Carnival Corp to retire 6 ships in next 90 days

[Purvis1231]

1 minute ago, simplelife said:

I personally love the smaller ports and smaller ships. As the article says, there is still high demand for the smaller ships.

 

I think Carnival is testing the waters to see if there is any interest in anyone buying their ships. I imagine if someone offered them good money for any of their ships they would take it this point but I am afraid the cruise ship market is overbuilt and there is not any market for ships so some ships will have to be docked. Carnival will have to decide which ships will bring in the most money for the least coat. It maybe some of the Fantasy class ships can still produce a good income for less cost. Personally, I have sailed on the Fantasy many times and really enjoy it. So I hope Carnival does keep some of them at the smaller home ports. 

[beshears]

Kona wahine, I agree with you about the itinerary and the ports.  I have never (I have cruised for over 25 years) been on a cruise where there were 6 ports, and 1 sea day.  I do like the ship, but the main reason I wanted to do this itinerary was to take my 3 sons/3 d-i-l's to St. Lucia, where I fell in love with this port!

[soapbxking]

hate to throw some common sense in this one, BUT....certain ports can only house the Fantasy size ships..  if Carnival sells those then it would mean that the contracts with those ports would be cancelled, which cant/isnt gonna transpire soon.  If those ports such as Mobile are to be used then the ship housed there wont go.

[jimbo5544]

36 minutes ago, soapbxking said:

hate to throw some common sense in this one, BUT....certain ports can only house the Fantasy size ships..  if Carnival sells those then it would mean that the contracts with those ports would be cancelled, which cant/isnt gonna transpire soon.  If those ports such as Mobile are to be used then the ship housed there wont go.

This is true, but they could easily sell 4 without even thinking about it.  Look at the current home  ports (that are not affected by bridges to get an idea.  

[jimbo5544]

On 7/1/2020 at 1:26 PM, beshears said:

Kona wahine, I agree with you about the itinerary and the ports.  I have never (I have cruised for over 25 years) been on a cruise where there were 6 ports, and 1 sea day.  I do like the ship, but the main reason I wanted to do this itinerary was to take my 3 sons/3 d-i-l's to St. Lucia, where I fell in love with this port!

I have been on several with only one sea day (greater than 4 day cruises). I get the point about the itinerary being king, that said, we love coming back, showering and changing and enjoying a glass of something on our balcony.  To give another thought, we have been on many Caribbean cruises where we stay on the ship (we have been to Cozumel 13 times on a cruise ship)   
 

[soapbxking]

4 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

This is true, but they could easily sell 4 without even thinking about it.  Look at the current home  ports (that are not affected by bridges to get an idea.  

That is true Jimbo :-)  but they wont.  those ships still sail full.  I see 2 tops going at this time.

[jimbo5544]

2 hours ago, soapbxking said:

That is true Jimbo 🙂 but they wont.  those ships still sail full.  I see 2 tops going at this time.

sounds about right to me.

 

[mbglib]

4 hours ago, soapbxking said:

That is true Jimbo 🙂 but they wont.  those ships still sail full.  I see 2 tops going at this time.

What are 2 tops? Thanks.

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6 minutes ago, mbglib said:

What are 2 tops? Thanks.

Technically, tables for two.

[mbglib]

1 minute ago, xDisconnections said:

Technically, tables for two.

Oh, duh, I thought they were referencing some type of ship that they saw "going" as in being sold.  Misunderstood that one!

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17 minutes ago, mbglib said:

Oh, duh, I thought they were referencing some type of ship that they saw "going" as in being sold.  Misunderstood that one!

I think the previous poster meant it as ‘two at the most.’

 

Pretty much the entire Carnival Cruise Line fleet is up for sale at this point but it doesn’t mean anyone will buy. They’ve been trying to get rid of the Carnival Fantasy for years.

[BlerkOne]

Per Christine Duffy, the 6 ships were across all the Carnival brands, not just Carnival cruise lines. We already know 1 is gone from a different brand.

[jimbo5544]

Looks like the Pullmanter (Royal)  3 ships are heading to the scrapyard 

 

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23180-pullmantur-fleet-will-likely-be-scrapped.html

[BlerkOne]

Sun Princess is for sale if anyone is interested.

[drsel]

Sun Princess is for sale if anyone is interested.

What about Sea Princess

[BlerkOne]

2 minutes ago, drsel said:

4 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Sun Princess is for sale if anyone is interested.

What about Sea Princess

 

No idea. I saw Sun Princess mentioned on a book face page.

[so,ton saint]

First one to go from UK fleet P&O Oceana sold on to a Greek company  you might see her with Celestyal cruises just a guess.

[EscapeFromConnecticut]

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Many-older-cruise-ships-may-not-survive-the-pandemic


Peter Shaerf, managing director of AMA Capital Partners, an investment banking firm focused on the maritime sector:

       “I think you’ll see 30 ships scrapped over the next year, year and a half. And that won’t make a dent. There are these old ships that, as business slowly comes back, are just not going to be the vehicle of choice.”

 

[quattrohead]

I see Peter Knego agrees with me on ships likely to be scrapped as quoted from - https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Many-older-cruise-ships-may-not-survive-the-pandemic

He mentions Costa NeoRomantica (1993), HAL Maasdam (1993) and Veendam (1996), Princess Cruises’ Sea Princess (1998) and Fantasy class as being in danger.

I am still 100% convinced Victory/Radiance is not going to make it.

 

[BlerkOne]

4 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

Peter Shaerf, managing director of AMA Capital Partners, an investment banking firm focused on the maritime sector:

       “I think you’ll see 30 ships scrapped over the next year, year and a half. And that won’t make a dent. There are these old ships that, as business slowly comes back, are just not going to be the vehicle of choice.”

 

 

That's across the cruise industry, not just Carnival Corp. Pullmantur is gone and likely some other smaller lines will go bankrupt.

[jimbo5544]

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23193-p-o-cruises-has-sold-the-oceana.html

[K&RCurt]

I believe that is No 2 of 6.

 

4 more to go.  

[K&RCurt]

P&O Oceana sold.

 

I think that leaves 4 to go.  I still think Excasty and Fascination plus HAL Masdam & a Princess Ship will round off the list of ships to go.

[john91498]

8 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Many-older-cruise-ships-may-not-survive-the-pandemic


Peter Shaerf, managing director of AMA Capital Partners, an investment banking firm focused on the maritime sector:

       “I think you’ll see 30 ships scrapped over the next year, year and a half. And that won’t make a dent. There are these old ships that, as business slowly comes back, are just not going to be the vehicle of choice.”

 

 

Wow, 30 ships won't make a dent...

[KmomChicago]

16 hours ago, EscapeFromConnecticut said:

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/Many-older-cruise-ships-may-not-survive-the-pandemic


Peter Shaerf, managing director of AMA Capital Partners, an investment banking firm focused on the maritime sector:

       “I think you’ll see 30 ships scrapped over the next year, year and a half. And that won’t make a dent. There are these old ships that, as business slowly comes back, are just not going to be the vehicle of choice.”

 

This is a good way to put it. Obviously every ship has its die hard fans but not enough to fill so many outdated ships, consistently, sailing after sailing.