart ", go there--- You have lots of Walmart stores in Toronto.

 

But them my eyes would be so damaged I couldn't drive home. 😵

 

Best to experience these dangerous horrors from the safety of one's own home. 

 

[Bo1953]

11 hours ago, WonderMan3 said:

OMG...anyone have an aspirin..sigh..

A nice Bordeaux or Chianti would be nice, as well... LOL

 

Cheers and bon voyage

[Bo1953]

8 hours ago, Ommadawn said:

 

The one that gets me every time is when people (almost always men) wear their belt and pants below their buttocks on the back side exposing most of their underwear and their buttcheeks. This cannot be sanitary and it definitely disgusts me every time that I see it.

What " This cannot be sanitary..." mean? Often times when I see individuals with this style and seated, skin is not touching the seat of the chair, unless I missed it... otherwise if the underwear is clean, no problem.

 

While, personally, I do not find it 'disgusting' I wish that I were in a position to speak to the individual to explain that while that style is fine with friends at home, in public it is a different issue... and try to help them understand the persona they are giving out and etc...

 

Not that I have ever, knowingly, wore my pants that way for any length of time i.e. between my dressing room and bathroom and almost tripping at that... LOL

 

bon voyage

[oskidunker]

On 4/6/2022 at 7:37 AM, mikewomb said:

Frankly we find people look worse than ever. Pajamas  on a plane, baseball caps in a restaurant.. many people have turned into slobs, and don’t care. I do not understand, why people want to look like they are mowing the yard?~

Agree. 

[zitsky]

22 minutes ago, Bo1953 said:

What " This cannot be sanitary..." mean? Often times when I see individuals with this style and seated, skin is not touching the seat of the chair, unless I missed it... otherwise if the underwear is clean, no problem.

 

While, personally, I do not find it 'disgusting' I wish that I were in a position to speak to the individual to explain that while that style is fine with friends at home, in public it is a different issue... and try to help them understand the persona they are giving out and etc...

 

Not that I have ever, knowingly, wore my pants that way for any length of time i.e. between my dressing room and bathroom and almost tripping at that... LOL

 

bon voyage

 

Well if people want to be consistent, they would show their underwear, but also have an undershirt sticking out below their dress shirt.  Maybe some of them already do?

 

I mean, I know fashion is strange at times but I never felt this need to show off my underpants.

 

I would like to know if there is a fashion choice that would make me "lose" 30 pounds?  Those black sweaters only go so far.

[peyeet]

 

5 hours ago, Guppy99 said:

I s this your first cruise ? You know  on a 12 cruise there are a few "chic" nights where people dress up nicer than the usual resort casual.  if you search "chic" you will see dozens of threads arguing about what chic means? (they used to be called formal and people used to dress in tuxes/dinner jackets and gowns). Those days are gone. However, on those evenings you will see a lot of jackets/suits and long sleeve button down shirts.  The time of year and itinerary matters how people pack too.

BTW....the picture above is a brand new black T and trim chinos.  The look changes a lot if the tshirt is faded or stretched out, and the chinos are baggy and too long or worn with dirty sneakers. So, you have to your use your own judgment.  If you are staying in a suite, you might want to spring for a few new shirts before going. 

This is not my first cruise, but first lengthier one where I would have to think about how much packing I am planning on doing for the trip, instead of a 7 day where it's pretty easy to pack a normal and nice shirt for every day. All of my shirts are new and the pants are nice, but the baggy / faded applies to all clothes -- I would think much less of someone in an ill fitting, faded suit and tie than in a well fitted one, so really again I was trying to clarify if those items of clothing were agreeable. Most people wouldn't add that caveat to their comment if I said I was wearing a suit, and yet when I ask about wearing relatively casual clothes all of a sudden people's minds leap to me rolling into Luminae on Chic night looking like I just finished doing an afternoon of yard work. While I understand there is a thinner line of acceptability between casual clothing to clothing that is too casual, it's pretty eye opening to see the mindset people have about different outfits on this spectrum. Again I do understand why it is easier to view a casual outfit as a slippery slope to a trashy one, it's not one that ever occurred to me as I've generally found people do their best to be as presentable as possible in the class of dress they are in. At least in the circles that I tend to associate with.

1 hour ago, zitsky said:

Should there be no rules at all then?  I can wear a tshirt to the MDR that says F***U on it?

Similar to what I was trying to say in a previous reply and in this one: that's such an extreme example that you should know it to be disingenuous. Generally, examples like these tend to shut down discussion, not foster it. 

 

I will say, I am still learning from this thread despite the difference of opinions. From what I've gathered, what I usually wear is fine, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some collars. And, on my next cruise (or special dining occasion), start paying attention to people around me and see what they're wearing to see how it personally changes how I view my dining experience so I can better understand where everyone is coming from.

[Guppy99]

29 minutes ago, peyeet said:

 

This is not my first cruise, but first lengthier one where I would have to think about how much packing I am planning on doing for the trip, instead of a 7 day where it's pretty easy to pack a normal and nice shirt for every day. All of my shirts are new and the pants are nice, but the baggy / faded applies to all clothes -- I would think much less of someone in an ill fitting, faded suit and tie than in a well fitted one, so really again I was trying to clarify if those items of clothing were agreeable. Most people wouldn't add that caveat to their comment if I said I was wearing a suit, and yet when I ask about wearing relatively casual clothes all of a sudden people's minds leap to me rolling into Luminae on Chic night looking like I just finished doing an afternoon of yard work. While I understand there is a thinner line of acceptability between casual clothing to clothing that is too casual, it's pretty eye opening to see the mindset people have about different outfits on this spectrum. Again I do understand why it is easier to view a casual outfit as a slippery slope to a trashy one, it's not one that ever occurred to me as I've generally found people do their best to be as presentable as possible in the class of dress they are in. At least in the circles that I tend to associate with.

Similar to what I was trying to say in a previous reply and in this one: that's such an extreme example that you should know it to be disingenuous. Generally, examples like these tend to shut down discussion, not foster it. 

 

I will say, I am still learning from this thread despite the difference of opinions. From what I've gathered, what I usually wear is fine, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some collars. And, on my next cruise (or special dining occasion), start paying attention to people around me and see what they're wearing to see how it personally changes how I view my dining experience so I can better understand where everyone is coming from.

Good for you. You have an excellent attitude and intelligent approach.  I suspect you will be very successful in whatever you choose to do in the future.

[zitsky]

30 minutes ago, peyeet said:

 

This is not my first cruise, but first lengthier one where I would have to think about how much packing I am planning on doing for the trip, instead of a 7 day where it's pretty easy to pack a normal and nice shirt for every day. All of my shirts are new and the pants are nice, but the baggy / faded applies to all clothes -- I would think much less of someone in an ill fitting, faded suit and tie than in a well fitted one, so really again I was trying to clarify if those items of clothing were agreeable. Most people wouldn't add that caveat to their comment if I said I was wearing a suit, and yet when I ask about wearing relatively casual clothes all of a sudden people's minds leap to me rolling into Luminae on Chic night looking like I just finished doing an afternoon of yard work. While I understand there is a thinner line of acceptability between casual clothing to clothing that is too casual, it's pretty eye opening to see the mindset people have about different outfits on this spectrum. Again I do understand why it is easier to view a casual outfit as a slippery slope to a trashy one, it's not one that ever occurred to me as I've generally found people do their best to be as presentable as possible in the class of dress they are in. At least in the circles that I tend to associate with.

Similar to what I was trying to say in a previous reply and in this one: that's such an extreme example that you should know it to be disingenuous. Generally, examples like these tend to shut down discussion, not foster it. 

 

I will say, I am still learning from this thread despite the difference of opinions. From what I've gathered, what I usually wear is fine, but it wouldn't hurt to bring some collars. And, on my next cruise (or special dining occasion), start paying attention to people around me and see what they're wearing to see how it personally changes how I view my dining experience so I can better understand where everyone is coming from.

 

What I read is that YOU have standards.  You just don't like OUR standards.

 

And you know, I WISH I could shut down this discussion.  But it doesn't work like that.  No one person (except the mods) gets to decide when a discussion is shut down or when it continues.

[peyeet]

1 minute ago, zitsky said:

 

What I read is that YOU have standards.  You just don't like OUR standards.

 

And you know, I WISH I could shut down this discussion.  But it doesn't work like that.  No one person (except the mods) gets to decide when a discussion is shut down or when it continues.

 

What I've gathered from this is that several people have several differing standards. There have been people who have agreed and disagreed, with varying levels of both sides, with what I am presenting as my opinion. It is unrealistic to think that my approach will allow for all parties to agree, but from what this thread has shown me the gist of things is do what makes you comfortable, be more cognizant of the breadth of opinions that exist, and that it is practically not feasible to appease everyone in the matter.

 

I disagree with your statement of disliking "our" standards, as those standards vary from person to person. While I have gotten negative responses, the majority have been positive/agreeable/ accepting, and while I now better understand the aspect of dressing to help elevate the experience of others, there's only so much you can do before it detracts from your own experience. I would prefer to be comfortable and acceptable to the majority of people than packing additional clothing I may not find as comfortable to be accepted by others, as that begins to detract from my own dining experience.

[Alushar]

Having joyously read through 8 pages of this knowing the World is getting back to normal when there's a dress code topic going wild I had a mile panic.

 

We are about to go on the Silhouette 2 weeks today and I'd sorted my clothes for DW to inspect ie iron as necessary. Included is one of my favourite newish shirts which has a grandad collar. I think I'm ok but may be panicking when in line or maybe wear it to a specialist restaurant! 

[zitsky]

3 minutes ago, peyeet said:

 

What I've gathered from this is that several people have several differing standards. There have been people who have agreed and disagreed, with varying levels of both sides, with what I am presenting as my opinion. It is unrealistic to think that my approach will allow for all parties to agree, but from what this thread has shown me the gist of things is do what makes you comfortable, be more cognizant of the breadth of opinions that exist, and that it is practically not feasible to appease everyone in the matter.

 

I disagree with your statement of disliking "our" standards, as those standards vary from person to person. While I have gotten negative responses, the majority have been positive/agreeable/ accepting, and while I now better understand the aspect of dressing to help elevate the experience of others, there's only so much you can do before it detracts from your own experience. I would prefer to be comfortable and acceptable to the majority of people than packing additional clothing I may not find as comfortable to be accepted by others, as that begins to detract from my own dining experience.

 

Some people talk about their standards.  Some people talk about cruise ship standards.  The only person you need to impress is the person at the door to the restaurant.

[LGW59]

6 minutes ago, peyeet said:

 

What I've gathered from this is that several people have several differing standards. There have been people who have agreed and disagreed, with varying levels of both sides, with what I am presenting as my opinion. It is unrealistic to think that my approach will allow for all parties to agree, but from what this thread has shown me the gist of things is do what makes you comfortable, be more cognizant of the breadth of opinions that exist, and that it is practically not feasible to appease everyone in the matter.

 

I disagree with your statement of disliking "our" standards, as those standards vary from person to person. While I have gotten negative responses, the majority have been positive/agreeable/ accepting, and while I now better understand the aspect of dressing to help elevate the experience of others, there's only so much you can do before it detracts from your own experience. I would prefer to be comfortable and acceptable to the majority of people than packing additional clothing I may not find as comfortable to be accepted by others, as that begins to detract from my own dining experience.

From what I have read of your comments, it seems to me that for a 22 yo man, you are very astute and mature and respectful.  Dress for YOU, not to meet "OUR" (whoever OUR is) standards.  You will do just fine and will def not take any enjoyment away from me if I were seated next to you with the clothing you prefer and I would hope mine do the same, though I don't dress for the clothing gawking police, I dress for me.

[dgoz]

14 hours ago, kwokpot said:

The photo is from Banana Republic's website in which they themselves call the shirt a T-Shirt. In any event the photo still represents the basic points I was trying to make in this thread; that is it's VERY easy to wear something that's EXTREMELY casual and comfortable, isn't dressing up,  and still look presentable enough to enter a Celebrity restaurant for dinner. It also exemplifies what I mean when people ask questions here on Cruise Critic about what is appropriate to wear. It all comes down to context. When someone asks is it OK to wear a T shirt and Jeans that can mean all sorts of things without some context of what the person asking is considering to wear. 

They are called long sleeved t-shirts. It's a thing.

[zitsky]

6 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

From what I have read of your comments, it seems to me that for a 22 yo man, you are very astute and mature and respectful.  Dress for YOU, not to meet "OUR" (whoever OUR is) standards.  You will do just fine and will def not take any enjoyment away from me if I were seated next to you with the clothing you prefer and I would hope mine do the same, though I don't dress for the clothing gawking police, I dress for me.

 

I suggest our 22 yo man take all this with a grain of salt and realize that this, like any other internet forum is a matter of back and forth, give and take.  It's not life or death.  So maybe some of the humor is hard to pick up on.

 

What this thread has taught me is that *everyone* has standards of some kind.

[LGW59]

2 hours ago, Pinboy said:

Instead of Googling " People of Walmart ", go there--- You have lots of Walmart stores in Toronto.

 

Excuse me PB but is going to Walmart akin to sailing on Carnimart?!

[DaKahuna]

Standards are like noses, everybody has one and they all smell things differently.