Rare S.A.M.J.R. Posted October 21, 2023 #126 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 hours ago, FamilyCruiserUK said: But tip who and when as you feel, its up to you. But should never be accepted. Did you mean, "should never be EXPECTED"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted October 21, 2023 #127 Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) On 10/19/2023 at 2:58 AM, sailor05 said: $1 a bag has been the norm for years. Not bad since a lot of times they're taking them 10 ft and putting them on cart. Exactly. And "for years" means that it does not meet today's (years later) requirements. $1 a bag was a rate from 20 years ago. Inflation. Edited October 21, 2023 by BirdTravels 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted October 21, 2023 #128 Share Posted October 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, BirdTravels said: Exactly. And "for years" means that it does not meet today's (years later) requirements. $1 a bag was a rate from 20 years ago. Inflation. Salaries have increased as well; no need for a tip 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailor05 Posted October 21, 2023 #129 Share Posted October 21, 2023 8 hours ago, BirdTravels said: Exactly. And "for years" means that it does not meet today's (years later) requirements. $1 a bag was a rate from 20 years ago. Inflation. 20 years ago the porters would take your bags from the curb to the ship with smaller carts. Now they load them on large carts and those carts are taken to the ship by someone else. $1 is PLENTY for simply loading them on the cart. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ReneeFLL Posted October 21, 2023 #130 Share Posted October 21, 2023 4 hours ago, BirdTravels said: Exactly. And "for years" means that it does not meet today's (years later) requirements. $1 a bag was a rate from 20 years ago. Inflation. 🤣🤣🤣 Inflation for a non tipping job? Even when we did still tip, it was a $1.00 a bag. We quit tipping them maybe 3 years ago. It was a little hard to get DH on board with the non tipping the porters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogimax Posted October 21, 2023 #131 Share Posted October 21, 2023 52 minutes ago, ReneeFLL said: 🤣🤣🤣 Inflation for a non tipping job? Even when we did still tip, it was a $1.00 a bag. We quit tipping them maybe 3 years ago. It was a little hard to get DH on board with the non tipping the porters. Amazed at how folks are so concerned about saving a buck or two for a tip when cruise prices have increased by hundreds, or even thousands, of dollars 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted October 22, 2023 #132 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 hours ago, ReneeFLL said: 🤣🤣🤣 Inflation for a non tipping job? Even when we did still tip, it was a $1.00 a bag. We quit tipping them maybe 3 years ago. It was a little hard to get DH on board with the non tipping the porters. I understand your husband. What's a couple books to someone who takes your bags? Have you seen some the luggage these people take on cruise? It looks like they are moving onto the ship! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted October 22, 2023 #133 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 10/20/2023 at 6:23 PM, ReneeFLL said: Do you really think the porters work for that pay? Every porter I have seen in Florida is, shall we say elderly. They are because of seniority and it's a cushy job with great pay and benefits. How many people do you know who when growing up had the burning desire to be a Porter? I see it as a necessity .People who are not able to get desirable jobs will take a job as a Porter,IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morecruisesplz Posted October 22, 2023 #134 Share Posted October 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: How many people do you know who when growing up had the burning desire to be a Porter? I see it as a necessity .People who are not able to get desirable jobs will take a job as a Porter,IMHO. Me. But I ended up being an Arby's manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahirsh Posted October 22, 2023 #135 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: How many people do you know who when growing up had the burning desire to be a Porter? I see it as a necessity .People who are not able to get desirable jobs will take a job as a Porter,IMHO. how many people did you know growing up who wanted to be an accountant? Do you tip them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted October 22, 2023 #136 Share Posted October 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, dahirsh said: how many people did you know growing up who wanted to be an accountant? Do you tip them? I was posting to Renee because her husband has a job in which some are tipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted October 22, 2023 #137 Share Posted October 22, 2023 21 minutes ago, dahirsh said: how many people did you know growing up who wanted to be an accountant? Do you tip them? When I was in college 60 years ago many people aspired to be Accountants.If you Google is it acceptable to tip your Accountant you will find that the answer is Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbear232 Posted October 22, 2023 #138 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 7:48 PM, Lakelife4me said: Define "living wage" Minimum income necessary to meet basic needs and attain basic standard of living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbear232 Posted October 22, 2023 #139 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 1:36 PM, Tree_skier said: But it's not. There isn't a Longshoreman in North America making $25 an hour. That being said, I support people being paid what their labor is worth, which should dictated by a free market economy without interference from government. Apparently there are many longshoremen who do not even make $25/hr. There is no “free market”, some level of government always influences/regulates the economy. When the economy tanks big business is always there with hat in hand to be bailed out by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bead Pirate Posted October 22, 2023 #140 Share Posted October 22, 2023 6 big bags today on Symphony (Barcelona B2B), pulled up in transfer van, tipped the baggage professional 20 Euros. He passed our bags off to an associate took my wife and myself (in wheelchair) past the hundreds (thousands?) in line through a staff only area and directly into the security. We were scanned, photographed by RCI and on the ship in less than 5 minutes. Worth it to me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakelife4me Posted October 22, 2023 #141 Share Posted October 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Airbear232 said: Minimum income necessary to meet basic needs and attain basic standard of living. Needs and standards according to who? And I will be tipping 5 bucks a bag. Final answer on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted October 22, 2023 #142 Share Posted October 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Airbear232 said: Apparently there are many longshoremen who do not even make $25/hr. There is no “free market”, some level of government always influences/regulates the economy. When the economy tanks big business is always there with hat in hand to be bailed out by the government. You obviously have no concept of labor unions and collective bargaining 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted October 22, 2023 #143 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, not-enough-cruising said: You obviously have no concept of labor unions and collective bargaining If a longshoreman is making less than $25, it's not a union position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted October 22, 2023 #144 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: If a longshoreman is making less than $25, it's not a union position. I agree with you, there aren’t any making that low of a salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish65 Posted October 22, 2023 #145 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) Amazed that giving even ONE dollar is such a big deal to people! Edited October 22, 2023 by goldfish65 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbear232 Posted October 22, 2023 #146 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Lakelife4me said: Needs and standards according to who? And I will be tipping 5 bucks a bag. Final answer on that. Whatever you tip is your prerogative. Regarding living wage, it was meant to highlight the disparity between minimum wage and what is actually needed by a person to more than just make ends meet. No one earning minimum wage in NA can make ends meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbear232 Posted October 22, 2023 #147 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said: You obviously have no concept of labor unions and collective bargaining Oh economic savant, how ever did you come to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted October 22, 2023 #148 Share Posted October 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Airbear232 said: Whatever you tip is your prerogative. Regarding living wage, it was meant to highlight the disparity between minimum wage and what is actually needed by a person to more than just make ends meet. No one earning minimum wage in NA can make ends meet. Minimum wage was NEVER intended to be a living wage. Minimum wage is designed for part time student workers to make some pocket money. If one is working for minimum wage and trying to care for a family or live indeoendently, then one needs to get their crap together and do better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbear232 Posted October 22, 2023 #149 Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said: Minimum wage was NEVER intended to be a living wage. Minimum wage is designed for part time student workers to make some pocket money. If one is working for minimum wage and trying to care for a family or live indeoendently, then one needs to get their crap together and do better. According to who? Your definition doesn’t align with either how the government calculates unemployment or the realties of the workforce. It’s not 1950 anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted October 22, 2023 #150 Share Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Airbear232 said: According to who? Your definition doesn’t align with either how the government calculates unemployment or the realties of the workforce. It’s not 1950 anymore. Umm according to every economist in the capitalist world. Maybe they do things differently in Canada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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