PVSA on B2B

[Alaska05]

I’m looking at B2B 3 day Pacific coastals on the Crown in October  
 

Seattle to Vancouver then Vancouver to San Francisco. I don’t think this goes afoul of the PVSA rules, but thought I’d check. 
 

Thanks.

[Steelers36]

6 minutes ago, Alaska05 said:

I’m looking at B2B 3 day Pacific coastals on the Crown in October  
 

Seattle to Vancouver then Vancouver to San Francisco. I don’t think this goes afoul of the PVSA rules, but thought I’d check. 
 

Thanks.

Yes, it does because you effectively cruise from Seattle to San Francisco and that is not a closed-loop voyage as you return to a different US port.

[Guest ldtr]

B2B same ship, starting and ending in different US cities, no far foreign port. Yes is would violate PVSA.

[Alaska05]

Thanks @ldtr and @Steelers36
 

That stinks.  I thought because Vancouver was involved I was good.  When are they going to abolish this for cruise ships.  I know they suspended it briefly during/after COVID to help with Alaska cruises because of Canada’s ban.  

[skynight]

like others mentioned boarding in Seattle disembarking in San Francisco is a violation as you have not visited a distant foreign port. Princess will not allow you to book these two itineraries b2b.

Edited August 6, 2023 by skynight

[startedwithamouse]

56 minutes ago, Alaska05 said:

I’m looking at B2B 3 day Pacific coastals on the Crown in October  
 

Seattle to Vancouver then Vancouver to San Francisco. I don’t think this goes afoul of the PVSA rules, but thought I’d check. 
 

Thanks.

It absolutely does as you board in Seattle and disembark in San Francisco.

[startedwithamouse]

22 minutes ago, Alaska05 said:

Thanks @ldtr and @Steelers36
 

That stinks.  I thought because Vancouver was involved I was good.  When are they going to abolish this for cruise ships.  I know they suspended it briefly during/after COVID to help with Alaska cruises because of Canada’s ban.  

Yes, this is why we always hit Cartagena Colombia on the full transit Panama Canal cruises since it checks the distant foreign port off the list. 

[Alaska05]

24 minutes ago, skynight said:

like others mentioned boarding in Seattle disembarking in San Francisco is a violation as you have not visited a distant foreign port. Princess will not allow you to book these two itineraries b2b.

Does it matter that the first leg stops at Victoria enroute to Vancouver?

[Cruise Junky]

6 minutes ago, Alaska05 said:

Does it matter that the first leg stops at Victoria enroute to Vancouver?

No

[1025cruise]

You aren't going to a distant foreign port. That violates the PVSA.

 

[Alaska05]

1 minute ago, 1025cruise said:

You aren't going to a distant foreign port. That violates the PVSA.

 

Then why does Victoria count on a round trip Seattle

[Guest ldtr]

2 hours ago, Alaska05 said:

Does it matter that the first leg stops at Victoria enroute to Vancouver?

Nope. No place in North or Central America is considered a far distant port.

[Guest ldtr]

1 hour ago, Alaska05 said:

Then why does Victoria count on a round trip Seattle

Different rules for a closed loop trip that starts and ends in the same city. In that case it just needs to stop at any foreign port.

[memoak]

3 minutes ago, Alaska05 said:

Then why does Victoria count on a round trip Seattle

Because you are round trip same embarkation and disembarkation port

[Coral]

48 minutes ago, Alaska05 said:

Then why does Victoria count on a round trip Seattle

Because it is closed loop (RT Seattle).

 

@Alaska05 Your original question. No, this can not be done as it does violate PSVA.

[skynight]

4 hours ago, Alaska05 said:

Does it matter that the first leg stops at Victoria enroute to Vancouver?

No. Victoria and Vancouver are near foreign ports. You have to stop at a distant foreign to board at one US port and disembark in a different US port. The closest distant foreign ports, as defined by the law, to the lower 48 are the ABC islands and ports in South America. As I mentioned in a previous post Princess will not let you book the itinerary you proposed. 

[LeeW]

Actually they sometimes don't catch the violation on booking and then cancel one of the cruises months later due to the violation.

[PacnGoNow]

50 minutes ago, skynight said:

No. Victoria and Vancouver are near foreign ports. You have to stop at a distant foreign to board at one US port and disembark in a different US port. The closest distant foreign ports, as defined by the law, to the lower 48 are the ABC islands and ports in South America. As I mentioned in a previous post Princess will not let you book the itinerary you proposed. 

The website let me book one last year and my CVP checked it, no good.

Can’t go out of one US city and back to another US City.  Must be the same. 

[Coral]

5 minutes ago, PacnGoNow said:

The website let me book one last year and my CVP checked it, no good.

Can’t go out of one US city and back to another US City.  Must be the same. 

On the West Coast......

 

You can go from FLL to SFO or LAX (Panama Canal). 

[PacnGoNow]

3 minutes ago, Coral said:

On the West Coast......

 

You can go from FLL to SFO or LAX (Panama Canal). 

No, this was NY to Quebec City and a Quebec City to Ft. Lauderdale 

 

[d9704011]

6 minutes ago, Coral said:

On the West Coast......

 

You can go from FLL to SFO or LAX (Panama Canal). 

LA to NYC on Emerald Princess OK too.

[d9704011]

14 minutes ago, PacnGoNow said:

The website let me book one last year and my CVP checked it, no good.

Can’t go out of one US city and back to another US City.  Must be the same. 

Yes, booking through the website will permit just about anything.  I had great plans for a lovely B2B a few years ago and, of course, that eventually fell apart when somebody at Princess caught up to me and explained the PVSA limitations on my plan!

[PacnGoNow]

4 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

LA to NYC on Emerald Princess OK too.

It’s the b2b to/fr different cities that was the problem for mine.

 

[puppycanducruise]

12 minutes ago, Coral said:

On the West Coast......

 

You can go from FLL to SFO or LAX (Panama Canal). 

But on that cruise you stop in Colombia ( a distant foreign port) that makes it legal as far as PSVA rules.

[Coral]

5 minutes ago, puppycanducruise said:

But on that cruise you stop in Colombia ( a distant foreign port) that makes it legal as far as PSVA rules.

Correct - I didn't want to take the time to go into all the possibilities that could make that legal.