Bahamas cruises for FL residents only?

[Tree_skier]

4 hours ago, d9704011 said:

No you’re not.  

 

Actually, yes you are.

                     Cases           Deaths

Canada

178,117

9,585

 

Equals 5.3% 

 

USA

7,893,433

218,637

 

Equals 2.7%

 

If you get tested and diagnosed with the virus in Canada you are twice as likely to die than in the United States.

[Tree_skier]

4 hours ago, Hoopster95 said:

 

9586 deaths in Canada / 37,590,000 population = 0.025%

213,000+ deaths in USA / 328,200,000 population = 0.065%

 

You're almost 2 1/2 times likely to die of Covid19 in the USA than you are in Canada

It is a totally different picture when you look at it based on confirmed cases as just posted above.  And as we know the count in the US includes people who died with Covid not of it.  example... George Floyd.

[Tree_skier]

3 hours ago, voyager70 said:

 

Yes.  I don't know about Canada but in the US I understand that hospitals get a significant amount of money for each patient that dies of Covid.  Hence, whenever anyone who dies who has tested positive for Covid the cause of death is listed as Covid, even if they have stage 4 cancer or any other terminal illness or condition.

 

 

Exactly, In Canada, with socialized medicine, there is no incentive to declare some deceased with Covid vs what actually killed them.

[d9704011]

12 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

 

Actually, yes you are.

                     Cases           Deaths

Canada

178,117

9,585

 

Equals 5.3% 

 

USA

7,893,433

218,637

 

Equals 2.7%

 

If you get tested and diagnosed with the virus in Canada you are twice as likely to die than in the United States.

Nope.  Your original statement remains grossly incorrect.

[Tree_skier]

2 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

Nope.  Your original statement remains grossly incorrect.

I'm sure you don't like my very true statistics.  That doesn't make them less right.

[Hoopster95]

12 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

It is a totally different picture when you look at it based on confirmed cases as just posted above.  And as we know the count in the US includes people who died with Covid not of it.  example... George Floyd.

 

In Canada only 0.9% population tested.

If everybody tested, hardly anyone would test positive.

IF everyone tested, you're numbers would be greatly screwed skewed towards Canada's favour. Of course, I can't back that up, there's no data, we would all have to test.

 

In USA, 3.6% population tested.

[d9704011]

2 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

I'm sure you don't like my very true statistics.  That doesn't make them less right.

Your ‘statistics’ are simply data you’ve taken from certain cohorts (individuals who have tested positive for CV-19 and those who have died) and tried to imply that these numbers are representative of the entire populations of Canada and the United States.  Doesn’t work.

[Tree_skier]

2 minutes ago, Hoopster95 said:

 

In Canada only 0.9% population tested.

If everybody tested, hardly anyone would test positive.

IF everyone tested, you're numbers would be greatly screwed skewed towards Canada's favour. Of course, I can't back that up, there's no data, we would all have to test.

 

In USA, 3.6% population tested.

And this is my point from the beginning.  Someone suggested the US is the worst and nobody would want their people going there or would want US citizens traveling to their countries based on a metric that isn't consistently measured across jurisdictions.  The statistics have been so manipulated politically and are measured so differently from one jurisdiction to another that they have been rendered meaningless.

 

Safety measures need to be put in place and those that want to cruise can and those that do not can stay home.

[Tree_skier]

22 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

Your ‘statistics’ are simply data you’ve taken from certain cohorts (individuals who have tested positive for CV-19 and those who have died) and tried to imply that these numbers are representative of the entire populations of Canada and the United States.  Doesn’t work.

I'm not implying anything.  I posted the IFR and was responded to with a Fox News article that the IFR isn't valid and only the CFR is meaningful.  

 

So then I post ,based on CFR, that you are twice as likely to die in Canada as in the US and am told that the CFR isn't a valid metric but "simply data..." that isn't relevant.

 

The IFR and CFR are genuine metrics.  I don't make them up,  I don't tabulate them and I don't interpret them.

 

The metric you are suggesting be used can't be used because the way it is tabulated is inconsistent across jurisdictions. The statistic is meaningless. It's like comparing Aruba to India or Brazil. If we look at it based on your statistical analysis Aruba is terrible but India and Brazil are way better.  Of course that is nonsense because of significant difference in population, monitoring, quality of healthcare as well as other factors the statistics can't be compared across these jurisdictions.

 

Now that doesn't play well for the MSM because fear porn drives clicks and case and death meters look cool on Jake Tapper's show CNN or Power and Politics on CBC for us Canadians.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2020 by Tree_skier

[ReneeFLL]

5 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

That's ok, won't be much demand for it up here. 

 

4 hours ago, d9704011 said:

Will soon need an icebreaker escort.

Even if they headed south?

[d9704011]

7 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

 

Even if they headed south?

Just having a little fun.  No ice in Halifax or Vancouver.  Ice will begin to form in Quebec City area late December/early January and tends to clear out in late March.

 

I don’t believe  there is enough demand for cruises out of Canada for Canadians only.

[Mapleleafforever]

7 hours ago, ReneeFLL said:

 

Even if they headed south?

Even if they headed south and were half price or lower. Of all the people I know up here who cruise no one wants to cruise again until restrictions are lifted (Pandemic is over). As for first time cruisers.......cruising has a long way to go and quite a lot of work to do before attracting new clientele I suspect. 

 

Then there's the mandatory 14 day quarantine period for Canadians returning from International (essential only) and some Provincial travel......

 

Then there's the fact that our borders are sitll closed for non essential travel and the way both our numbers are going I don't see an end to that any time soon.....

[ReneeFLL]

1 hour ago, d9704011 said:

Just having a little fun.  No ice in Halifax or Vancouver.  Ice will begin to form in Quebec City area late December/early January and tends to clear out in late March.

 

I don’t believe  there is enough demand for cruises out of Canada for Canadians only.

I was beginning to wonder if there was something going on that I wasn't aware of. 👱‍♀️🤣

[Russ Lomas]

20 hours ago, molly361 said:

I think it should be limited to only people from Iowa😇

I disagree.  Canadians only from Florida (we have much lower infection rates 🙃)

 

19 hours ago, flyguyjake said:

The USA is the most infected country on the globe. I'm certain every country is more afraid of us.

Well said, though there are a few other countries much of the world is afraid of as well due to Covid numbers.

 

19 hours ago, Crazy planning mom said:

No but the point would be to limit the passengers to those who could drive there.

We have driven over 24 hours from Canada to cruise out of Florida several times (it is expensive to fly a large family vs. driving the minivan to Florida).  Those who want to cruise are willing to make the effort to get there.  It is funny when I read about people complaining about having to drive 5 or 6 hours to the port to cruise.

 

19 hours ago, Tree_skier said:

You are twice as likely to die of Covid in Canada as you are in the US

Totally false..  I saw your other postings on your reasoning and I disagree.  Death rates as of today according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?  are 660 deaths per million population in the US as opposed to "only" 253 deaths per million in Canada.  You are about 2 1/2 times more likely to die from Corona (based on current stats) if you were to live in the US than in Canada.

 

3 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Even if they headed south and were half price or lower. Of all the people I know up here who cruise no one wants to cruise again until restrictions are lifted (Pandemic is over). As for first time cruisers.......cruising has a long way to go and quite a lot of work to do before attracting new clientele I suspect. 

 

Then there's the mandatory 14 day quarantine period for Canadians returning from International (essential only) and some Provincial travel......

 

Then there's the fact that our borders are sitll closed for non essential travel and the way both our numbers are going I don't see an end to that any time soon.....

Well said.  We live in London, Ontario.  We are booked for March Break out of Florida on a cruise.  We hope it goes, but the border being closed is the first roadblock we face (we have flights from Detroit and need to drive across the closed border to get to the airport - hopefully Covid numbers will improve by then and the border will open for non-essential travel).

 

The mandatory 14 day quarantine is the thing we cannot afford to do.  Take a week holiday over the March Break and then have to take the next 2 weeks off unpaid from work.  In order to leave the country if the borders open up and cruises resume, we need that restriction lifted, otherwise vacationing in Canada will be the only real option for most of us.

[Ourusualbeach]

4 minutes ago, Russ Lomas said:

otherwise vacationing in Canada will be the only real option for most of us.

Which unless you like snow just sucks in March.  May have to set up some beach chairs in our neighbours garage under his grow lights.🤣

[d9704011]

2 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Which unless you like snow just sucks in March.  May have to set up some beach chairs in our neighbours garage under his grow lights.🤣

Well, you ought to be able to relax.  Maybe his operation is quasi-legal now and the cops won’t be coming by!

[Russ Lomas]

14 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Which unless you like snow just sucks in March.  May have to set up some beach chairs in our neighbours garage under his grow lights.🤣

I love skiing and snowboarding, so as long as I can leave Ontario to ski, I will be happy.  I would just be in further cruise withdrawl since it will be over 2 years without one (and we were really looking forward to sailing on an Oasis class ship again after not doing so for 5 or 6 year).

 

10 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

Well, you ought to be able to relax.  Maybe his operation is quasi-legal now and the cops won’t be coming by!

Probably fully legal now.  I drove onto the Oneida reserve as I was passing it two days ago to get gas (much cheaper) and passed about a half dozen dispensaries in less than a kilometre drive (and there are many more on this small parcel of land).

[Ourusualbeach]

6 minutes ago, Russ Lomas said:

I love skiing and snowboarding, so as long as I can leave Ontario to ski, I will be happy. 

Complete opposite...absolutely detest the winter, I’ll be packing my bags and heading south for the winter as soon as DW retires.  Went skiing once when DW and I were dating..then we got married and I could say no.  

[bigrednole]

21 hours ago, Crazy planning mom said:

The Quantum is scheduled to resume sailing in December in Singapore only for Singaporeans.

Could Royal restart Bahamas cruises in December but limit sailings initially to residents of Florida?

I doubt it. They could be open to discrimination and not worth the time. 

[Russ Lomas]

10 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Complete opposite...absolutely detest the winter, I’ll be packing my bags and heading south for the winter as soon as DW retires.  Went skiing once when DW and I were dating..then we got married and I could say no.  

I loved my time living in the mountains in BC.  Ontario is VERY different.  Winter in Ontario is depressing.  In either case, when retirement comes, multiple cheap cruises (as opposed to March break, Christmas, and summer price gouging we currently suffer through to feed our addiction), and a few months in a nice warm climate without Ontario's humidity is something I hope to enjoy.

[d9704011]

21 minutes ago, Russ Lomas said:

Probably fully legal now.  I drove onto the Oneida reserve as I was passing it two days ago to get gas (much cheaper) and passed about a half dozen dispensaries in less than a kilometre drive (and there are many more on this small parcel of land).

I was thinking more the cultivation and entertaining the neighbours int garage scenario. I’m sure the fuzz won’t hassle nobody who ain’t makin’ no trouble..... man!

[CruiseBride926]

Doing something like that just doesn’t seem logical to me especially in a state as large as Florida. Lots of people would need to drive many hours even within their own state to get there which would require stops for things like gas or bathroom breaks therefore possibly exposing them. It’s just too hard to regulate something like that unless they literally shuttle people from their front door to the port to ensure they aren’t making any pit stops. 😂

[Ourusualbeach]

33 minutes ago, Russ Lomas said:

(as opposed to March break, Christmas, and summer price gouging

Absolutely, and longer than 7 day cruises

[A&L_Ont]

2 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Which unless you like snow just sucks in March.  May have to set up some beach chairs in our neighbours garage under his grow lights.🤣

No grow lights, but we did install new LED floods in the big barn this summer. Any fellow Canuks have outdoor heaters to bring over? I can put ice melting cables in a layer of sand and we are set. Bring your loungers. 
 

You are welcome to attend the Barn Beach Club.

[Ourusualbeach]

18 minutes ago, A&L_Ont said:

No grow lights, but we did install new LED floods in the big barn this summer. Any fellow Canuks have outdoor heaters to bring over? I can put ice melting cables in a layer of sand and we are set. Bring your loungers. 
 

You are welcome to attend the Barn Beach Club.

Do they rent the portable flowriders for a week?😇