rkacruiser Posted June 6, 2020 #201 Share Posted June 6, 2020 16 hours ago, caribill said: For those who get the Yellow Fever vaccination there is an International Certificate of Vaccination that was designed by the WHO and is accepted world wide. If a Covid-19 vaccination needs to be documented, it can be added to the same form. Absolutely. I never leave home for a foreign trip without that in my documents along with my Passport. I have been faithful in having my doctors and my local public health department recording whatever vaccinations that I have received in that yellow document. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brisalta Posted June 6, 2020 #202 Share Posted June 6, 2020 11 hours ago, WAMarathoner said: That would likely violate HIPAA. I know IRL of not a single person who has given their child every single vaccination recommended by the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/schedules/index.html). Everyone draws a line; it's just not at the same place for everyone. For instance, I don't of anyone who got their boys an HPV shot. There's a 20-year rule for effectiveness. By all means, if you want the vaccine, go for it. You'll ostensibly be protected -- which means, in part, protected against those who don't want (or can't take) it. If it violates HIPAA then HIPAA can be amended. Refusing to have boys inoculated against HPV is just irresponsible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npcl Posted June 6, 2020 #203 Share Posted June 6, 2020 11 hours ago, WAMarathoner said: That would likely violate HIPAA. I know IRL of not a single person who has given their child every single vaccination recommended by the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/schedules/index.html). Everyone draws a line; it's just not at the same place for everyone. For instance, I don't of anyone who got their boys an HPV shot. There's a 20-year rule for effectiveness. By all means, if you want the vaccine, go for it. You'll ostensibly be protected -- which means, in part, protected against those who don't want (or can't take) it. No it would not violate HIPAA because the person that performed the vaccination would only submit the information at the request of the person being vaccinated. They could refuse to have the information submitted. Of course then the fact that they got vaccinated would not be documented and if it was required for entry into a country, they are out of luck. Bottom line is if it was required by countries for travel there, or by cruise lines then you would either agree to have the information documented or just not travel. It would only be a violation of HIPAA if the information was released without consent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimarrongirl Posted June 8, 2020 #204 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I would go with you, I love sea days! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted June 19, 2020 #205 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/5/2020 at 12:23 PM, memoak said: I still carry the yellow sheet with vaccinations when I travel along with my passport I wish I had one. As an adult, I have gotten the ones I can. I haven't been very good keeping track of it in one place though. Good job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted June 19, 2020 #206 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 5/28/2020 at 11:29 PM, SNJCruisers said: And to think at some point in the past NCL had 3 different cruises ships doing Hawaii exclusively. And they were cheap! They were giving them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancouvergirl2010 Posted June 19, 2020 #207 Share Posted June 19, 2020 YES! A cruise to nowhere is better than no cruise at all! In theory....but not sure if I would get over the anxiety of a potential pandemic on-board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted June 19, 2020 #208 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, vancouvergirl2010 said: A cruise to nowhere is better than no cruise at all! Too bad they don't do cruises to nowhere any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancouvergirl2010 Posted June 19, 2020 #209 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Shmoo here said: Too bad they don't do cruises to nowhere any longer. Gosh, my city just made drinking in the park legal. We never expected that! Many things are changing and flexibility and the ability to adapt could be significant strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted June 19, 2020 #210 Share Posted June 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, vancouvergirl2010 said: Gosh, my city just made drinking in the park legal. We never expected that! Many things are changing and flexibility and the ability to adapt could be significant strengths. Well, here's the specifics (thanks to chengkp75): The PVSA was revised a few years back to allow cruises to nowhere, and they are still legal under the PVSA. What has changed is that CBP has ruled that while crew on foreign flag cruise ships that call in US ports need a crew visa (C1/D1 depending on whether they are joining/leaving in the US or not), crew on a foreign flag vessel doing cruises to nowhere would need a H1-B work visa. The H1 work visa is more difficult to obtain, costs more, and has more financial and legal responsibilities placed on the "sponsor" (cruise line). The cost for a cruise line to get these visas for a thousand crew for one or two voyages (sometimes separated by months) would not be cost effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancouvergirl2010 Posted June 19, 2020 #211 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Interesting facts...now time for US visa rules to adapt to new times IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted June 19, 2020 #212 Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Shmoo here said: Well, here's the specifics (thanks to chengkp75): The PVSA was revised a few years back to allow cruises to nowhere, and they are still legal under the PVSA. What has changed is that CBP has ruled that while crew on foreign flag cruise ships that call in US ports need a crew visa (C1/D1 depending on whether they are joining/leaving in the US or not), crew on a foreign flag vessel doing cruises to nowhere would need a H1-B work visa. The H1 work visa is more difficult to obtain, costs more, and has more financial and legal responsibilities placed on the "sponsor" (cruise line). The cost for a cruise line to get these visas for a thousand crew for one or two voyages (sometimes separated by months) would not be cost effective. Wouldn't having the H1-B visa, which means the person is working in the USA at least while doing cruises to nowhere from a USA port, subject the person to USA income taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted June 19, 2020 #213 Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, caribill said: Wouldn't having the H1-B visa, which means the person is working in the USA at least while doing cruises to nowhere from a USA port, subject the person to USA income taxes? Yes it does. And many collective bargaining agreements make the company liable for the US taxes, not the employee. Further, both employer and employee are subject to Social Security withholding, meaning the employer has to contribute the 6.75% employer contribution, raising their payroll cost. And, when the crew files taxes, due to their low pay scale, their taxes will be very low if not zero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted June 19, 2020 #214 Share Posted June 19, 2020 7 hours ago, vancouvergirl2010 said: Interesting facts...now time for US visa rules to adapt to new times IMO. Given the current economic situation, I don't see very many politicians pushing to make it easier for foreigners to get jobs in the US. (I'd love to see cruises to nowhere but I just don't think it's in the cards right now.) I posted this in another thread yesterday: Carnival issued a press release that gives a hint of how they plan to restart cruising. It says in part: "The company expects to resume guest operations, after collaboration with both government and health authorities, in a phased manner, with specific ships and brands returning to service over time to provide its guests with enjoyable vacation experiences. The company anticipates that initial sailings will be from a select number of easily accessible homeports. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voljeep Posted June 19, 2020 #215 Share Posted June 19, 2020 wonder when the next group of cancellations will come out ... maybe after CDC lets the current ban expire ( 7/19 or so ?) or extends the ban - hopefully not another 100 days but even then , ports have to reopen ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted June 19, 2020 #216 Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 hours ago, voljeep said: wonder when the next group of cancellations will come out ... maybe after CDC lets the current ban expire ( 7/19 or so ?) or extends the ban - hopefully not another 100 days but even then , ports have to reopen ... https://cruising.org/news-and-research/press-room/2020/june/clia-announces-voluntary-suspension-of-cruise-operations-from-us-ports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voljeep Posted June 19, 2020 #217 Share Posted June 19, 2020 28 minutes ago, Shmoo here said: https://cruising.org/news-and-research/press-room/2020/june/clia-announces-voluntary-suspension-of-cruise-operations-from-us-ports maybe start a new thread with this ? - not sure it affected many, if any Princess cruises ... maybe a couple of West Coast out of LA ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Paula_MacFan Posted June 19, 2020 #218 Share Posted June 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, Shmoo here said: https://cruising.org/news-and-research/press-room/2020/june/clia-announces-voluntary-suspension-of-cruise-operations-from-us-ports Guess that means all those people who swore they'd be cruising in July/August were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzsnooze Posted June 20, 2020 Author #219 Share Posted June 20, 2020 So now it is until Sept 15 until cruises can restart. I wonder if some cruise lines will be able to hold on till then. It makes a cruise to no where more appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNJCruisers Posted June 20, 2020 #220 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, cruzsnooze said: So now it is until Sept 15 until cruises can restart. I wonder if some cruise lines will be able to hold on till then. It makes a cruise to no where more appealing. Cruises to nowhere will not happen because of the US tax implications that would be involved. The top 4 cruise lines corporations (Carnival, RCCL, Norwegian, MSC) will be in OK shape even if there are no cruises till 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted June 20, 2020 #221 Share Posted June 20, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 6:43 PM, chengkp75 said: But then it would not be a "cruise without ports" or a "cruise to nowhere". But then again, going from Florida to the USVI isn't a "cruise without ports" that the OP suggested. And, as I think about it, I'm not sure that a round trip Miami/St. Thomas/Miami would be legal since that would be a closed loop US cruise possibly without a foreign port, since I'm not sure what the actual legal designation of the US territories that are not covered by the PVSA is, since they are part of the US. What if a cruise line had charter aircraft or vessels taking PAX from Ft Lauderdale to Freeport, Bahamas and the cruise to nowhere would start and end in Freeport? For that matter would the cruise to nowhere be able to begin in Freeport and end in Ft Lauderdale or vice-versa? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voljeep Posted June 20, 2020 #222 Share Posted June 20, 2020 @Daniel A we'd be on a cruise like that if we could board in PE which involves no flights for us sidenote: what's the status of the New York ports as the SKY is scheduled to port there from a TA on Nov 3rd, I believe to start a repo to PE for the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel A Posted June 20, 2020 #223 Share Posted June 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, voljeep said: @Daniel A we'd be on a cruise like that if we could board in PE which involves no flights for us sidenote: what's the status of the New York ports as the SKY is scheduled to port there from a TA on Nov 3rd, I believe to start a repo to PE for the season I'm not aware that the Port Authority ever closed down the cruise ports. To get a clarification straight from the horse's mouth, you could call or e-mail one of the folling: Rado Saragih 212-435-4259 rsaragih@panynj.gov Andrew Sharo 212-435-4250 asharo@panynj.gov Nick Raspanti 212-435-2796 nraspanti@panynj.gov Francis Caponi 212-435-4229 fcaponi@panynj.gov Nichol Polidoro 212-435-4264 npolidoro@panynj.gov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted June 20, 2020 #224 Share Posted June 20, 2020 What if a cruise line had charter aircraft or vessels taking PAX from Ft Lauderdale to Freeport, Bahamas and the cruise to nowhere would start and end in Freeport? For that matter would the cruise to nowhere be able to begin in Freeport and end in Ft Lauderdale or vice-versa? They could charter aircraft and you could cruise to nowhere out of the Bahamas if the Bahamas allows that. (I am not familiar with Bahamas regulations.) There is nothing to stop cruise lines from homeporting there. There used to be cruises that homeported out of Barbados. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzsnooze Posted June 20, 2020 Author #225 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Another close port for west coasters could be Ensenada. The US would loose a ton of revenue if Cruise ports in the US are kept closed because cruises go else where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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