Cruise line meeting with CDC is Today

[ray98]

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

 

It wasn't CDC that made cruise ships a scapegoat.

 

They were part of it.  It was easy pickings because the captive audience allowed them to use the end result to say 'hey were are doing something people' while they didn't have a clue on what steps to take.  They know that just as many people were getting infected at that point in airports, restaurants, stores and every other place people gather; they were just reintegrating into society.

 

The cruise industry was an easy target because they could throw the end game results out there as some justification.  

[Covepointcruiser]

If we don’t see an increase in cases after last weeks protests/riots, can’t see why they can’t begin sailing.    

[Saint Greg]

58 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

Not that I agree with this but I can easily see the CDC saying you can’t compare cruise ships with their limited space to theme parks. 

 

The CDC needs to visit Disney World. They can really pack them in. Magic Kingdom averages 56k/day. 100k max. More space but more people and more lines. Lines not comparable to anything I've seen on a cruise ship outside of my hour and a half guy burger wait during the panorama covid19 scare.

[PhillyFan33579]

30 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Cruise lines can change all home ports to outside the US and nullify the CDC power grab

How many people do you think would be willing to fly to foreign ports to cruise on Carnival ships? I don’t know the answer but I imagine it would be significantly lower than the number of passengers who cruise on Carnival from US ports. 

[PhillyFan33579]

4 minutes ago, Saint Greg said:

 

The CDC needs to visit Disney World. They can really pack them in. Magic Kingdom averages 56k/day. 100k max. More space but more people and more lines. Lines not comparable to anything I've seen on a cruise ship outside of my hour and a half guy burger wait during the panorama covid19 scare.

Agree but I don’t think any park including the Magic Kingdom will be anything like it used to be prior to COVID-19, at least for the foreseeable future. We plan to drive over there some time next month (based on how their reservation system works) to see what it is like, not to mention getting some use out of our annual passes. 

[Elaine5715]

9 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

How many people do you think would be willing to fly to foreign ports to cruise on Carnival ships? I don’t know the answer but I imagine it would be significantly lower than the number of passengers who cruise on Carnival from US ports. 

I don't know but if the CDC continues to be unreasonable, then the cruise lines will have little choice.  

[Moviela]

44 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Cruise lines can change all home ports to outside the US and nullify the CDC power grab

Oh yeah, I can see 5,000 arriving in Ensenada to embark. 

 

[TNcruising02]

Amusement parks seem like they would have the highest likelihood of any place to spread the disease.  There are lines for every ride and for most food areas.  Person after person gets on ride after ride.  Unless they are sanitizing every single ride after every single person gets off of it, then nothing is ever sanitary.  Kids, in general, put their hands all over the place.  I'm glad amusement parks are opening, but cruise ships are nothing compared to amusement parks.  The big difference is that people come and go at amusement parks, so there is no count of how many people are affected.

Hopefully, as long as cruise ships have a way to screen passengers before boarding and deal with any passengers who show severe symptoms while on board, they can start sailing again.  When I cruised in March, the ship was constantly being cleaned and everyone was talking about hand sanitizing.  That was probably the cleanest place I was at during my entire vacation.

Edited June 11, 2020 by TNcruising02

[chengkp75]

What people don't understand is that the CDC has no jurisdiction over Disney World.  The CDC's jurisdiction is to prevent introduction of infectious diseases from outside the US, or between states.  They can only give guidance to state and local health agencies about the requirements for opening a locality like Disney World.

[Moviela]

1 hour ago, boatseller said:

Disneyland is opening July 17.  The CDC is running out of excuses.

 

They have asked to open on that date. Permission is still necessary from various authorities. I hope they do open, folks are ready to get out of the house. 

 

CDC restrictions seem draconium but they are a mixture of conservative science and (impolite word redacted) politics. I have been to casino, mall, & restaurant openings and quite frankly find the new conditions to be paying lip service to the science. I wear a mask, maintain social distance, and use hand sanitizer, but I seem to be in a small minority of people doing so. I am so concerned about the need to keep surfaces clean and the failure of businesses to properly do it. 

 

I am still confident that my Halloween cruise will set sail. I have missed two cruises already. At this point I am ready to take my inflatable on a harbor cruise just to get back on the water!

[ninjacat123]

13 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

What people don't understand is that the CDC has no jurisdiction over Disney World.  The CDC's jurisdiction is to prevent introduction of infectious diseases from outside the US, or between states.  They can only give guidance to state and local health agencies about the requirements for opening a locality like Disney World.

When you say "guidance" does that mean the CDC is recommending certain stipulations or ordering certain stipulations?  As in for the cruise ships. Thanks!

Edited June 11, 2020 by ninjacat123

[Organized Chaos]

5 hours ago, ObstructedView2 said:

Also as of today June 11th, 2020

 

Although Carnival Cruise Line announced last month that they’d begin sailing on a limited number of ships starting August 1, the company now says that was a mistake.

 

Arnold Donald already clarified this in an interview. They realized that when they made the Aug. 1 announcement, people thought that was going to be a definite return to cruising, but he wanted clarify that Aug. 1 still isn't set in stone. It could still change, but it was a starting point.

 

What caught my attention most was that he said when they made that announcement, August bookings alone went through the roof. It's obvious people are ready to return to cruising.

[Organized Chaos]

4 hours ago, beerman2 said:

To play devil's advocate , what the CDC is doing very well might not be playing fair. However are the cruise lines playing fair still taking money from pax and not giving cash refunds back? Taking 90 days or longer.

 

In defense of their 90-day refund plan, they had to deal with thousands & thousands of refunds to process. All while working with reduced staff and staff working from home because of the lockdowns. That was a huge task, and still is. I remember someone posting on here that their cruise on another line had gotten cancelled and their refund was scheduled to take much longer than 90 days, so Carnival isn't the only line dealing with refund delays.

[Organized Chaos]

1 hour ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

Not that I agree with this but I can easily see the CDC saying you can’t compare cruise ships with their limited space to theme parks. 

 

I agree that's probably the excuse the CDC would try to use, but is there much difference between a huge cluster of people in a theme park than on a cruise ship? Yeah, a cruise ship is smaller, but when there's dozens upon dozens of people in close proximity to one another, I don't think that matters.

[coevan]

2 hours ago, shof515 said:

Vegas been open for about a week. If Vegas can successfully reopen, so can a casino at sea like the cruise ships

 

 

What makes you think this experiment will be successful, time will tell

[jimbo5544]

3 minutes ago, coevan said:

 

 

What makes you think this experiment will be successful, time will tell

Me thinks your view made you miss the point.  They ARE successfully open.  Your point is whether it was the correct decision.  For the record, the country will not close down again, so you better keep that time will tell well tuned.  We actually all want the same thing, (for cruising to get back to some level of normality, as soon as possible), at least I hope so.

[Organized Chaos]

1 hour ago, Saint Greg said:

The CDC needs to visit Disney World. They can really pack them in. Magic Kingdom averages 56k/day. 100k max. More space but more people and more lines. Lines not comparable to anything I've seen on a cruise ship outside of my hour and a half guy burger wait during the panorama covid19 scare.

 

Did it get hectic aboard the Panorama? We were on the Horizon March 7-15 and I never heard anyone talk about it out in the open, except for a handful of us who would crack jokes on occasion. Nor did I see any signs of fear at all. Around day 5 or 6 is when we started getting word that things back home were going crazy, but people kept on having a good time like it was any ole normal cruise.

[Saint Greg]

18 minutes ago, Organized Chaos said:

 

Did it get hectic aboard the Panorama? We were on the Horizon March 7-15 and I never heard anyone talk about it out in the open, except for a handful of us who would crack jokes on occasion. Nor did I see any signs of fear at all. Around day 5 or 6 is when we started getting word that things back home were going crazy, but people kept on having a good time like it was any ole normal cruise.

 

Not until they announced we had a possible covid case onboard and kept us an extra day. After that it was like this: 

https://saintgregtravel.com/panorama-coronavirus-day/

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Saint Greg

[Illbcruzn4life]

 
They have asked to open on that date. Permission is still necessary from various authorities. I hope they do open, folks are ready to get out of the house. 
 
CDC restrictions seem draconium but they are a mixture of conservative science and (impolite word redacted) politics. I have been to casino, mall, & restaurant openings and quite frankly find the new conditions to be paying lip service to the science. I wear a mask, maintain social distance, and use hand sanitizer, but I seem to be in a small minority of people doing so. I am so concerned about the need to keep surfaces clean and the failure of businesses to properly do it. 
 
I am still confident that my Halloween cruise will set sail. I have missed two cruises already. At this point I am ready to take my inflatable on a harbor cruise just to get back on the water!

Sounds like heaven to me. Going to the mall, going out to dinner, casino .

But none of that is open yet here. Heck I would just love to get a haircut.



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[beerman2]

1 hour ago, Organized Chaos said:

 

In defense of their 90-day refund plan, they had to deal with thousands & thousands of refunds to process. All while working with reduced staff and staff working from home because of the lockdowns. That was a huge task, and still is. I remember someone posting on here that their cruise on another line had gotten cancelled and their refund was scheduled to take much longer than 90 days, so Carnival isn't the only line dealing with refund delays.

Where did I specifically say Carnival, it was cruise lines in general. Before the layoffs could they ( cruise lines) have shifted workers  to  process the credits in a more timely manner?  

 

Reading these boards the majority of pax  think the cruise lines could do better. 

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, ninjacat123 said:

When you say "guidance" does that mean the CDC is recommending certain stipulations or ordering certain stipulations?  As in for the cruise ships. Thanks!

For Disney World, the CDC can only recommend.  For a cruise ship, because the passengers leave and re-enter the US, then their requirements become mandatory.  I.e., the CDC has jurisdiction over cruise ships and all ships entering the US, as well as interstate transportation, like airlines, long distance buses, intercontinental trains, etc.

[BlerkOne]

2 hours ago, Moviela said:

Oh yeah, I can see 5,000 arriving in Ensenada to embark. 

 

 

Carnival has departed from Ensenada before, busing passengers from the US. However, those were cruises to Hawaii, which would be a problem.

[bury me at sea]

19 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

For Disney World, the CDC can only recommend.  For a cruise ship, because the passengers leave and re-enter the US, then their requirements become mandatory.  I.e., the CDC has jurisdiction over cruise ships and all ships entering the US, as well as interstate transportation, like airlines, long distance buses, intercontinental trains, etc.

 

As always, thank you for your succinct and direct answer.

[DANCING GRANDMOMMY]

4 hours ago, boatseller said:

Disneyland is opening July 17.  The CDC is running out of excuses.

I thought they were closed for the year. But then I stay away from a lot of the news. Keeps me from waking up with a panic attack and needing to pray myself through them. 

 

[Elaine5715]

3 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

What people don't understand is that the CDC has no jurisdiction over Disney World.  The CDC's jurisdiction is to prevent introduction of infectious diseases from outside the US, or between states.  They can only give guidance to state and local health agencies about the requirements for opening a locality like Disney World.

Didn't know that