Vaccination Certificate required for Travel

[nosapphire]

23 hours ago, zap99 said:

Sorry, I missed the bit in your post where you said .......and my solution is...... You seem to think that the current scientific research is a waste if time and people who think positively are dreaming. 

Oh, come on - give us a clue..😉.. solution to what??

 

[jeanlyon]

1 hour ago, Dermotsgirl said:

Today’s vaccine story

 

https://www.ft.com/content/d2e00128-7889-4d5d-84a3-43e51355a751

 

I can't read that link as I don't subscribe, but I can't imagine they will have vaccine for the whole population by Easter.  They don't even have enough flu vaccine although i did get mine at Boots before they ran out.

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[terrierjohn]

5 minutes ago, jeanlyon said:

I can't read that link as I don't subscribe, but I can't imagine they will have vaccine for the whole population by Easter.  They don't even have enough flu vaccine although i did get mine at Boots before they ran out.

Oh ye of little faith!

[zap99]

12 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

Oh ye of little faith!

The Lady who is responsible for the vaccine task force and who's report this is has said that it was NEVER the intention to vaccinate everyone. No under 18's as it is not necessary, no under 50's unless vulnerable, or key workers. Over 50's, vulnerable, or key workers only. 30 million out of 67 million. experience may change this at some point. No real story, just a bit of misinterpretation. All is fine.

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[Dermotsgirl]

15 minutes ago, jeanlyon said:

I can't read that link as I don't subscribe, but I can't imagine they will have vaccine for the whole population by Easter.  They don't even have enough flu vaccine although i did get mine at Boots before they ran out.

It says that they won’t be vaccinating the entire population, just ‘the vulnerable’ and health worker and care givers.

 

This link from Sky also gives the story and gives a proposed ‘pecking order’ for vaccinations 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-vaccine-head-less-than-half-of-the-uk-population-could-get-vaccinated-12090472

[nellydean]

32 minutes ago, jeanlyon said:

I can't read that link as I don't subscribe, but I can't imagine they will have vaccine for the whole population by Easter.  They don't even have enough flu vaccine although i did get mine at Boots before they ran out.

We also got our flu vaccine at our local pharmacy, because every time I rang the surgery they said they had no idea when it would be available.

 

Ironically, a week after, we have just received notification from the surgery telling us it will be ready this Saturday. However, seeing as we have only been given a 3-hour window, and have to queue up with everyone else outside (probably in the rain and probably without many not keeping the advised 2 metres distance), we are glad we took the opportunity to have it done when we did. And it was still free, of course. Our youngest son is on the pharmacy list for when the vaccine for younger people becomes available. Our surgery is still closed, and has been next to useless during this pandemic.

[jeanlyon]

Our surgery is working well.  My husband has been called for his flu jab next week.  I got mine early as I am working and just wanted to be careful.

[Josy1953]

I believe that the shortage of flu vaccine is due to the far higher than usual uptake of the vaccine.  We had ours at our doctors surgery on 3rd September, our 77 year old neighbour told my husband last week that he still hadn't had his but the surgery has called him several times to ask him why he has still not had his vaccination but he says he can't be bothered.  I suspect he will be the same about the covid vaccine if/when it becomes available.

[Josy1953]

1 hour ago, nellydean said:

However, seeing as we have only been given a 3-hour window, and have to queue up with everyone else outside 

We must have been lucky, our surgery gave us individual appointments, David & I asked for same time appointments and there was no queue when we went.

[kalos]

5 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

We must have been lucky, our surgery gave us individual appointments, David & I asked for same time appointments and there was no queue when we went.

Same here Josey, they booked me 11am and the Mrs 11.05am.

We timed getting to the surgery five minutes before my time.

Mask on and give your name to the meet & greet nurse and in you went using a one way system they had set up.

Tomorrow is my pneumonia jab and they sent me a online questionnaire to fill in ,followed by a text reminder to wear

a mask and my appointment time. 

They seem to have a good system going at our practice as well.

[Adawn47]

8 minutes ago, Josy1953 said:

We must have been lucky, our surgery gave us individual appointments, David & I asked for same time appointments and there was no queue when we went.

We were the same Josy. Our surgery sent us a text at the begining of September and I made an appointment for both of us. September 19th, me 11.15 and Frank 11.20. It was so quiet we were seen early and back home having a coffee by 11.05.  

Avril

[pete14]

59 minutes ago, Adawn47 said:

We were the same Josy. Our surgery sent us a text at the begining of September and I made an appointment for both of us. September 19th, me 11.15 and Frank 11.20. It was so quiet we were seen early and back home having a coffee by 11.05.  

Avril

Ours was very efficient. Times were given at 2 minute intervals and we waited outside (with mask), checked in and were given the jab. Took five minutes from arrival to departure for both of us to be done.

[wowzz]

So the reports from the weekend indicate that as and when the vaccine is available, those in care homes,  and their carers will have priority,  followed by the over 80s, followed in 5 year tranches down to 65. After that  high risk adults would take priority,  followed by adults down to 50.

Seems to me that this will make life even more difficult for cruise lines. Us old uns will get the vaccine pretty early in the process, so theoretically,  if cruises are operating, could socialise on board with no masks, no need to socially distance etc. Those youngsters ( under 50s!) would still have to mask up, stay distant from each other etc. I can't really see how this two tier system could operate.  Will P&O just implement a " no injection, no cruise" policy, which will make life much simpler for them, and would also allow passengers to disembark at ports of call.   

Any ideas?

[zap99]

2 hours ago, Josy1953 said:

We must have been lucky, our surgery gave us individual appointments, David & I asked for same time appointments and there was no queue when we went.

That's the same for us at our local surgery. I normally tell DW have much it hurt to get a bit of sympathy. Can't do that now.Drat🤣

[zap99]

52 minutes ago, wowzz said:

So the reports from the weekend indicate that as and when the vaccine is available, those in care homes,  and their carers will have priority,  followed by the over 80s, followed in 5 year tranches down to 65. After that  high risk adults would take priority,  followed by adults down to 50.

Seems to me that this will make life even more difficult for cruise lines. Us old uns will get the vaccine pretty early in the process, so theoretically,  if cruises are operating, could socialise on board with no masks, no need to socially distance etc. Those youngsters ( under 50s!) would still have to mask up, stay distant from each other etc. I can't really see how this two tier system could operate.  Will P&O just implement a " no injection, no cruise" policy, which will make life much simpler for them, and would also allow passengers to disembark at ports of call.   

Any ideas?

I'm sure there are loads of experts and logistics specialists working away with their clever programs to deliver the jabs in the right order. I'll leave it to them. The number of antijabbers may mess up the plans a bit. If Cruise lines say no jabby jabby, no cruisey cruisey, folks will need to make a decision. If they allow the non jabbers on as well the solution could be.... entertainment and restaurants open to all jabbers, non jabbers, buffet only and Eric and Earn in the Limelight only. That could work.🤪🤣

[Presto2]

2 hours ago, zap99 said:

I'm sure there are loads of experts and logistics specialists working away with their clever programs to deliver the jabs in the right order. I'll leave it to them. The number of antijabbers may mess up the plans a bit. If Cruise lines say no jabby jabby, no cruisey cruisey, folks will need to make a decision. If they allow the non jabbers on as well the solution could be.... entertainment and restaurants open to all jabbers, non jabbers, buffet only and Eric and Earn in the Limelight only. That could work.🤪🤣

 

Just think, we won't be discussing the dress code, or the food, or the alcohol packages (if there is one), the fall in standards etc etc but who is Jabby Jabby Class and who is Non Jabby Jabby 😉 

[bobstheboy]

No jab  No cruise.  Simple.

[zap99]

26 minutes ago, bobstheboy said:

No jab  No cruise.  Simple.

Seems like a plan.🤣

[wowzz]

40 minutes ago, bobstheboy said:

No jab  No cruise.  Simple.

So that basically means no one under 50 will be cruising in the future. Could be some good school holiday deals for us old uns, as all the young parents will be banned.

[zap99]

8 minutes ago, wowzz said:

So that basically means no one under 50 will be cruising in the future. Could be some good school holiday deals for us old uns, as all the young parents will be banned.

And their kids?🤣. We can sneak in a July/August quick cruise now. That will be 4.

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[No pager thank you]

19 minutes ago, wowzz said:

So that basically means no one under 50 will be cruising in the future. Could be some good school holiday deals for us old uns, as all the young parents will be banned.

You can just see the P&O executives weeping at that thought...🤦

 

Mind you, even with such unlikely restrictions, they'd probably still put the cruises on the "monster floating hotels," to effectively ban some of the remaining clientele too...🤷🤪

[No pager thank you]

7 hours ago, wowzz said:

So the reports from the weekend indicate that as and when the vaccine is available, those in care homes,  and their carers will have priority,  followed by the over 80s, followed in 5 year tranches down to 65. After that  high risk adults would take priority,  followed by adults down to 50.

Seems to me that this will make life even more difficult for cruise lines. Us old uns will get the vaccine pretty early in the process, so theoretically,  if cruises are operating, could socialise on board with no masks, no need to socially distance etc. Those youngsters ( under 50s!) would still have to mask up, stay distant from each other etc. I can't really see how this two tier system could operate.  Will P&O just implement a " no injection, no cruise" policy, which will make life much simpler for them, and would also allow passengers to disembark at ports of call.   

Any ideas?

Light heartedness aside from my previous post, I imagine that the answer to your question will come in the effectiveness of the vaccine...the FT states this as being unlikely to be 95% - comparing with typical flu vaccine.  The vaccines are focussing on reducing harm potential as opposed to infection per se in most cases.

 

I would imagine that all who can have the vaccine would be encouraged to, possibly linked to travel insurance.  As "extra protection" they will still have to wear masks and socially distance to protect themselves from the others, given that the nature of the cruise ship environment will still be perceived to be a higher risk activity.  

 

The others will simply have to follow the guidelines, without a vaccine, based on the overall protocols and infection rates being seen by P&O / PHE as being acceptable. 

 

The vaccinated group will have to accept these conditions to avoid losing current deposits.

[cruisenewbie1976]

7 hours ago, wowzz said:

So the reports from the weekend indicate that as and when the vaccine is available, those in care homes,  and their carers will have priority,  followed by the over 80s, followed in 5 year tranches down to 65. After that  high risk adults would take priority,  followed by adults down to 50.

Seems to me that this will make life even more difficult for cruise lines. Us old uns will get the vaccine pretty early in the process, so theoretically,  if cruises are operating, could socialise on board with no masks, no need to socially distance etc. Those youngsters ( under 50s!) would still have to mask up, stay distant from each other etc. I can't really see how this two tier system could operate.  Will P&O just implement a " no injection, no cruise" policy, which will make life much simpler for them, and would also allow passengers to disembark at ports of call.   

Any ideas?

If the older, more vulnerable passengers have been vaccinated and the younger ones are at much lower risk of serious disease, then that should allow for restrictions to be eased. There's no way they'd implement a "no injection, no cruise" policy if there's no intention to vaccinate the whole population. 

[wowzz]

7 minutes ago, No pager thank you said:

I would imagine that all who can have the vaccine would be encouraged to,

So, if you are a two 40 year old parents, with two children, you will not get the vaccine via the NHS.  One imagines that it will be possible to get the vaccine privately, but at what cost? A private CV19 test costs around £150. A private injection could quite easily cost £100. So an extra £400 for a typical family. 

[wowzz]

10 minutes ago, cruisenewbie1976 said:

If the older, more vulnerable passengers have been vaccinated and the younger ones are at much lower risk of serious disease, then that should allow for restrictions to be eased. There's no way they'd implement a "no injection, no cruise" policy if there's no intention to vaccinate the whole population. 

But without a 100% onboard vaccination policy, cruise ships will not be allowed to disembark their passengers at cruise ports. I suppose those that haven't been vaccinated could be forced to stay on board, but I can't see that being an easy proposition to sell.