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14 hours ago, howiefrommd said:

I guess the five additional positives are also “false positives”

No, they are confirmed positives and we are now up to 7, five from one travel party and another husband and wife. One passenger is in the hospital.

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6 minutes ago, Ladys Mom said:

I guess none of the big ships will be leaving port for a while.  Boo hoo!!!

Unfortunately more than the big ships will not be sailing if seadream with 53 passengers could not control the virus. 
 

it is obvious that if passengers are not quarantined for 14 days prior getting tested before boarding the testing will not be infected as it can take the 14 days for the virus to show up in testing. 
 

The CDC requirements will not keep contagious people from boarding cruise ships and infecting others. 

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Any chance the other couple was the pair reported to be upset about having to wear masks, when the rules changed on board?  

 

Ok, that was snarky - more seriously, hope that all the ill recover fully and that the rest of the crew, passengers, and others interacting with them remain safe.

 

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/5732/

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54 minutes ago, greykitty said:

 

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/5732/

Thanks for the article greykitty.  Good article except for the conclusion that at least one of the positives got infected between the three day before traveling and on the dock Covid tests.  This is factually incorrect based on the quote below.   The person(s) could have been infected well before the test prior to leaving home and the test prior to boarding as they were only 3 days apart and up to 14 days.

 

This is why the testing testing recommended by many of the agencies will NOT totally pick up infections without the people quarantining for up to 14 days prior to the leaving home test and even then could catch the virus before boarding.

 

It truly is mystifying how all of the agencies requiring COVID tests have not realized these possibilities and even if other cruise lines  require tests 3 days before departure plus tests before boarding there will be cases of COVID on board ships for sure.   IMHO testing requirements need to change before cruising can resume.

 

"What is the incubation period of COVID-19?

The incubation period for COVID-19 is thought to extend to 14 days, with a median time of 4-5 days from exposure to symptoms onset. One study reported that 97.5% of persons with COVID-19 who develop symptoms will do so within 11.5 days of SARS-CoV-2 infection.Nov 3, 2020"

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On 11/13/2020 at 1:37 PM, greykitty said:

Any chance the other couple was the pair reported to be upset about having to wear masks, when the rules changed on board?  

As I understand it, after the initial stringent embarkation procedures, including tests, masks were not required onboard.  That was obviously a mistake.

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12 minutes ago, Wendy The Wanderer said:

As I understand it, after the initial stringent embarkation procedures, including tests, masks were not required onboard.  That was obviously a mistake.

Really doubt any of the people became COVID positive on the ship.  COVID is thought to take anywhere from 5 to 14 days to show a positive and they were only onboard for 4 days.  My thoughts are that requiring tests 3 days before arrival at the Port and again at the Port do little to nothing to make sure the people are not COVID Positive because of the time it takes to become contagious and test positive.

 

IMHO in order for people to travel they need to quarantine for 14 days prior to departure for the cruise as that is the only way to make sure they are not COVID positive.  That is exactly what the crew requirements are so why are the passenger requirements so different and in this case most likely allowed people who were already infected to board the ship.

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1 hour ago, rallydave said:

Really doubt any of the people became COVID positive on the ship.  COVID is thought to take anywhere from 5 to 14 days to show a positive and they were only onboard for 4 days.  My thoughts are that requiring tests 3 days before arrival at the Port and again at the Port do little to nothing to make sure the people are not COVID Positive because of the time it takes to become contagious and test positive.

 

IMHO in order for people to travel they need to quarantine for 14 days prior to departure for the cruise as that is the only way to make sure they are not COVID positive.  That is exactly what the crew requirements are so why are the passenger requirements so different and in this case most likely allowed people who were already infected to board the ship.

Seems unrealistic to sequester all passengers in some location for 14 days before allowing them to embark.  We retired people have the time....but what about those still working where this would add another 2 weeks away from their jobs....not to mention the costs involved for those 14 days.

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I agree. In my opinion the airports, air planes, and other transportation to get to a cruise pose more danger than being on a lux cruise. The post cruise quarantine would certainly be a burden, but those passengers have been exposed and it takes a while for the disease to be detected in many cases. This is the reason many of us are deferring cruising until we can be vaccinated — and perhaps some time after that.

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20 minutes ago, Kwaj girl said:

Seems unrealistic to sequester all passengers in some location for 14 days before allowing them to embark.  We retired people have the time....but what about those still working where this would add another 2 weeks away from their jobs....not to mention the costs involved for those 14 days.

Agree with your thoughts but The Seadream story proves that testing 3 days before traveling and again at the dock is not safe and even with the Seadream protocol cruising simply won’t work until we eradicate COVID. 

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1 hour ago, Kwaj girl said:

Seems unrealistic to sequester all passengers in some location for 14 days before allowing them to embark.  We retired people have the time....but what about those still working where this would add another 2 weeks away from their jobs....not to mention the costs involved for those 14 days.

This is a total non-starter and if applied will mean Regent's demise. No way will this work plus no international passengers as well: they get the double whammy of then maybe having to self isolate when they return for 14 days from some locations like USA at present so a 2 week cruise becomes a 6 week expedition !!!

 

 

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7 hours ago, rallydave said:

Agree with your thoughts but The Seadream story proves that testing 3 days before traveling and again at the dock is not safe and even with the Seadream protocol cruising simply won’t work until we eradicate COVID. 

If COVID must be totally eradicated before we can cruise, the cruise lines all might just as well close right now and stop going deeper in debt.  Even with a good vaccine and herd immunity, there will still be some cases of COVID, probably still everywhere in the world.

 

A vaccine that is 90% effective means that 10% of those vaccinated are still susceptible, and we don't know how long the vaccine immunity (or the immunity from getting the actual virus) will last.  And even in developed countries where everyone could eventually have the opportunity to get the vaccine, many will refuse it.  The people of different countries will probably not all have the same access to get the vaccine.  It is so widespread already that vaccination, testing, and contact tracing, are not going to be able to eradicate it.

 

Hopefully the number of people affected will become much smaller and "normal" life can resume, but it is a wild leap of imagination to think that COVID will disappear.

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6 hours ago, SusieQft said:
14 hours ago, rallydave said:

COVID. 

If COVID must be totally eradicated before we can cruise, the cruise lines all might just as well close right now and stop going deeper in debt

I probably went a bit overboard using the word eradicated but we need to have it under control more than it currently is. And those making the rules regarding testing certainly need to go further in the testing requirements than the 3 days many are using based on the Seadream misadventure simply based on the up to 14 days after exposure before testing will show a true positive. 

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Early days, and both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines still have hoops to jump through, of course, but this sounds promising - especially vis a vis the cold chain issue.  This would be huge getting the vaccine to those in more rural or medically underserved areas, I think

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html

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