sfaaa Posted April 14, 2019 #101 Share Posted April 14, 2019 If true, Carnival's loss will likely be MSC's gain. MSC has been trying to get into the lucrative Alaska market for some years now without success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voljeep Posted April 14, 2019 Author #102 Share Posted April 14, 2019 Jail time is the answer - from the Board of Directors, President, CEO's , the perps that did the job, and most importantly ... the CAPTAIN of the ships involved, and the perps who did the coverup ... allegedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx200gps Posted April 14, 2019 #103 Share Posted April 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, voljeep said: Jail time is the answer - from the Board of Directors, President, CEO's , the perps that did the job, and most importantly ... the CAPTAIN of the ships involved, and the perps who did the coverup ... allegedly. Seems like the cart's pretty far out on front of the horse here. I certainly agree that anyone who actively took part in, or was aware of, the alleged illegalities should face severe punishment, I don't think that should automatically extend to every corporate executive of the violating firm. While they certainly do have ultimate responsibility and will have to face the music from a financial/corporate standpoint, sending a VP or President to jail for the actions of someone 37 levels down the corporate food chain is too extreme unless they knew anything of the wrongdoing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 14, 2019 #104 Share Posted April 14, 2019 What people don't understand is that this probation was to change corporate culture, so the failure of someone down the ladder is a failure of management to implement a viable program of compliance. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted April 14, 2019 #105 Share Posted April 14, 2019 27 minutes ago, lx200gps said: Seems like the cart's pretty far out on front of the horse here. I certainly agree that anyone who actively took part in, or was aware of, the alleged illegalities should face severe punishment, I don't think that should automatically extend to every corporate executive of the violating firm. While they certainly do have ultimate responsibility and will have to face the music from a financial/corporate standpoint, sending a VP or President to jail for the actions of someone 37 levels down the corporate food chain is too extreme unless they knew anything of the wrongdoing. It depends - why would the employee be encouraged to do such a behavior? Culture or pressure from above? It does seem like the very top of Princess are all about cutting at all costs. Maybe the pressure was coming from the top down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx200gps Posted April 14, 2019 #106 Share Posted April 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, chengkp75 said: What people don't understand is that this probation was to change corporate culture, so the failure of someone down the ladder is a failure of management to implement a viable program of compliance. Very well stated, and clearly the corporation as a whole needs an attitude adjustment, starting at the top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ep010835 Posted April 14, 2019 #107 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, chengkp75 said: What people don't understand is that this probation was to change corporate culture, so the failure of someone down the ladder is a failure of management to implement a viable program of compliance. As usual, the Chief has nailed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliair Posted April 14, 2019 #108 Share Posted April 14, 2019 1 hour ago, lx200gps said: Very well stated, and clearly the corporation as a whole needs an attitude adjustment, starting at the top. Yeah I AGREE, NOW BRING BACK THE HAPPY HOUR! 🙏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare oskidunker Posted April 14, 2019 #109 Share Posted April 14, 2019 They should strap the ceo to a barrel chair and punch him overboard into the plastic jungle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pms4104 Posted April 15, 2019 #110 Share Posted April 15, 2019 As a non-U.S. entity, incorporated in Panama and exempt from paying U.S. corporate income taxes, CCL's restitution should be an amount that is at least equal to the Federal taxes not required to be paid since this lying, pollution and coverup started. As for punishment for those responsible ... I hope the courts show them no kindness nor mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemis12 Posted April 15, 2019 #111 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) x Edited April 15, 2019 by bemis12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDG 41 Posted April 15, 2019 #112 Share Posted April 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, pms4104 said: As a non-U.S. entity, incorporated in Panama and exempt from paying U.S. corporate income taxes, CCL's restitution should be an amount that is at least equal to the Federal taxes not required to be paid since this lying, pollution and coverup started. As for punishment for those responsible ... I hope the courts show them no kindness nor mercy. Your responsible as you cruised and you contributed to this pollution... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare oskidunker Posted April 15, 2019 #113 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Will any people cancel cruises? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expat Cruise Posted April 15, 2019 #114 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, DDG 41 said: Your responsible as you cruised and you contributed to this pollution... Sorry but it is not the responsibility of the guest to see that the cruise lines follow the law. We as guest paid the cruise lines to provide the cruise, in exchange for that payment the cruise company agrees to provide a safe and enjoyable cruise as promoted and advertised. It is the job of the cruise lines to provide ships and crews that follow the law and still honor the agreement with the guests. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissP22 Posted April 15, 2019 #115 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, oskidunker said: Will any people cancel cruises? I doubt it. A few of the conservationists from California might, but the rest of the normal sailing people will still cruise just as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCcruisecrazy Posted April 15, 2019 #116 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Very interesting how many on here want to play Judge, Jury, and Executioner. I'm thinking about those outside of the cruise line employees that depend on those ships coming to port for their livelihoods. IF they are purposefully negligent, I would hope the punishment is focused on CCL making retributions and not a punishment that will effect so many others outside the corporate structure. I personally will continue to sail on Princess and enjoy the extra room from those boycotting. Thanks in advance!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ep010835 Posted April 15, 2019 #117 Share Posted April 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, USCcruisecrazy said: ....and enjoy the extra room from those boycotting. Thanks in advance!! Boycotts don’t work. Never have. Never will. Except for those special folks, of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemis12 Posted April 15, 2019 #118 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Ep010835 said: Boycotts don’t work. Never have. Never will. Except for those special folks, of course. Of course they don't. Sometimes changes are made and people pat themselves on the back and ASSUME their boycott changed it. But it did not. Boycotts have only the most minuscule effect on a corporation, because almost nobody does it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCcruisecrazy Posted April 15, 2019 #119 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ep010835 said: Boycotts don’t work. Never have. Never will. Except for those special folks, of course. Yeah, I agree. I was being facetious! Of course, some of the comments seem to be confusing boycotting with striking...so those that are providing cash flow and those actually effected by the cash flow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemis12 Posted April 15, 2019 #120 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, USCcruisecrazy said: Yeah, I agree. I was being facetious! Of course, some of the comments seem to be confusing boycotting with striking...so those that are providing cash flow and those actually effected by the cash flow. I noticed that too. Striking and government sanctions. Those work, boycotts do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted April 15, 2019 #121 Share Posted April 15, 2019 16 hours ago, oskidunker said: Will any people cancel cruises? I doubt it. Doubt no more. I will be booking as soon as I can find more good cruise deals on Carnival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted April 15, 2019 #122 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Yes, we must all support lawbreakers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfaaa Posted April 15, 2019 #123 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Only a fool would turn down a good cruise deal. But you are free to do your boycott thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voljeep Posted April 15, 2019 Author #124 Share Posted April 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, sfaaa said: Only a fool would turn down a good cruise deal. But you are free to do your boycott thing. some people have more Scruples ... like The Bionic Woman ... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yukongold Posted April 15, 2019 #125 Share Posted April 15, 2019 As egregious as the offense is, I really don't think the judge will follow through. It would have a tremendous economic impact on a lot of innocent people. Some other penalty is probably more appropriate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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