What is being done about coronavirus.....

[rallydave]

3 minutes ago, BBWC said:

I am having trouble posting the link, but the age restriction was proposed by the CLIA. The proposal states that no one over 70 will be allowed to board a cruise ship unless they have a doctor’s note that they are fit to travel, so not a complete ban.

Doubt that will work very well if accepted as doubt many doctors will take the risk  putting their approval in writing.  I can see the lawsuits now.

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/11/proposal-white-house-cruise-industry-bar-people-70-ships/5020325002/
 

[Gray Eagle02]

USA Today has a banner that that CLIA is proposing to the White House that those 70 or older should be banned from boarding cruise ships. 

[greykitty]

5 minutes ago, rallydave said:

Doubt that will work very well if accepted as doubt many doctors will take the risk  putting their approval in writing.  I can see the lawsuits now.

 

IMO, no reputable, ethical doctor would approve an at risk patient getting on a cruise ship now.  I've read about some patients kind of forgetting to mention their plans to travel, especially via ship, to their physicians.  Heck, my ob/gyn preemptively suggested to me, at my routine exam, to not hang around in crowds three weeks ago specifically due to the outbreak, and I'm 66 with Type 2 and otherwise pretty good. 

 

And, yeah, law suits as well.  

[greykitty]

And, of course, the CLIA suggestion does nothing really to mitigate the spread of the virus.  Just grasping at straws and hoping they're not directed to stand down - or forbidden all US ports.

[Journey99999]

14 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/11/proposal-white-house-cruise-industry-bar-people-70-ships/5020325002/
 

hmmmm.................. the 70+ MADE the cruise industry. 
If this happens, I will never take another cruise! 
I'm in my 50's and think this suggestion is outrageous and discriminating.  

[Pcardad]

2 minutes ago, Journey99999 said:

hmmmm.................. the 70+ MADE the cruise industry. 
If this happens, I will never take another cruise! 
I'm in my 50's and think this suggestion is outrageous and discriminating.  

 

If it happens, it won't be the fault of the cruise industry. 

[greykitty]

And, WHO finally declared  Covid 19 a pandemic.  

 

WHO pandemic announcement

[greykitty]

5 minutes ago, Journey99999 said:

hmmmm.................. the 70+ MADE the cruise industry. 
If this happens, I will never take another cruise! 
I'm in my 50's and think this suggestion is outrageous and discriminating.  

 

IMO, it's the cruise industry grasping at the minimum they can do avert being shut down.  They're basing the age on mortality statistics we know to date on Covid 19.  In reality, they probably should have said 60 if they were using age as a basis.  

[Pcardad]

...and that releases the funds to under-developed countries to help fight the outbreak.

 

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[Ragnar Danneskjold]

As Dr. Fauci said, things are not going to be the same as they were.

[tampadee]

Does anyone know:

 

The most vulnerable people are older with underlying issues

 

OR

 

just older people?

[greykitty]

Older people AND people with underlying conditions.  If you happen to be both, you won the double whammy. 

 

Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) submitted a plan to Vice President Michael Pence proposing enhanced measures across the industry as coronavirus rages on, forcing two ships of passengers into quarantine and escalating fears on others. 

According to the proposal, boarding should be denied to any person over the age of 70 years unless they are able to present a doctor's note verifying their fitness for travel on a cruise ship, according to a person familiar with the situation but not authorized to speak publicly. 

Similarly, any person with a chronic medical condition who could be at an increased risk if they were to contract COVID-19 should be barred from getting on a cruise ship.

[Wendy The Wanderer]

1 hour ago, BBWC said:

I am having trouble posting the link, but the age restriction was proposed by the CLIA. The proposal states that no one over 70 will be allowed to board a cruise ship unless they have a doctor’s note that they are fit to travel, so not a complete ban.

 

It's weird that no one seems to be pointing the finger at air travel as a huge culprit--travel in general is getting dangerous, and most of that has nothing to do with cruising.  If it hadn't have been for the Diamond Princess, I'm sure fingers would have been pointed elsewhere.  Except of course, I'm sure there's a huge airline industry lobby group in Washington to make sure that doesn't happen.  I for one wouldn't mind getting on a Regent ship right now, as long as I didn't have to fly or hang around in an airport.

 

53 minutes ago, Journey99999 said:

hmmmm.................. the 70+ MADE the cruise industry. 
If this happens, I will never take another cruise! 
I'm in my 50's and think this suggestion is outrageous and discriminating.  

 

Why would you do that?  Such a rule would have nothing to do with the cruise industry itself.

[greykitty]

President met with airlines before Pence met with cruise ship lines.  Reports are lots of fighting between what the admin wants and what the airlines say they can do.  A lot of attention is being turned toward the airports, especially. Senator Durbin had some pointed words about airport screenings for the CDC of late.

 

That said, at least some air travel could be considered pretty essential, and for the most part people are only on planes or in airports for hours, not days.  I do agree that everyone should definitely consider whether they need to travel at all. So many businesses have banned any but the most essential air travel

 

I don't believe anyone would disagree that cruise travel is pretty much the definition of non-essential travel, has a huge customer base of exactly the demographic most at risk, and on return can pose enormous logistical issues if the virus has spread on board.  Even a small, deluxe cruise line carries what, 500+ souls at time? I don't see why anyone is surprised that a nonessential mode of travel is being scrutinized closely.

[PaulaJK]

And the crew members who tested positive on Grand Princess were all over 70, right?

 

I find the ‘age’ approach rather irrelevant and not helping anything. The emphasis should be on hygiene plus avoiding close proximity/ crowds. That might mean everyone on a cruise ship, plane, at a movie theater, concert, theater, religious gatherings, schools,etc. ...irrespective of age. The best attempt at mitigation might mean quarantine in place for 14 days.....but the result on our economy would be mind boggling. 

[Pcardad]

3 minutes ago, PaulaJK said:

And the crew members who tested positive on Grand Princess were all over 70, right?

 

I find the ‘age’ approach rather irrelevant and not helping anything. The emphasis should be on hygiene plus avoiding close proximity/ crowds. That might mean everyone on a cruise ship, plane, at a movie theater, concert, theater, religious gatherings, schools,etc. ...irrespective of age. The best attempt at mitigation might mean quarantine in place for 14 days.....but the result on our economy would be mind boggling. 

 

This is why...and it makes perfect sense.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

[Pcardad]

And yes, we should quarantine in place for 14 days, like the Chinese did, or we will pay a much greater price.

[Wendy The Wanderer]

1 minute ago, Pcardad said:

And yes, we should quarantine in place for 14 days, like the Chinese did, or we will pay a much greater price.

 

Yes, but for how many sets of 14 days can that go on?

[ronrick1943]

1 minute ago, Pcardad said:

And yes, we should quarantine in place for 14 days, like the Chinese did, or we will pay a much greater price.

Agree 100%

[Pcardad]

One set - for all - the virus burns out in place. Or we can nickel and dime it and 1/3 of our population with get it with the undesired results.

[Wendy The Wanderer]

Just now, Pcardad said:

One set - for all - the virus burns out in place. Or we can nickel and dime it and 1/3 of our population with get it with the undesired results.

 

Think about it.  I doubt it would work some simply as that.  First of all, as people became sick, they'd have to be treated.  In hospitals, presumably. Then their relatives or friends, or whoever they've been self-isolating with, they'd have to get re-tested.  Suddenly the 14-day clock would have to be re-set for them.  And for the health care workers doing the heavy lifting too.  You're not suggesting that we all adjourn to our respective caves for 14 days and let it "burn itself out", are you?

[TrulyBlonde]

2 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/03/11/proposal-white-house-cruise-industry-bar-people-70-ships/5020325002/
 

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[Pcardad]

The Chinese did it and it worked for them. Their numbers are down (with independent supervision), their stock market is up and we are just beginning a VERY long spring and summer. I hope I am wrong.

[RJ2002]

36 minutes ago, PaulaJK said:

And the crew members who tested positive on Grand Princess were all over 70, right?

 

I find the ‘age’ approach rather irrelevant and not helping anything. 

 

Look at the data.  The mortality is much higher in seniors.  With no vaccine yet, no one has immunity.  Seniors, particularly those with underlying health issues, are at significant risk if infected.