Rare John&LaLa Posted July 20, 2020 #1476 Share Posted July 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, yogimax said: Huh? No one except one person (shall not name) said that! Some British guy who was since discredited comes to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted July 20, 2020 #1477 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Seem to recall that was a projection in March if we didnt flatten curve In March, when I was really following Italy/Spain/South Korea, South Korea estimated their initial mortality rate at 0.6%. They also mentioned if they didn't contact trace, they would estimate probably around double (or 1% rounded) But this is only (at that time) for approx 50% of population who would get infected (they were getting around 50% positive vs negative cases) 50% of USA = 180,000,000 1% of those = 1,800,000 0.6% = approx 1,000,000 Edit: - we are not even 5 months in - flu season begins in 2 months... weaker immune system for hundreds of thousands Edited July 20, 2020 by Hoopster95 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted July 20, 2020 #1478 Share Posted July 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Seem to recall that was a projection in March if we didnt flatten curve And we did flatten the curve in the US. Then we took our foot off the virus’ neck and let it come roaring back rather than keep up the lockdown and kill it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted July 20, 2020 #1479 Share Posted July 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Hoopster95 said: In March, when I was really following Italy/Spain/South Korea, South Korea estimated their initial mortality rate at 0.6%. They also mentioned if they didn't contact trace, they would estimate probably around double (or 1% rounded) But this is only (at that time) for approx 50% of population who would get infected (they were getting around 50% positive vs negative cases) 50% of USA = 180,000,000 1% of those = 1,800,000 0.6% = approx 1,000,000 Edit: - we are not even 5 months in - flu season begins in 2 months... weaker immune system for hundreds of thousands When will 2020 flu shot come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted July 20, 2020 #1480 Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: When will 2020 flu shot come out Don't know. But recommended to take by October before flu season starts in earnest, so maybe still a couple of months away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 20, 2020 #1481 Share Posted July 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, John&LaLa said: Seem to recall that was a projection in March if we didnt flatten curve Seem to recall a statement in March that there were only 40 coronavirus deaths because the US had "a very strong border policy." Not sure what happened there... nor what your point is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipmaster Posted July 20, 2020 #1482 Share Posted July 20, 2020 12 hours ago, zekekelso said: And we did flatten the curve in the US. Then we took our foot off the virus’ neck and let it come roaring back rather than keep up the lockdown and kill it. We really did what what Derek Chauvin didn't and created a similar mess Agree with the other poster when we combine that with fall/winter, school going back in session, cold weather, and flu, sounds like a perfect storm. Then you got election in November where most certainly those passionate about masks and those who are proud in their liberty and freedom mingle at the ballot boxes will indeed make for a bigger storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilkySal Posted July 20, 2020 #1483 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, John&LaLa said: When will 2020 flu shot come out DH works for a local hospital here in Indy and he was told the flu shot would be available to its employees in late September this year. Our local CVS only says "flu shot coming". Edited July 20, 2020 by SilkySal add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted July 21, 2020 #1484 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) From the RCCL SEC filing yesterday. Did I miss the thread about the cancellation extension from 9/15 to 9/30? Quote On July 16, 2020, the Company posted the following notice on its press center website (https://presscenter.rclcorporate.com/😞 “The health and safety of our guests, crew and the communities we visit is our top priority. As we work with the CDC and others toward this shared goal, Royal Caribbean Group will be extending the suspension of sailings to include those departing on or before September 30, 2020. We will be reaching out to our guests and travel partners tomorrow to share further details and address any questions or concerns they may have.”[\quote] Edited July 21, 2020 by Biker19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted August 3, 2020 #1485 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Royal Caribbean Group plans to report second quarter financial results and provide a business update on Aug. 10. The company scheduled a conference call for 10 a.m. EDT that day. The call can be accessed at www.rclinvestor.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnuff Posted August 3, 2020 #1486 Share Posted August 3, 2020 latest news might not help 😞 ttps://www.newsinenglish.no/2020/07/31/corona-breaks-out-on-hurtigruten-ship/#.XyfYWwXn9Oo.email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdwcruises Posted August 3, 2020 #1487 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Shareholders won't be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted August 4, 2020 #1488 Share Posted August 4, 2020 RCCL modified some of its loans, SEC filling today: https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/884887/000110465920089652/tm2025989-1_8k.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis#1 Posted August 4, 2020 #1489 Share Posted August 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, Biker19 said: RCCL modified some of its loans, SEC filling today: https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/884887/000110465920089652/tm2025989-1_8k.htm We now know that RCL will pay no cash dividends until sometime on/after 1st Quarter of 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogimax Posted August 4, 2020 #1490 Share Posted August 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dennis#1 said: We now know that RCL will pay no cash dividends until sometime on/after 1st Quarter of 2022. It will be after, if at all. Many of the loan agreements have covenants that restrict the payment of dividends. Actually. dividends should be the least of shareholder worries. The company's very existence is at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurycruiser Posted August 5, 2020 #1491 Share Posted August 5, 2020 If they continue the owners OBC it is still wortwhile owning. The owners OBC comes without a 1099. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted August 5, 2020 #1492 Share Posted August 5, 2020 57 minutes ago, centurycruiser said: If they continue the owners OBC it is still wortwhile owning. The owners OBC comes without a 1099. At this stage it also comes without a cruise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LMaxwell Posted August 5, 2020 #1493 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I can't figure out any fundamental that has the stock priced where it does today (48-ish; 1st week of August for reference later on). It makes no sense to me. Those that gambled in the 20's and were disciplined enough to get out at this point should take their tidy profit and run. I'm just astonished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogimax Posted August 5, 2020 #1494 Share Posted August 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, LMaxwell said: I can't figure out any fundamental that has the stock priced where it does today (48-ish; 1st week of August for reference later on). It makes no sense to me. Those that gambled in the 20's and were disciplined enough to get out at this point should take their tidy profit and run. I'm just astonished. Agree! I would add that it may be a mistake to hold on simply for the benefit. Even if you save hundred or more bucks, every point drop in the stock costs you $100. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurycruiser Posted August 5, 2020 #1495 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, yogimax said: Agree! I would add that it may be a mistake to hold on simply for the benefit. Even if you save hundred or more bucks, every point drop in the stock costs you $100. Over the years I've received over $16,000 from Royal (and almost $5,000 from Carnival) in OBC but I'm on the sidelines right now. Today Royal announced an extension of their suspension through October. They also suspended their dividends through 2021. Maybe they will suspend the shareholder's credit, too. I believe both stocks will decline further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogimax Posted August 5, 2020 #1496 Share Posted August 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, centurycruiser said: Over the years I've received over $16,000 from Royal (and almost $5,000 from Carnival) in OBC but I'm on the sidelines right now. Today Royal announced an extension of their suspension through October. They also suspended their dividends through 2021. Maybe they will suspend the shareholder's credit, too. I believe both stocks will decline further. Yes, I think it also highly unlikely that the dividend will come back anytime before 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atanac Posted August 5, 2020 #1497 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, centurycruiser said: Today Royal announced an extension of their suspension through October. They also suspended their dividends through 2021. Maybe they will suspend the shareholder's credit, too. If I had to place a bet I believe they'd increase the minimum number of shares for the benefit before suspending it entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis#1 Posted August 6, 2020 #1498 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, atanac said: If I had to place a bet I believe they'd increase the minimum number of shares for the benefit before suspending it entirely. You may be correct. I would not bet against your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ&Ozzie Posted August 6, 2020 #1499 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Hi all, Getting a little nervous hearing about the shareholder dividend being cancelled. So just in case it makes a difference, submitted request to RC for shareholder credit for upcoming Fall cruises today at 5:00 pm. It's now 9:14 pm - received confirmation from RC that credit has been applied to all six cruises. Wow - don't know if that's a record but pretty impressed. NJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted August 6, 2020 #1500 Share Posted August 6, 2020 A couple of days ago they re-giggled some financing and debt. A requirement was reported to include a commitment to no dividends (among other things) but given the circumstances a dividend was unlikely anyways. The new deals should allow them to survive much of 2021 in a worst case scenario. I'm not sure how NCLH or CCL are doing financially. At the moment there is guilt by association but also general trends in the market that are influencing the roller coaster ride. Given that they are bracing for the longer term I think we'll see another dip beyond the roller coaster peaks and valleys of late. That might be a good time on jump onboard more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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