The Crew Getting Vaccinated

[LGW59]

13 minutes ago, miched said:

Wouldn’t allowing cruise lines to purchase vaccines be the equivalent of  the rich or any group being able to buy their way ahead of everyone else?   
 

i don’t think many in the USA cruise or think it is that essential to give the cruise industry any priority or allow them to buy up vaccines that many are waiting their  turn for.  
 

If the cruise lines were allowed to do it then why can’t many others that what to get it before their place in the schedule? 
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅
 

 

100% agree!!!

[Ex-Airbalancer]

Kind of crazy 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/snowbirds-in-u-s-in-line-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-before-most-canadians-1.5244874

[PTC DAWG]

42 minutes ago, miched said:

Wouldn’t allowing cruise lines to purchase vaccines be the equivalent of  the rich or any group being able to buy their way ahead of everyone else?   
 

i don’t think many in the USA cruise or think it is that essential to give the cruise industry any priority or allow them to buy up vaccines that many are waiting their  turn for.  
 

If the cruise lines were allowed to do it then why can’t many others that what to get it before their place in the schedule? 
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅
 

 

IF you made your living working in the industry, it is very important..everyone’s priority is different..

[miched]

This is even crazier.  Borders are closed to non essential traffic but Canadians are allowed to fly in for leisure.  I live near a Canadian border and am not able to drive into that country.  Those living in Canada can’t drive here unless it is essential such as health care worker, trucking and etc

 

Their are a few that have 2nd homes in Canada for recreation and can’t go to them.   Those houses are now like deserted homes that are subjected to the elements because they can’t get there to maintain them.   A

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-u-s-border-closure-fly-travel-covid-19-1.5754763

 

Fly in to FL for leisure and get vaccinated.  

 

Happy cruising🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅

 

 

 

[ChucktownSteve]

2 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

I'm not going to wade through Google to try to find proof, but I also have read multiple times as well as heard on television that in some areas a very large amount of health care workers are not planning to vaccinate, at least at this time.  The numbers I've read/heard range from 40% to 60%.  That completely and totally boggles my mind!  I can understand if perhaps they have had the virus already in the past several months so want to wait for others, but I kinda doubt that is the actual reason.

 

We all know how accurate the media are!  Having been a former journalist several decades ago, I've come to see the changes of credibility over the years.  I place them below politicians and we all know how low they are.

[C-Dragons]

2 hours ago, ORV said:

 

I wish someone would post a link to a news story about this. I watch morning news, noon news, and evening news almost everyday, and have missed this story. Perhaps we're getting our information from different sources. 

I heard it on the news also.

[miched]

13 minutes ago, PTC DAWG said:

IF you made your living working in the industry, it is very important..everyone’s priority is different..

It may be their priority but no group should be able to purchase vaccines to jump ahead 

 

Is the cruise industry more important than restaurant, casino, bars and other entertainment workers?   
 

The reason for government priorities is to establish a means for those that are at the highest risk to get it first.   When people are allowed to buy their place  it is a corrupt and criminal.   Look at those rich that bought the entrance for their children into the prestigious universities.  
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅 

[ChucktownSteve]

14 minutes ago, C-Dragons said:

I heard it on the news also.

 

One of the problems with the media nowadays is that one person writes a story and the rest just copy cat the info so they're not scooped.

Edited January 3, 2021 by ChucktownSteve

[Turtles06]

43 minutes ago, Airbalancer said:

Kind of crazy 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/snowbirds-in-u-s-in-line-to-receive-covid-19-vaccine-before-most-canadians-1.5244874

 

Also crazy is that because a few states, including Florida, have rejected the CDC's guidelines to limit the next group group to people 75+ and are instead opening things up to people 65 and over, it seems likely that plenty of "snowbirds" will be getting the vaccine in the U.S. before many Americans do.  And also, in those states, they'll be edging out the truly elderly, e.g. folks in their 80s and 90s, which a lot of Americans 65-74 will be doing in those states as well, given the limited amount of vaccine currently available. 

[Ex-Airbalancer]

18 minutes ago, ChucktownSteve said:

 

We all know how accurate the media are!  Having been a former journalist several decades ago, I've come to see the changes of credibility over the years.  I place them below politicians and we all know how low they are.

That maybe what of what you think of the media 

you should leave you political views out of CC 

[LGW59]

1 minute ago, Airbalancer said:

That maybe what of what you think of the media 

you should leave you political views out of CC 

Where did he espouse any political view?  Was it typed in invisible keystrokes??

[Cruise Raider]

3 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

I'm not going to wade through Google to try to find proof, but I also have read multiple times as well as heard on television that in some areas a very large amount of health care workers are not planning to vaccinate, at least at this time.  The numbers I've read/heard range from 40% to 60%.  That completely and totally boggles my mind!  I can understand if perhaps they have had the virus already in the past several months so want to wait for others, but I kinda doubt that is the actual reason.

 

Just from my personal experience, with having many family and friends working in the healthcare field, I see that same percentage is applicable of those that don't want the vaccine .. and many of them are not anti-vaxers.  Many just prefer more data than what is currently in place on the long term effects of the current vaccines and some are awaiting the approval of the AstraZeneca and other pharmaceutical corporation(s) to come out with their vaccine which uses the older technology, not the mRNA vaccine, which incidentally, currently requires two doses.  I am not baffled at all by this decision but taking note of how many highly educated health professionals I know, ones that have no skin in the game, have decided to wait.  

[Margarita Jane]

3 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

I am glad for you that you got your vaccine - based on what I have read on the news about Florida you were very lucky indeed.  I wish our state would prioritize those 65 and older as well, but we are following CDC recommendations which puts us in the third phase😔 (as we are not 75+).. 

 

But doesn't it concern you that residency is not required?  I believe states get allocated vaccines based on population.  I am presuming the snow birds do not get counted as population?  If that is true, then there is a huge disparity.  The northern states where they live will have a surplus, and the actual residents of Florida will have to wait even longer.  Doesn't seem fair to me, unless my assumptions are incorrect.

@phoenix_dreamI think there is a love-hate relationship with snowbirds in Florida and probably other southern states as well ( have you heard the song “If It’s Snowbird Season, Why Can’t We Shoot Them” by Brent Burns?). But, this is how I feel....Snowbirds are going to the same stores, the same churches, the same restaurants, the same beaches, etc. that I go to. Therefore to prevent community spread, let’s vaccinate everyone we can, and everyone that wants a vaccine. If a snowbird gets seriously ill from COVID-19, they are taking up a bed in our local hospital. So, while I kinda freaked out when I first heard it, I decided it makes sense to vaccinate everybody that is spending time in my ‘hood 😁.
 

 

[Ride-The-Waves]

10 minutes ago, Margarita Jane said:

@phoenix_dreamI think there is a love-hate relationship with snowbirds in Florida and probably other southern states as well ( have you heard the song “If It’s Snowbird Season, Why Can’t We Shoot Them” by Brent Burns?). But, this is how I feel....Snowbirds are going to the same stores, the same churches, the same restaurants, the same beaches, etc. that I go to. Therefore to prevent community spread, let’s vaccinate everyone we can, and everyone that wants a vaccine. If a snowbird gets seriously ill from COVID-19, they are taking up a bed in our local hospital. So, while I kinda freaked out when I first heard it, I decided it makes sense to vaccinate everybody that is spending time in my ‘hood 😁.
 

 

The real bottom line is "Why are they here during the pandemic to start with."  Everybody with any sense is saying stay home and don't travel.  Traveling to Florida is dangerous to everyone to icnclude those enroute and those in the snowbird location.  Flaunting CDC guidance isn't good for anyone.  Stay home!  Use PPE. Think before leaping.  Vaccines are allocated based on state populations.  State are reallocating based on county populations.  A snowbird is taking up a resident's dosage in Florida and leaving their allocated dosage on the table back home.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Ride-The-Waves

[Ex-Airbalancer]

14 minutes ago, Ride-The-Waves said:

The real bottom line is "Why are they here during the pandemic to start with."  Everybody with any sense is saying stay home and don't travel.  Traveling to Florida is dangerous to everyone to icnclude those enroute and those in the snowbird location.  Flaunting CDC guidance isn't good for anyone.  Stay home!  Use PPE. Think before leaping.  Vaccines are allocated based on state populations.  State are reallocating based on county populations.  A snowbird is taking up a resident's dosage in Florida and leaving their allocated dosage on the table back home.

I never understood why the Snowbirds were allowed to fly to the USA , if they are not allowed to drive across the Border , they shouldn’t be allowed to fly there 

99.5% of the people in Ontario think they should just stay home ! 
 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Airbalancer

[LGW59]

11 minutes ago, Airbalancer said:

I never understood why the Snowbirds were allowed to fly to the USA , if they are not allowed to drive across the Border , they shouldn’t be allowed to fly there 

99.5% of the people in Ontario think they should just stay home ! 
 

Exactly and I would not go to Canada (or any other country) and take their vaccine from one of their citizens, would be mighty mighty selfish if I did.  IMO, please just stay home until we get this sorted out.

[Fouremco]

1 hour ago, Ride-The-Waves said:

The real bottom line is "Why are they here during the pandemic to start with."  Everybody with any sense is saying stay home and don't travel.  Traveling to Florida is dangerous to everyone to icnclude those enroute and those in the snowbird location.  Flaunting CDC guidance isn't good for anyone.  Stay home!  Use PPE. Think before leaping.  Vaccines are allocated based on state populations.  State are reallocating based on county populations.  A snowbird is taking up a resident's dosage in Florida and leaving their allocated dosage on the table back home.

I can't speak for all snowbirds, nor am I in any way defending their actions, but I can shed light on why some choose to head to Florida during the pandemic. Friends and neighbours of ours own homes in both Florida and Canada. Since returning here in April of last year - and self-quarantining for 14 days upon arrival - they have been model citizens, following all of the rules. Originally they were going to remain here this winter, but subsequently asked themselves, if they were going to follow all the best practices (masks, hand washing, social distancing, minimal human interaction, etc.), why not do so in Florida, where their daily walk wouldn't necessitate multiple layers of clothings and slip-sliding on the snow. Something as mundane as a backyard BBQ or lunch on the patio is so much more pleasant if you aren't surrounded by piles of snow.

 

US and Canadian regulations allow for this travel. Whether it should or not is another question, of course, but in the case of our friends, because of their consistent steps to mitigate the danger posed by the virus, the threat to or from them is essentially the same, no matter which of their homes they live in.

 

As for the vaccinations, they headed south before anyone was receiving them. I might point out too that in most of Florida's counties, Canadian snowbirds are not eligible, so there is little chance that our friends will be receiving the vaccine during their sojourn. 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Fouremco

[UnorigionalName]

I assume the employees in the cruise lines will be able to get it from either their country of citizenship, or the flag country of the cruise lines, whichever they are able to get it from first.

 

With the entire first world fighting over the mRNA vaccines, which seem to have higher efficacy, it seems likely it will have to be one of the other types.

[cruisequeen4ever]

It’s a very important point to consider because I believe cruise lines require their crew to get vaccinations in general. Also, cruise lines certainly could not require their pax to be vaccinated if their crew weren’t!!

[Baron Barracuda]

4 hours ago, miched said:

Wouldn’t allowing cruise lines to purchase vaccines be the equivalent of  the rich or any group being able to buy their way ahead of everyone else?   
 

i don’t think many in the USA cruise or think it is that essential to give the cruise industry any priority or allow them to buy up vaccines that many are waiting their  turn for.  
 

If the cruise lines were allowed to do it then why can’t many others that what to get it before their place in the schedule? 
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅
 

 

There is little to no chance of line jumping.  The entire 1q and 2q vaccine production from Moderna, Pfizer, etc has been pre-purchased by nations for distribution to their citizens.  US recently negotiated to purchase an additional 100 million doses from Pfizer but was unable to receive guaranteed 2q delivery.  If additional supply from J&J and others creates a surplus later this year perhaps vaccine manufacturers will entertain orders  from corporations but there will be a long line of nation states and philanthropies in front of them.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Baron Barracuda

[sjb317]

6 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

I am glad for you that you got your vaccine - based on what I have read on the news about Florida you were very lucky indeed.  I wish our state would prioritize those 65 and older as well, but we are following CDC recommendations which puts us in the third phase😔 (as we are not 75+).. 

 

But doesn't it concern you that residency is not required?  I believe states get allocated vaccines based on population.  I am presuming the snow birds do not get counted as population?  If that is true, then there is a huge disparity.  The northern states where they live will have a surplus, and the actual residents of Florida will have to wait even longer.  Doesn't seem fair to me, unless my assumptions are incorrect.

I am happy it was so easy for Margarita Jane but our experience so far has paralleled Ride the Wave’s.  Could not get through for an appointment, system crashed, then county announced appointments were all full, no longer taking any.  Our county health department said they were “surprised” by the response.  Seriously?

 

Sherri🙂

[RickT]

21 hours ago, middlehaitch said:

COVAX is a consortium of 190+ '1st world' countries (the USA isn't participating as far as I know) who are working with WHO to help fund and provide vaccines to '2nd' and '3rd' world countries.

I would think this, and maybe private purchases of vaccines through the cruise lines, if allowed, will be how the cruise staff will be vaccinated.

JMO

 

Cheers, h

 

Canada is part of Covax and has committed to providing excess vaccine to 3rd world countries.  I can’t speak to other countries that are part of Covax but Canada expects to have everyone vaccinated by June-September and has indicated they won’t send our vaccine anywhere until Canadians are taken care of.  Assuming other countries are the same it could take a while.

[miched]

50 minutes ago, cruisequeen4ever said:

It’s a very important point to consider because I believe cruise lines require their crew to get vaccinations in general. Also, cruise lines certainly could not require their pax to be vaccinated if their crew weren’t!!

 

51 minutes ago, cruisequeen4ever said:

It’s a very important point to consider because I believe cruise lines require their crew to get vaccinations in general. Also, cruise lines certainly could not require their pax to be vaccinated if their crew weren’t!!

That is basically the main point of starting  this thread.

 

The crew needs to get vaccinated.   They would be at the bottom of the list in the USA if they could get it here.   I doubt that it is readily  available in their country.   
 

I doubt that any country would consider them essential and place them ahead of others just to be able to serve passengers on a cruise ship.    The cruise industry is big but not that big.   In the big picture very few people take cruises or ever been on a cruise.  
 

I would think more people visit Vegas, Disney World and other entertainment areas than those cruising on a daily basis.  
 

It may be a long time before cruises are sailing again 
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅

[cl.klink]

7 hours ago, phoenix_dream said:

I'm not going to wade through Google to try to find proof, but I also have read multiple times as well as heard on television that in some areas a very large amount of health care workers are not planning to vaccinate, at least at this time.  The numbers I've read/heard range from 40% to 60%.  That completely and totally boggles my mind!  I can understand if perhaps they have had the virus already in the past several months so want to wait for others, but I kinda doubt that is the actual reason.

 

Not based on my direct experience

 

- Joel

[TeeRick]

4 hours ago, Cruise Raider said:

 

Just from my personal experience, with having many family and friends working in the healthcare field, I see that same percentage is applicable of those that don't want the vaccine .. and many of them are not anti-vaxers.  Many just prefer more data than what is currently in place on the long term effects of the current vaccines and some are awaiting the approval of the AstraZeneca and other pharmaceutical corporation(s) to come out with their vaccine which uses the older technology, not the mRNA vaccine, which incidentally, currently requires two doses.  I am not baffled at all by this decision but taking note of how many highly educated health professionals I know, ones that have no skin in the game, have decided to wait.  

OK so they can wait.  But can the rest of us take their place?