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19 hours ago, LXA350 said:

 

 

 

If comparing Singapore and Forida it's taking one of the most developed countries in terms of health Care to a Country that has a health care system comparable to a 3rd world country.

Just stop, you're making a fool of yourself.

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Russ Lomas

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59 minutes ago, LXA350 said:

 

Likely when RCL restarts in January they will have completely new itinaries for the first monts that can look as follows:

First Stage: 2-3 night cruises to no where

2nd Stage: 3-4 night cruises to Coco Cay (Coco Cay  - Sea Day - Coco Cay)

3rd Stage: 5-6 night cruises with stops both at Labadee and Coco Cay

 

After this (2-3 months after) we might start seeing the regular 3/4 night itinararies from Mariner and Navigator and more if situation allows it.

 

I am assuming you are only speculating this plan.

 

Cruises to nowhere are not permitted under the Jones Act sailing from the US.  They have to port in another foreign country, therefore I do not think your idea of the first stage will occur.  They would likely go straight into what you call the 2nd stage and offer short cruises to a single port, likely Coco Cay or Labadee would be my guess (or another port like Nassau if they were permitted to dock there).

 

I think RCCL would like to get their Oasis class ships out soon (maybe late February) after the 3/4 sailings are deemed to have been traveling without major incidence since those are the largest, offer the most space, and the most profitable for RCCL to operate.  I think they would want to stick to the 7 day itineraries they currently have booked with them.  If they cancelled these, it would piss a lot of people off are already booked on them and I think RCCL would prefer to keep these ships docking on their regular weekend schedules in Florida.

 

Now, this is totally speculation on my part as well.

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A&L_Ont "Live from...." Rare

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1 hour ago, time4u2go said:

Are the Bahamas even allowing passengers from the U. S.?


Not yet, not that it matter at this point in time.
 

First they have to clear the small hurdle named the CDC. 

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Russ Lomas

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56 minutes ago, d9704011 said:

2,500+ posts and you still can’t identify the PVSA?

Someone is snarky this weekend...So I erred and mentioned the same act but the one that applies to cargo instead of passengers.  I suggest you go back to sleep and wake up when you are not so grumpy

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livingonthebeach "Live from...." Rare

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2 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

https://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=255

 

 

From the article:

"The loophole around this regulation is a ship that is domestically flagged and staffed with an American crew." 

 

NCL's Pride of America fits this category.  If RCI took one of its ships and flagged it in the US and hired Americans to staff it, they could conceivably offer cruises to nowhere.  

 

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not-enough-cruising

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21 hours ago, LXA350 said:

 

RCL could not have chosen a better place for restarting it's cruises than Singapore. It's probably the cleanest Country / City State in the World. Starting with cruises from there will give them a very safe entry point and give them a great way to trial the new protocols and where needed have them fine tuned.

 

The concept RCL presented on their Singapore website for the restart there and likely as well in other regions at a later stage is absolutely excellent and gives the passengers great confidence. There are almost no places on land where such a safe experience is provided. Even during normal times, a RCL ship is already much cleaner than most 5 Star hotels.

 

However I think the hopes for cruises to begin from Florida in December are at 0%, it's just again the RCL communication that decided to cancel cruises one more month out instead of finally presenting a concrete plan on what might be possible and what for sure will not happen.

If I read RCL correctly, then anything smaller than Voyager Class will not be sailing until earliest spring / summer next year and the first cruises out of Florida will not happen before January 2021.

 

If comparing Singapore and Forida it's taking one of the most developed countries in terms of health Care to a Country that has a health care system comparable to a 3rd world country.

Obviously you have never practiced medicine in a 3rd world country. I have, two times a year for the last 30 years. 
I love it when residents of one country find themselves experts on another countries “offerings”

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Russ Lomas

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4 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

https://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=255

 

I had previously read that the PVSA (which I mistakenly referred to as the Jones Act earlier) prevented the cruises from nowhere since the cruise line would be fined for each passenger on board.  Thanks for sharing the link that explains that ships departing from a US port and not docking at a foreign port before returning to the US, is due to a concern by the CBP and the issue of those working on the ship not being US citizens, thus an issue with not being permitted to work on such a voyage.

 

It is hard enough to keep up to date on all of our countries laws, never mind those of the US.

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3 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

From the article:

"The loophole around this regulation is a ship that is domestically flagged and staffed with an American crew." 

 

NCL's Pride of America fits this category.  If RCI took one of its ships and flagged it in the US and hired Americans to staff it, they could conceivably offer cruises to nowhere.  

 

If I’m not mistaken there are (or was) also requirements as to the construction and manufacture of said ship. 

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LXA350

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1 hour ago, bouhunter said:

Just stop, you're making a fool of yourself.

Actually it's really true what you are saying. In my country most people including myself do not own a helicopter and would not have access to this super health care treatment that somone in Washington had and claims that it's there for everyone... 🤡

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2 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

If I’m not mistaken there are (or was) also requirements as to the construction and manufacture of said ship. 

 

It was built in the United States (Mississippi) for a company that went bankrupt and sold it to NCL.  NCL shipped it to Germany for completion.

 

From Wiki:

"Norwegian Cruise Line Ltd acquired the unfinished ship and was towed to Germany for completion as Pride of America for their newly launched NCL America division. In the process, the ship was lengthened from 850 feet (260 m) to 920 feet (280 m), increasing the gross tonnage from 72,000 to more than 80,000. Under NCL America, the ship was initially slated for completion in 2004, but the delivery date was pushed back to 2005 after a major storm hit the Lloyd Werft shipyard and caused considerable damage to the vessel which also sank at her berth.[6] A special exemption on the part of the U.S. government allowed the modified, mostly German-built ship to attain U.S. registry.

Since Pride of America is registered in the U.S., she is subject to American labor laws and is staffed by a mostly American crew. This is in contrast to most other cruise ships, which are registered in flag of convenience countries and have mainly foreign crews. In addition, Pride of America has no casino onboard, because she never leaves U.S. waters."

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Saab4444

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17 minutes ago, time4u2go said:

Anyway, it's not the PVSA (or the Jones Act) that prohibits cruises to nowhere.

They would just make a technical stop in the Bahamas without anyone allowed to leave the ship, easy solution for all the PVSA and Jones act focused experts...

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3 hours ago, livingonthebeach said:

 

Cruises to nowhere are not allowed out of US ports.  I wish they would temporarily lift that restriction.  Short cruises to the Caribbean are very likely to be the ones to start the reopening. 

 

Great point.  They would have to at least stop at their private "islands".

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54 minutes ago, Saab4444 said:

They would just make a technical stop in the Bahamas without anyone allowed to leave the ship, easy solution for all the PVSA and Jones act focused experts...

 

I am hoping for a similar solution for Alaska cruises to start.  If Canada doesn't want to open their borders, a quick little stop in Victoria for the round trip Seattle cruises would work for me.  That won't help Radiance doing the one way sailings or sailings round trip from Vancouver, but it would at least get Quantum and Ovation sailing.

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47 minutes ago, reallyitsmema said:

 

I am hoping for a similar solution for Alaska cruises to start.  If Canada doesn't want to open their borders, a quick little stop in Victoria for the round trip Seattle cruises would work for me.  That won't help Radiance doing the one way sailings or sailings round trip from Vancouver, but it would at least get Quantum and Ovation sailing.

What Country do you think Victoria is in?

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2 minutes ago, reallyitsmema said:

 

LOL  Yes, I know Victoria is in Canada.  The point is, if they won't allow passengers or crew off the ship, if at least the ship could make a technical stop, Alaska sailings could happen.

Ah phew lol. I hear you, a stop would make sense for 2 reasons, to appease the rule and so the port can collect some much needed fees. I hear you. 

 

Our Alaska cruise still stands as one of our favourites....and we went during rainy season. 

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LXA350

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1 hour ago, reallyitsmema said:

 

I am hoping for a similar solution for Alaska cruises to start.  If Canada doesn't want to open their borders, a quick little stop in Victoria for the round trip Seattle cruises would work for me.  That won't help Radiance doing the one way sailings or sailings round trip from Vancouver, but it would at least get Quantum and Ovation sailing.

 

I think this post once again brought it to the point 🤡🙉🤡

 

People barely have a clu which states suround theirs, as soon as you leave the borders of the counry it ends in something like that 😄 

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