Formula280SS Posted December 20, 2019 #201 Share Posted December 20, 2019 WOW, anyone else thinks it looks like OASIS did a heck of a job with at least its bow and aft Port thruster's (or more, if possible?) to keep Glory away from her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibaster McGillicutty Posted December 20, 2019 #202 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Monica887 said: How did they compensate you? Did they refund part of your original sailing, or provide future travel credit? The people on the ship received future cruise discounts. I don't remember if they received any partial refund for their current or not. For our 7.....oops, 4-day cruise the following week, you could cancel (not even show up but the preferred you let them know ahead of time) and receive 100% refund. We didn't get any future cruise discounts but they pro-rated part back to us. We could only make 2 stops instead of 3 and 1 of them changed (wasn't on our original itinerary.) We got port fees back for 1 that we missed. I argued a little bit because the pro-rate refund math did not work out as easy as $/day and give us back 3x that amount for the 3 days missed. Didn't work that way apparently but we went anyway.......and had one of the best cruises ever. Boat was only about half full so no lines! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL3XCruise Posted December 20, 2019 #203 Share Posted December 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, Formula280SS said: WOW, anyone else thinks it looks like OASIS did a heck of a job with at least its bow and aft Port thruster's (or more, if possible?) to keep Glory away from her? I haven't seen any reports or video of Oasis doing anything? All the videos I've seen so plenty of wash coming off of Glory and swirling along the Oasis's hull. I'm curious what are you referring too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSU2LSU Posted December 20, 2019 #204 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Currently on board the glory. No serious injuries reported. The damage is to the Platinum dining area. No news given on what's going on but when I was on dock workers were wheeling about what appeared to be 8ft by 4ft plates of one inch steel toward the on-site crane. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare WhaleTailFlCruiser Posted December 20, 2019 #205 Share Posted December 20, 2019 So I was watching the Video and noticed the Legend started her Engines back up, Curious why that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formula280SS Posted December 20, 2019 #206 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, AL3XCruise said: I haven't seen any reports or video of Oasis doing anything? All the videos I've seen so plenty of wash coming off of Glory and swirling along the Oasis's hull. I'm curious what are you referring too? Just per the various videos online. IMO, it appears Oasis is using the Port thrusters against Glory. Do I know? Nope. Just looking at the 10+ videos is looks like she is. Hopefully we'll find out. Also, there are some really experienced marine ship members here that might weigh in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
above sea level cruiser Posted December 20, 2019 #207 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, pe4all said: Would love to hear what Chengkp75 has to say about the damage and possible repairs. He is extremely knowledgeable in this area. He will likely say: no structural damage. Good to go. The facade surround of the dinning room has been blown out, but can be replaced. I think (being that it is above deck 5), that most of the damage would be to aluminum components and not mild steel. Harder to repair if aluminum but doable without an extended docking period IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare WhaleTailFlCruiser Posted December 20, 2019 #208 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, fin said: In view of these photos, I am astounded at the pronouncement of the CEO that sailing will continue as usual. It is pointed out, correctly, that the CEO "knows more than we do". He may have heard from some major shareholders as to what will happen if they cancel sailings. He MAY even have heard from on-site structural engineers as to the lack of any hidden or not immediately obvious damage. It will be most interesting to see whether the CEO has to 'walk back' his rather unambiguous pronouncement later for any reason. Why cancel holiday bookings that you charged a premium on and people shelled out thousands for if you do not have to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fin Posted December 20, 2019 #209 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, msufan288 said: Looking at these pics, I'm pretty sure they will have to repair this at a shipyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noche_caliente Posted December 20, 2019 #210 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 hours ago, ABQrobin said: And to the person claiming its all Carnival's fault, I do believe NCL or Royal crashed into the pier at Coxen Hole last year and took it out completely. It can happen to any cruise ship. MSC actually 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkie60 Posted December 20, 2019 #211 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, jimbo5544 said: Not many that can handle a ship this size, I can only think of two possibilities on the east coast She will go to Freeport, Grand Bahamas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmeagain Posted December 20, 2019 #212 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Sean_B said: They're going to sail everyone home to NOLA, but after that, it's doubtful they'll go to sea. They need to have Engineers look at the ship and that crushed deck is somewhat structural and will need to be replaced. I spent 13 years in the Navy and have put two ships through refit, including one which was damaged in a similar manner. I'm not an "expert", but I've got first hand knowledge of the process. Did Navy time also, and you do need to remember they do not have their hands tied the way the Navy does on yard periods and repairs. It would not surprise me at all if they don’t cancel anything but piece it back together during different port calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpat48 Posted December 20, 2019 #213 Share Posted December 20, 2019 54 minutes ago, Formula280SS said: Just per the various videos online. IMO, it appears Oasis is using the Port thrusters against Glory. Do I know? Nope. Just looking at the 10+ videos is looks like she is. Hopefully we'll find out. Also, there are some really experienced marine ship members here that might weigh in. Been to Cozumel a few times on the Oasis, and it was always there and tied up before the Carnival ships show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunonfire Posted December 21, 2019 #214 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I am not on board. I checked various marine tracking sites - the Legend has departed. The Glory is still moored in Cozumel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted December 21, 2019 #215 Share Posted December 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, pinkie60 said: She will go to Freeport, Grand Bahamas. The best fit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_B Posted December 21, 2019 #216 Share Posted December 21, 2019 29 minutes ago, itsmeagain said: Did Navy time also, and you do need to remember they do not have their hands tied the way the Navy does on yard periods and repairs. It would not surprise me at all if they don’t cancel anything but piece it back together during different port calls. I wasn't US Navy and when our ships needed repair they went in right away. Looking at the damage, the outside deck of the Ebony lounge is completely crushed, causing some pretty serious damage the dining room. If they fix this at sea, I'll be astounded, but the amount of noise it's going to create during the repair is going to reverberate throughout the entire ship, so even doing it along side in various ports is going to cause a giant line at guest services. Giving out onboard credit like it's raining money may still be cheaper for Carnival than heading into a dry dock period for several weeks, so I guess that's a business case to be presented.. What it will do to their reputation is another thread all together. As for the CEO knowing more than we do, I don't doubt that he's at least one personal conversation with the Captain and perhaps two, but there's no way they've had that damage inspected by a Marine Engineer due to their location, time and some other factors. They won't truly know until they get back to the US, so be prepared for the CEO to change his mind. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_B Posted December 21, 2019 #217 Share Posted December 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, sunonfire said: I am not on board. I checked various marine tracking sites - the Legend has departed. The Glory is still moored in Cozumel. The Legend wasn't really damaged beyond some minor cosmetic damage from what I can tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kearney Posted December 21, 2019 #218 Share Posted December 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, pinkie60 said: She will go to Freeport, Grand Bahamas. Is Freeport repaired after the Oasis accident... I thought ships were going someplace else... Celebrity ships were being sent to Spain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted December 21, 2019 #219 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I think it's unlikely that they'll fix this damage while under way. With all the cutting and welding that will be required, the risk of fire is too strong to allow passengers on board while repairs are in progress. They may patch the holes in the ship and block off the interior area and cruise on until a slot opens up in a shipyard to make proper repairs. They'll need some custom ordered parts anyway, such as the windows, that won't be immediately available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organized Chaos Posted December 21, 2019 #220 Share Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, above sea level cruiser said: He will likely say: no structural damage. Good to go. The facade surround of the dinning room has been blown out, but can be replaced. I think (being that it is above deck 5), that most of the damage would be to aluminum components and not mild steel. Harder to repair if aluminum but doable without an extended docking period IMHO. FYI: A majority of the (visible) damage is on decks 3 & 4, the aft MDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaded Lady Posted December 21, 2019 #221 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Like others I was hoping @chengkp75 would weigh in here, for some experienced thoughts on the situation... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiakids3 Posted December 21, 2019 #222 Share Posted December 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Sean_B said: First the Mardi Gras news and now this. Not a great day for Carnival 😞 My Thoughts exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare WhaleTailFlCruiser Posted December 21, 2019 #223 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Interesting that Glory is still moored in port Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelowDeck4us Posted December 21, 2019 #224 Share Posted December 21, 2019 All I could think about was the new cooking classes they're offering on the Panorama. You ask how that relates? I couldn't help but think they had started a "pilot" (no pun intended) class on the Glory and that a passenger was captaining the ship. 😏 The weather conditions were clearly known, including the gusty winds. So for those who've captained a vessel, if the windy conditions are known, shouldn't you give a wider berth to all obstacles, in anticipation of what happened might just happen? I'm probably overly simplifying the situation when I compare it to driving in ice and snow, in which case you leave a greater following distance to the nearest vehicle. But again, I've never operated any type of boat, let alone a cruise ship. Just glad to hear there were no serious injuries. Ships can be repaired, sometimes people can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotRob Posted December 21, 2019 #225 Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 hours ago, ray98 said: Why? You know why. In today's 24-hour news frenzy, everyone thinks they're entitled to know everything. And immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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