4 deaths on HALs Zaandam

[dillpickle48]

And Zaandam now doing 15 knots under the pilot's control.  Must be in a hurry to get them through.

[Kiwi Kruzer]

45 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

Those photos look like the old canal. The Zaamdam and the Rotterdam can fit through the old canal, although they are the maximum width.

If you look at the first 2 pics you can see the 2 lock gates that slide away into the side . I posted one with them closed and one with them open . If you also enlarge the pic you can see the water swirling in the lock as it moves .I was amazed at how quickly the lock filled .

[MicCanberra]

1 hour ago, Aus Traveller said:

Those photos look like the old canal. The Zaamdam and the Rotterdam can fit through the old canal, although they are the maximum width.

I do not think any cruise ships had gone through the new canals as yet, the cost is quite prohibitive I believe. BTW, both these ships would fit in through the old locks.

[MicCanberra]

47 minutes ago, Kiwi Kruzer said:

If you look at the first 2 pics you can see the 2 lock gates that slide away into the side . I posted one with them closed and one with them open . If you also enlarge the pic you can see the water swirling in the lock as it moves .I was amazed at how quickly the lock filled .

It works very well, it was an amazing trip (back in 2011) that we did through the old locks, watching it from on the ship and then watching another ship go through from the observation deck on land.

[Aus Traveller]

49 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

I do not think any cruise ships had gone through the new canals as yet, the cost is quite prohibitive I believe. BTW, both these ships would fit in through the old locks.

I commented that both these HAL ships would fit through the old locks, but apparently they went through the new locks.

 

A lot of cruise ships have gone through the new locks, the first one was not long after they opened. Cruise ships are charged on a 'per occupied berth and per unoccupied berth" basis. The new locks are more expensive per berth than the old locks.

[Aus Traveller]

50 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

It works very well, it was an amazing trip (back in 2011) that we did through the old locks, watching it from on the ship and then watching another ship go through from the observation deck on land.

We have gone through the Panama a few times and have stood watching the process every time.

[MicCanberra]

1 hour ago, Aus Traveller said:

I commented that both these HAL ships would fit through the old locks, but apparently they went through the new locks.

 

A lot of cruise ships have gone through the new locks, the first one was not long after they opened. Cruise ships are charged on a 'per occupied berth and per unoccupied berth" basis. The new locks are more expensive per berth than the old locks.

I understood the new locks were more expensive than the old ones.

[Aus Traveller]

1 minute ago, MicCanberra said:

I understood the new locks were more expensive than the old ones.

Yes. They are. But if a ship can't fit through the old locks, they have no choice, but to go through the new locks. I don't know why they put the Zaandam and the Rotterdam through the new locks. There could be maintenance under way on the old locks.

[MicCanberra]

13 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

Yes. They are. But if a ship can't fit through the old locks, they have no choice, but to go through the new locks. I don't know why they put the Zaandam and the Rotterdam through the new locks. There could be maintenance under way on the old locks.

possibly maintenance or just scheduling issues so they had to use the new ones or wait for availability in the old ones.

BTW Panamax is 1050ft long and 110ft wide, Zaandam and Rotterdam are 780ft long 106 ft wide.

We did it on the Celebrity Infinity (Millenuium class) which is panama at 965ft long and 106 ft wide

[Sama11]

I might well be totally wrong but aren't  less local workers needed when ships go through the new locks because of the different system in the old locks(pulley system??).  I am sure I read in another thread that 24 workers have to board the ship for passage through the old locks.  We went through the new locks on the Emerald in November and don't  remember seeing lots of workers on board.  In this case maybe the Panamanian Government preferred the ship to go through the new locks to minimize contact with workers.

Anne

[MicCanberra]

5 hours ago, Sama11 said:

I might well be totally wrong but aren't  less local workers needed when ships go through the new locks because of the different system in the old locks(pulley system??).  I am sure I read in another thread that 24 workers have to board the ship for passage through the old locks.  We went through the new locks on the Emerald in November and don't  remember seeing lots of workers on board.  In this case maybe the Panamanian Government preferred the ship to go through the new locks to minimize contact with workers.

Anne

You could be right about that.

I know the new locks re-use the water over and over as the old locks do not.

BTW, the Emerald wouldn't fit in the old locks as it is too wide at 118 ft despite only being 948 ft long

[SeaDog-46]

The new locks do not use locos [mules] for moving the ships through the locks - they use ships engines with tugs at bow & stern.

Yesterday with Zaandam the tug was only an escort & was not tied up.  

This would reduce the canal personnel onboard to maybe only the pilot.

The Z & R  are small enough to just use engines & thrusters in the new locks.

 

[MicCanberra]

6 minutes ago, SeaDog-46 said:

The new locks do not use locos [mules] for moving the ships through the locks - they use ships engines with tugs at bow & stern.

Yesterday with Zaandam the tug was only an escort & was not tied up.  

This would reduce the canal personnel onboard to maybe only the pilot.

The Z & R  are small enough to just use engines & thrusters in the new locks.

 

plenty of room

[Kiwi Kruzer]

8 minutes ago, SeaDog-46 said:

The new locks do not use locos [mules] for moving the ships through the locks - they use ships engines with tugs at bow & stern.

Yesterday with Zaandam the tug was only an escort & was not tied up.  

This would reduce the canal personnel onboard to maybe only the pilot.

The Z & R  are small enough to just use engines & thrusters in the new locks.

 

Great information . I did not know the mules are  not used in the new locks . 

[dillpickle48]

New canal was cleared for a faster transit.  Set a new record, 3.5 hrs for the transit.  I guess they wanted them out of there.

[MicCanberra]

2 hours ago, dillpickle48 said:

New canal was cleared for a faster transit.  Set a new record, 3.5 hrs for the transit.  I guess they wanted them out of there.

wow, that is fast

[MicCanberra]

Came across this just now, it was about a couple that were on the Amsterdam when here.

https://www.cruisecritic.com.au/news/5233/?source=132081&fbclid=IwAR0co7IduCh0VHR_cj6kC-u836wBgyjV-6TQMkfG4F0UcaFHa0juIBXjelU

[possum52]

12 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Came across this just now, it was about a couple that were on the Amsterdam when here.

https://www.cruisecritic.com.au/news/5233/?source=132081&fbclid=IwAR0co7IduCh0VHR_cj6kC-u836wBgyjV-6TQMkfG4F0UcaFHa0juIBXjelU

A great outcome for such an elderly couple. They must have been exhausted when they arrived home. What a fantastic community CC is and a very kind gesture by Copper 10-8 to meet them and make sure they made their connecting flight.

 

Leigh

[Pushka]

42 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Came across this just now, it was about a couple that were on the Amsterdam when here.

https://www.cruisecritic.com.au/news/5233/?source=132081&fbclid=IwAR0co7IduCh0VHR_cj6kC-u836wBgyjV-6TQMkfG4F0UcaFHa0juIBXjelU

Wow. What an absolutely brilliant outcome. 

[MicCanberra]

I thought I was worth sharing being a good news story for a change.

[MMDown Under]

12 hours ago, possum52 said:

A great outcome for such an elderly couple. They must have been exhausted when they arrived home. What a fantastic community CC is and a very kind gesture by Copper 10-8 to meet them and make sure they made their connecting flight.

 

Leigh

I was a small part of that little group led by true Angels.  

[Blackduck59]

On another note, Celebrity Eclipse which was also denied port in South America has docked in San Diego. Now one passenger and 3 crew have tested positive...crap. I hope that there isn't another Ruby Princess situation, I had hoped that all the bad calls in the last couple of weeks they could have had this right. Hopefully all passengers who have disembarked will be prudent and self isolate. I suspect the Canadians will the fines are substantial, those returning from overseas MUST self isolate for 14 days, they are subject to fines of up to $750,000.00 (you read that right) and or 6 months in jail under provisions of our quarantine act.

I had so hoped someone would finally get this right.

[NSWP]

1 hour ago, Blackduck59 said:

On another note, Celebrity Eclipse which was also denied port in South America has docked in San Diego. Now one passenger and 3 crew have tested positive...crap. I hope that there isn't another Ruby Princess situation, I had hoped that all the bad calls in the last couple of weeks they could have had this right. Hopefully all passengers who have disembarked will be prudent and self isolate. I suspect the Canadians will the fines are substantial, those returning from overseas MUST self isolate for 14 days, they are subject to fines of up to $750,000.00 (you read that right) and or 6 months in jail under provisions of our quarantine act.

I had so hoped someone would finally get this right.

$750,000 strewth, only $1,000 here for individuals and $5 grand for businesses, I believe.  Although for some businesses it may go to 11 grand.

[Pushka]

1 hour ago, Blackduck59 said:

On another note, Celebrity Eclipse which was also denied port in South America has docked in San Diego. Now one passenger and 3 crew have tested positive...crap. I hope that there isn't another Ruby Princess situation, I had hoped that all the bad calls in the last couple of weeks they could have had this right. Hopefully all passengers who have disembarked will be prudent and self isolate. I suspect the Canadians will the fines are substantial, those returning from overseas MUST self isolate for 14 days, they are subject to fines of up to $750,000.00 (you read that right) and or 6 months in jail under provisions of our quarantine act.

I had so hoped someone would finally get this right.

Agree, it seems entirely reasonable to caution and even assess by temp, people disembarking from every ship and giving them a Health Warning as they disembark and then provide medical treatment to those who need it. It seems a complete denial of the possibility that the virus could be onboard almost as a Saving Face exercise but it all comes out in the wash eventually, and sadly, for some who may become very unwell. 

[Aus Traveller]

Passengers from the Zeendam and the Rotterdam have disembarked on Florida. Those fit to travel have flown on charter flights

to Atlanta and San Francisco. Carnival Corp had to reach an agreement with Broward County. A copy of this is attached - all 21 pages of it, but it is fairly easy to skim through some of it. One key point is that CCL had to deposit one million dollars into a bank account in escrow.  

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