wowzz Posted October 11, 2020 #326 Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Josy1953 said: We have a Princess cruise booked for May 2021 but have not had this notification yet. It was just a general email sent to all on the Princess mailing list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 11, 2020 #327 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Bloodaxe said: If you have a flue jab you don't get a certificate, if we eventually get a Covid jab that may be free but I bet you will be charged for a certificate. Which is only right. The moment that you need something over and above normal NHS treatment/paperwork, it is only right that you should be charged for it. Anything that adds cost to the basic NHS premise, should be charged for. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodaxe Posted October 11, 2020 #328 Share Posted October 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, wowzz said: Which is only right. The moment that you need something over and above normal NHS treatment/paperwork, it is only right that you should be charged for it. Anything that adds cost to the basic NHS premise, should be charged for. Totally agree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted October 11, 2020 #329 Share Posted October 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, wowzz said: Which is only right. The moment that you need something over and above normal NHS treatment/paperwork, it is only right that you should be charged for it. Anything that adds cost to the basic NHS premise, should be charged for. Absolutely. Pay for the cost of the certificate. Press print,take paper from printer, give to customer. Cost !. I guess about 10p. When we have our free travel jabs the nurse signs and dates the cards we have. Minimal cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodaxe Posted October 11, 2020 #330 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, zap99 said: Absolutely. Pay for the cost of the certificate. Press print,take paper from printer, give to customer. Cost !. I guess about 10p. When we have our free travel jabs the nurse signs and dates the cards we have. Minimal cost. Pigs might fly, it would not be at all cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted October 11, 2020 #331 Share Posted October 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bloodaxe said: Pigs might fly, it would not be at all cheap I'm sure the clever NHS, Managers who's salaries we pay, will look on it a a revenue stream. The actual cost of printing a certificate is probably so small that collecting it wouldn't be worth the effort. That won't stop them ripping the punters off with a silly charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 11, 2020 #332 Share Posted October 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, zap99 said: I'm sure the clever NHS, Managers who's salaries we pay, will look on it a a revenue stream. The actual cost of printing a certificate is probably so small that collecting it wouldn't be worth the effort. That won't stop them ripping the punters off with a silly charge. Sorry, you don't seem to understand how things work in the real world. The moment that anything is done outside of the remit of the NHS, the individual requesting something extra should pay for the associated extra costs involved. Paper, ink, labour, depreciation on the printer, etc. in themselves may be peanuts, but the principle remains the same. You are entitled to free health care at the point of delivery. Nothing more. If you want to get a certificate to go on a cruise, pay for it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted October 11, 2020 #333 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Just now, wowzz said: Sorry, you don't seem to understand how things work in the real world. The moment that anything is done outside of the remit of the NHS, the individual requesting something extra should pay for the associated extra costs involved. Paper, ink, labour, depreciation on the printer, etc. in themselves may be peanuts, but the principle remains the same. You are entitled to free health care at the point of delivery. Nothing more. If you want to get a certificate to go on a cruise, pay for it. As a retired financial manager I do understand those concepts. Add those up ink 1 penny, paper one penny,labour 30 seconds of a £15 per hour clerk + 22% on cost, 15p. Depreciation of a £200 printer with a straight line 5 year depreciation printing a single sheet. 1penny. That's 18p. Cost of raising invoice ? . Don't bother. NH Service. They can provide what we are already paying for please. Service. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger88 Posted October 12, 2020 #334 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I talked to a friend of mine who happens to be a doctor (in the past), and according to him this certificate does not give any guarantees what so ever, cause by the time you board the ship you might be already infected. To me, it seems like another way to take the money from the population. I doubt these certificates will be free 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Hill Posted October 12, 2020 #335 Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 hours ago, zap99 said: Absolutely. Pay for the cost of the certificate. Press print,take paper from printer, give to customer. Cost !. I guess about 10p. When we have our free travel jabs the nurse signs and dates the cards we have. Minimal cost. Digital version even cheaper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted October 12, 2020 #336 Share Posted October 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Roger88 said: I talked to a friend of mine who happens to be a doctor (in the past), and according to him this certificate does not give any guarantees what so ever, cause by the time you board the ship you might be already infected. To me, it seems like another way to take the money from the population. I doubt these certificates will be free Thank you Roger. You could get the certificate pre cruise then catch covid19 on the way to the ship on a plane,bus,taxi, pre cruise hotel,motorway services etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 12, 2020 #337 Share Posted October 12, 2020 49 minutes ago, Roger88 said: I talked to a friend of mine who happens to be a doctor (in the past), and according to him this certificate does not give any guarantees what so ever, cause by the time you board the ship you might be already infected. To me, it seems like another way to take the money from the population. I doubt these certificates will be free Blimey, for once Roger, or rather his friend, is correct. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted October 12, 2020 #338 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, grapau27 said: Thank you Roger. You could get the certificate pre cruise then catch covid19 on the way to the ship on a plane,bus,taxi, pre cruise hotel,motorway services etc. The Certificate shows you have had the jab. Isn't the point of having the jab supposed to be stopping you getting the virus?.🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted October 12, 2020 #339 Share Posted October 12, 2020 33 minutes ago, wowzz said: Blimey, for once Roger, or rather his friend, is correct. Don't be too hasty. My friend said if you get the jab there is a 95% probability you won't get the virus. The certificate shows you have been Jabbed. My friend should know, he has an O level in Bionincompooperilogy.😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted October 12, 2020 #340 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, grapau27 said: Thank you Roger. You could get the certificate pre cruise then catch covid19 on the way to the ship on a plane,bus,taxi, pre cruise hotel,motorway services etc. My friend said you can only catch it on the first of those. Subsequent exposure won't matter as you will only catch it once. A bit like getting bitten by a second Zombie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josy1953 Posted October 12, 2020 #341 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 hours ago, wowzz said: It was just a general email sent to all on the Princess mailing list. We have regular emails from Princess but for some reason we haven't had this one. I have now seen it because my sister got it so she forwarded it when I told her we hadn't seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 12, 2020 #342 Share Posted October 12, 2020 9 hours ago, wowzz said: Sorry, you don't seem to understand how things work in the real world. The moment that anything is done outside of the remit of the NHS, the individual requesting something extra should pay for the associated extra costs involved. Paper, ink, labour, depreciation on the printer, etc. in themselves may be peanuts, but the principle remains the same. You are entitled to free health care at the point of delivery. Nothing more. If you want to get a certificate to go on a cruise, pay for it. You mean like all the health tourists who come here to have treatment on the NHS, then skip off back home without paying? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 12, 2020 #343 Share Posted October 12, 2020 34 minutes ago, zap99 said: The Certificate shows you have had the jab. Isn't the point of having the jab supposed to be stopping you getting the virus?.🤔 I, and Roger, am talking about the certificate or whatever, saying that you have tested negative, not a vaccination certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted October 12, 2020 #344 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: You mean like all the health tourists who come here to have treatment on the NHS, then skip off back home without paying? Indeed, but that really is a significant thread drift . Edited October 12, 2020 by wowzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 12, 2020 #345 Share Posted October 12, 2020 We seem to be confusing 2 issues here, a statement saying you have had a recent negative covid test and a certificate saying you have had a covid vaccination. At present only the former is available, and I assume you currently receive something, e-mail, text message etc from the testing lab, saying the test was negative, hopefully that will satisfy the cruise lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted October 12, 2020 #346 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, wowzz said: Indeed, but that really is a significant thread drift . You did suggest I could be your adopted eccentric uncle, so what else do you expect.😉 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adawn47 Posted October 12, 2020 #347 Share Posted October 12, 2020 9 hours ago, wowzz said: You are entitled to free health care at the point of delivery. Nothing more. If you want to get a certificate to go on a cruise, pay for it. We had to pay for our proof of vaccination certificates, which we had to keep with our passports, when we were travelling to the far east. It was our personal decision to travel to those countries, so only right that we should pay for any medical expenses incurred. It was a while ago now so I don't know if it's still the case. We would pay for a covid certificate to travel if required. Avril 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted October 12, 2020 #348 Share Posted October 12, 2020 45 minutes ago, zap99 said: My friend said you can only catch it on the first of those. Subsequent exposure won't matter as you will only catch it once. A bit like getting bitten by a second Zombie. 🤓👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted October 12, 2020 #349 Share Posted October 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Adawn47 said: We had to pay for our proof of vaccination certificates, which we had to keep with our passports, when we were travelling to the far east. It was our personal decision to travel to those countries, so only right that we should pay for any medical expenses incurred. It was a while ago now so I don't know if it's still the case. We would pay for a covid certificate to travel if required. Avril If the vaccine is safe we would pay for the vaccine and certificate to travel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapau27 Posted October 12, 2020 #350 Share Posted October 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, wowzz said: I, and Roger, am talking about the certificate or whatever, saying that you have tested negative, not a vaccination certificate. That's what I thought too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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